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Why jihadism affected mostly France and Belgium?

Postby Kergstan » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:28 pm

If you are a right wing nationalist, you have already drawn your conclusions without even thinking about it.

But other than the bigger presence of muslim immigrants, what are in your opinion the social issues and conditions that implied this?

To me is it mostly the economic inequality in big cities and the existence of bailleurs (?) or neighbourhoods were people are divided along economic (=ethnical/religious) lines and coexistence and comprehension of the other is harder.

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Postby Neo Hungary » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:31 pm

Honestly, the question is why has it not affected the rest of Europe?

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Postby House of Judah » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:38 pm

France in particular has had a serious problem with Islamophobia exacerbating the problem. It began enforcing a ban on religious dress particularly aimed at Islamic dress in 2004 and has in a number of school districts had the option for school meals without pork, bacon, ham, etc. removed as a way of excluding and separating out Muslim members of the communities. These sorts of policies have been isolating Muslims in France and isolated communities feeling ostracized by the rest of the country are breeding grounds for radicalization.

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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:41 pm

Kergstan wrote:To me is it mostly the economic inequality in big cities and the existence of bailleurs (?) or neighbourhoods were people are divided along economic (=ethnical/religious) lines and coexistence and comprehension of the other is harder.


Banlieue, I think. And throw in Belgium's own unique governmental/political situation;

The Atlantic wrote:Belgian jihadism seems to mimic French Islamist militancy, only more concentrated—as befits the smaller country. Both have large numbers of immigrants who are poorer and isolated from the dominant culture. Both countries have also seen far-right, anti-immigrant parties rise by loudly declaring a Muslim menace. Experts also say it is comparatively easy to acquire illegal guns in Belgium, making it an attractive base for operations. The Washington Post notes that Belgium’s unusual bilingualism—Flemish and French—makes it hard for immigrants who only speak French to find work and assimilate. And deep distrust between French- and Flemish-speaking government officials has created an elaborate and sclerotic security apparatus that doesn’t always deal with threats efficiently and promptly.


And France's own painful post-colonial experience with the Arab world as well as its approach to laïcité.

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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:17 pm

Mostly because the rapists are all in Britain and Sweden. So the murderers probably had to emigrate to France, Belgium, and Germany.
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Postby Hardened Pyrokinetics » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:24 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:Mostly because the rapists are all in Britain and Sweden. So the murderers probably had to emigrate to France, Belgium, and Germany.

If this is meant to be satire, it is a poor attempt that my body reacted to with a slight widening of the eyes.

If this is serious, I pity the life you must lead to have such views.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:29 pm

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:Mostly because the rapists are all in Britain and Sweden. So the murderers probably had to emigrate to France, Belgium, and Germany.

If this is meant to be satire, it is a poor attempt that my body reacted to with a slight widening of the eyes.

If this is serious, I pity the life you must lead to have such views.

Oh they're serious alright. They have a history of calling Muslims rapists.
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:30 pm

Hmm a good question that I've asked myself too.

I'm not sure if its economic inequality that is the driving force of jihadism in France/Belgium but more the rise of the far-right like Front national. I think House of Judah provides some excellent examples of rising tensions.

Asking Alexi (I think I spelt the name right) for his opinion would be good. If he's still here on these forums.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:32 pm

The Conez Imperium wrote:Hmm a good question that I've asked myself too.

I'm not sure if its economic inequality that is the driving force of jihadism in France/Belgium but more the rise of the far-right like Front national. I think House of Judah provides some excellent examples of rising tensions.

Asking Alexi (I think I spelt the name right) for his opinion would be good. If he's still here on these forums.

They would probably just be telling you about how it's all because of immigration and how they're destroying French cultural purity.
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:32 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:If this is meant to be satire, it is a poor attempt that my body reacted to with a slight widening of the eyes.

If this is serious, I pity the life you must lead to have such views.

Oh they're serious alright. They have a history of calling Muslims rapists.


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Postby Jumalariik » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:40 pm

Because they have significant Muslim populations... the more of any group you have, the more of a criminal element from that group will exist. If you have a group of Christians and 1% are criminals, (hypothetical number) and you have 100 Christians, you will have probably 1 criminal. If you have 100000000000000 Christians, you will have a few more let's say. France and Belgium have more Muslims than lots of European countries, and as the number of a demographic increases so will the amount of criminals from that demographic.
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Postby Hardened Pyrokinetics » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:41 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:Oh they're serious alright. They have a history of calling Muslims rapists.


Excuse me, I prefer Zhe/Ze Pronouns. As a Transexual, I'm entitled to fear any group that seeks to murder me or my LGBTQ+ allies by throwing us off roofs.

Then hate those who seek to throw you and your compatriots off rooftops.

Do not hate or preach hate for Muslims in general. Especially those seeking to escape from the very same monsters who perpetuate such hate.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:45 pm

France has a fuckton of pre-existing Muslims who feel isolated by French society. People like to draw links between refugees and jihadis, but the truth is that ISIS et co have merely stirred a deep-seated dissatisfaction within the hearts of those already here in the West.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:45 pm

Invasion of ISIS into the West. They have openly said that they will use the refugee crisis as a way to invade the West, and this can be seen in Paris, Brussels, and London. So mostly security
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Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Excuse me, I prefer Zhe/Ze Pronouns. As a Transexual, I'm entitled to fear any group that seeks to murder me or my LGBTQ+ allies by throwing us off roofs.

Then hate those who seek to throw you and your compatriots off rooftops.

Do not hate or preach hate for Muslims in general. Especially those seeking to escape from the very same monsters who perpetuate such hate.


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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:47 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:Invasion of ISIS into the West. They have openly said that they will use the refugee crisis as a way to invade the West, and this can be seen in Paris, Brussels, and London. So mostly security

This is why so many of these terror attacks have been performed by refugees and roughly equal in proportion to the amount of refugees each of these European countries have taken in, amirite?
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Conserative Morality wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Invasion of ISIS into the West. They have openly said that they will use the refugee crisis as a way to invade the West, and this can be seen in Paris, Brussels, and London. So mostly security

This is why so many of these terror attacks have been performed by refugees and roughly equal in proportion to the amount of refugees each of these European countries have taken in, amirite?


Just because ISIS is in the process of placing it's cells across Europe, doesn't mean that it won't happen.
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Estainia: The countless genocides...So many countless genocides.


Old Tyrannia wrote:You've never met Ralk before, have you? Ralk doesn't have friends.
He only respects the strong, and preys on the weak.
He might act polite and smile all the time, but always remember...
The day will come when you'll wake up to find him looming over your bed,
knife in hand, and he'll still be smiling.

Constaniana wrote:Ralk is evil incarnate, shouldn't you know this by now?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:48 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:Then hate those who seek to throw you and your compatriots off rooftops.

Do not hate or preach hate for Muslims in general. Especially those seeking to escape from the very same monsters who perpetuate such hate.


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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:50 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:Just because ISIS is in the process of placing it's cells across Europe, doesn't mean that it won't happen.

I'll never understand why people give in to terrorists. I guess modern society isn't for the faint of heart anyway.
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Postby Austria and Bavaria » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:51 pm

Kergstan wrote:If you are a right wing nationalist, you have already drawn your conclusions without even thinking about it.


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Conserative Morality wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:Just because ISIS is in the process of placing it's cells across Europe, doesn't mean that it won't happen.

I'll never understand why people give in to terrorists. I guess modern society isn't for the faint of heart anyway.


Less Modern Society, and more general idiocy of Leftist Policies.
Lyras:You know, you're a sick fuck, yes?
Ralk: I have stacks on stacks and racks on racks of slaves.
BlueHorizons: It sounds like you're doing a commercial for the most morbid children's board game ever, Ralk.

Estainia: The countless genocides...So many countless genocides.


Old Tyrannia wrote:You've never met Ralk before, have you? Ralk doesn't have friends.
He only respects the strong, and preys on the weak.
He might act polite and smile all the time, but always remember...
The day will come when you'll wake up to find him looming over your bed,
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Constaniana wrote:Ralk is evil incarnate, shouldn't you know this by now?

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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:55 pm

Jumalariik wrote:Because they have significant Muslim populations... the more of any group you have, the more of a criminal element from that group will exist. If you have a group of Christians and 1% are criminals, (hypothetical number) and you have 100 Christians, you will have probably 1 criminal. If you have 100000000000000 Christians, you will have a few more let's say. France and Belgium have more Muslims than lots of European countries, and as the number of a demographic increases so will the amount of criminals from that demographic.


Not really. Belgium, for example, has a population of 5.9% Muslims of various descriptions, Germany has 5.9% and France 7.5% - though Germany has a larger population numerically because they have a larger population in total.

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Postby The Portland Territory » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:56 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Invasion of ISIS into the West. They have openly said that they will use the refugee crisis as a way to invade the West, and this can be seen in Paris, Brussels, and London. So mostly security

This is why so many of these terror attacks have been performed by refugees and roughly equal in proportion to the amount of refugees each of these European countries have taken in, amirite?

Does not matter, the percentage may be less than 1%, but they have already killed over 100 people, more than that in Europe alone. As well as raped hundreds more.
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Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:Less Modern Society, and more general idiocy of Leftist Policies.

"It's not modern society that doesn't give in to terrorists, it's those damn dirty leftists!"

Are you sure you aren't running a false flag operation?
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Postby The Portland Territory » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:56 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:Just because ISIS is in the process of placing it's cells across Europe, doesn't mean that it won't happen.

I'll never understand why people give in to terrorists. I guess modern society isn't for the faint of heart anyway.

Not give in, fight. There's a difference
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