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Is the Alt-Right inherently racist?

Postby Kaifunasia » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:33 am

Is the Alt-Right inherently racist?

Personally, I would say no; there are racists in the movement but there are plenty of libertarians and egalitarians in the movement too.

The one thing they have in common is their opposition to the political correctness, safe space, trigger warning culture that is being created by the regressive left, amongst other things.

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Postby Freefall11111 » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:37 am

Inherently? No.
Effectively? Yes.
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Postby Sociopia » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:39 am

Alt righter here. Yes. Obviously.
Alt right egalitarians? One of, if not the main pillar of reactionary thought is the rejection of egalitarianism.

Alt right does not just mean opposition to Cultural Marxism.
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Postby Otchitocha » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:42 am

No, but a large number of altrighters are.
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Postby West Eastonia » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:43 am

Yes.

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Postby Risottia » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:45 am

Kaifunasia wrote:Is the Alt-Right inherently racist?

Inherently, no.
The majority looks to be quite racist - either open racists or closet racists; one of the defining features of the alt-right is some sort of jingoism, and from jingoism to outright racism there's just a small (goose)step.
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:45 am

South Park Republicans do not = alt-right.

The alt-right is inherently racist.
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:48 am

Sociopia wrote:Cultural Marxism.

I love this term.
It's completely meaningless, yet every time it's used you can almost hear the mic drop
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:51 am

I believe not, however, I believe that the Alt-Right happens to be infested beyond the point of recovering as a movement.

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Postby Otchitocha » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:51 am

Alvecia wrote:
Sociopia wrote:Cultural Marxism.

I love this term.
It's completely meaningless, yet every time it's used you can almost hear the mic drop

Cultural Marxism does have a meaning, as cringy as a term it is.
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Postby Mattopilos » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:54 am

Otchitocha wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I love this term.
It's completely meaningless, yet every time it's used you can almost hear the mic drop

Cultural Marxism does have a meaning, as cringy as a term it is.


Looking it up, it is what we would call 'political correctness'.
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Postby Otchitocha » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:56 am

Mattopilos wrote:
Otchitocha wrote:Cultural Marxism does have a meaning, as cringy as a term it is.


Looking it up, it is what we would call 'political correctness'.

No, they're two different things.
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Postby Sociopia » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:56 am

Alvecia wrote:
Sociopia wrote:Cultural Marxism.

I love this term.
It's completely meaningless, yet every time it's used you can almost hear the mic drop
I can assure you it has a meaning. Words have meanings.
What term do you suggest I use instead? "The regressive left" and "SJWs" just sounds silly.
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Postby Mattopilos » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:00 am

Otchitocha wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:
Looking it up, it is what we would call 'political correctness'.

No, they're two different things.


Hmm, Seems you are right. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism
People use it the wrong way as some kind of slur.
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Postby Otchitocha » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:03 am

Mattopilos wrote:
Otchitocha wrote:No, they're two different things.


Hmm, Seems you are right. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism
People use it the wrong way as some kind of slur.

>rationalwiki
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Postby Sociopia » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:04 am

Mattopilos wrote:
Otchitocha wrote:Cultural Marxism does have a meaning, as cringy as a term it is.
Looking it up, it is what we would call 'political correctness'.
Cultural Marxism was coined as such because it is a view of relations between different groups and individuals based on race, gender, sexuality, etc. that resembles Marxism analysis of class relations.

Rigid political correctness is employed by Cultural Marxists, of course. But Cultural Marxism does not mean political correctness.
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Postby Mattopilos » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:09 am

Otchitocha wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:
Hmm, Seems you are right. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism
People use it the wrong way as some kind of slur.

>rationalwiki


http://web.archive.org/web/20040207095318/http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=53&printable=1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory
The wikipedia has plenty of sources for it as well. Seems to link a lot to some kind of conspiracy theory that the right have against those they claim to be leftists.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:10 am

Alvecia wrote:
Sociopia wrote:Cultural Marxism.

I love this term.
It's completely meaningless, yet every time it's used you can almost hear the mic drop


Cultural Marxism is in no way meaningless, it is describing the societal impact of Marxist schools of thought on the culture of the West, particularly it refers to the propagation of the idea that Historical and Economic Dialectics are a valid explanation for present social ills.

More simply, it's the growing sub-culture of people who believe that inherent privileges based on race, sex and socio-economic status separate the virtuous oppressed from the villainous oppressors. The oppression mythology and cult of victimhood we see in schools of thought from Radical Feminism to Black Lives Matter folk are all examples of cultural Marxism.

It's does not go without saying that some aspects of cultural marxism are based on reality, socio-economic disparity and racial discrimination do hurt people. It's just that they're use of dialectics to justify racism, bigotry and sexism because they are "the oppressed class" is bullshit.
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Postby Mattopilos » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:10 am

Sociopia wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:Looking it up, it is what we would call 'political correctness'.
Cultural Marxism was coined as such because it is a view of relations between different groups and individuals based on race, gender, sexuality, etc. that resembles Marxism analysis of class relations.

Rigid political correctness is employed by Cultural Marxists, of course. But Cultural Marxism does not mean political correctness.


Yeah, seems to be two uses of it. The one you are using (the correct one), and the conspiracy theory "all leftists are political correctness loving communists!" usage (the wrong one).
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Postby The Portland Territory » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:12 am

No, I aint racist
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Postby Otchitocha » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:14 am

The Portland Territory wrote:No, I aint racist

A vast majority of your movement is.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:14 am

Mattopilos wrote:
Sociopia wrote:Cultural Marxism was coined as such because it is a view of relations between different groups and individuals based on race, gender, sexuality, etc. that resembles Marxism analysis of class relations.

Rigid political correctness is employed by Cultural Marxists, of course. But Cultural Marxism does not mean political correctness.


Yeah, seems to be two uses of it. The one you are using (the correct one), and the conspiracy theory "all leftists are political correctness loving communists!" usage (the wrong one).


That's fair.

Though, that tends to be more to do with the fact that whenever a useful but complicated term is invented less knowledgeable people will use it incorrectly to argue about things.

See: All of political discourse ever.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:16 am

Otchitocha wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:No, I aint racist

A vast majority of your movement is.


Not alt-right myself, not most of the times (certainly I'm not pro-Trump anyways).

But on what basis do you judge that the vast majority of alt-righters are racist? Some certainly are, but many I have met have much more nuanced views.
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Postby Mattopilos » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:22 am

The Merchant Republics wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:
Yeah, seems to be two uses of it. The one you are using (the correct one), and the conspiracy theory "all leftists are political correctness loving communists!" usage (the wrong one).


That's fair.

Though, that tends to be more to do with the fact that whenever a useful but complicated term is invented less knowledgeable people will use it incorrectly to argue about things.

See: All of political discourse ever.


The Merchant Republics wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:
Yeah, seems to be two uses of it. The one you are using (the correct one), and the conspiracy theory "all leftists are political correctness loving communists!" usage (the wrong one).


That's fair.

Though, that tends to be more to do with the fact that whenever a useful but complicated term is invented less knowledgeable people will use it incorrectly to argue about things.

See: All of political discourse ever.


I mean, whenever people hear me call myself my political ideology (anarcho-communist), there are only two responses: the positive one ("I like the ideas behind communism" or "What is that?") or the McCarthyismneverreallydied answer ("Fucking commie!" or the likes). Political discourse is pretty much bending the term one defines themselves by against them. Sadly it works.
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Postby Philjia » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:27 am

No, it's deliberately racist.
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