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What would an infinite world look like?

Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:56 pm

First, I ask that you suspend your disbelief. What I'm about to ask is obviously impossible, but I find it interesting regardless and I'd like to hear your thoughts. If you're going to argue about how the physics of such a world would work, don't bother, that's not the point.

Assume that Earth were instead an infinite plain. No matter how far you travel, you will always discover new land, new oceans, new mountains, and biomes are seemingly random since there are no hemispheres. Additionally, you can dig forever and never reach an end, and you can travel into space forever and never reach the Moon, the Sun, or any other planets. Finally, assume evolution works and humans exist. What would such a world look like, from our perspective? How would civilisation evolve? Would nations exist as they do now? How would we expand into the infinite land around us? Would governments organise slow expansion? Would we invest much more in developing transportation technology, or would we eventually accept that other people are too far away to ever visit?

TL;DR Earth is now Minecraft, how does it work?

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Postby Krasny-Volny » Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:59 pm

Minecraft.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:08 pm

What would it look like?

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Postby Quokkastan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:26 pm

If you took the population of earth and transplanted it evenly onto a Niven ringworld (which is not infinite, just very big) you would, on average, never come across another human being even if you spent your entire life looking.

So my first thought, when it comes to an infinite world, is "lonely."
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Postby Galloism » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:26 pm

I'd conquer as much of it as I could until I had an empire spanning from horizon to horiz-

Wait, damn. An empire so broad the sun never se-

Wait, infinite, but still has day/night? How does that work?
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Postby Quokkastan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:27 pm

Galloism wrote:I'd conquer as much of it as I could until I had an empire spanning from horizon to horiz-

Wait, damn. An empire so broad the sun never se-

Wait, infinite, but still has day/night? How does that work?

Umm... mirrors.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:27 pm

People would probably have a lot more freedom, ideas such as existentialism or Platonic idealism would have a lot more influence.
Galloism wrote:I'd conquer as much of it as I could until I had an empire spanning from horizon to horiz-

Wait, damn. An empire so broad the sun never se-

Wait, infinite, but still has day/night? How does that work?

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:41 pm

Freefall11111 wrote:First, I ask that you suspend your disbelief. What I'm about to ask is obviously impossible, but I find it interesting regardless and I'd like to hear your thoughts. If you're going to argue about how the physics of such a world would work, don't bother, that's not the point.

Assume that Earth were instead an infinite plain. No matter how far you travel, you will always discover new land, new oceans, new mountains, and biomes are seemingly random since there are no hemispheres. Additionally, you can dig forever and never reach an end, and you can travel into space forever and never reach the Moon, the Sun, or any other planets. Finally, assume evolution works and humans exist. What would such a world look like, from our perspective? How would civilisation evolve? Would nations exist as they do now? How would we expand into the infinite land around us? Would governments organise slow expansion? Would we invest much more in developing transportation technology, or would we eventually accept that other people are too far away to ever visit?

TL;DR Earth is now Minecraft, how does it work?


Well, the age of exploration would never end, their'd always be new land to settle and new resources to take, maybe less warfare, at least on the periphery of settled territory.

Probably not much space travel (or nothing beyond satellites/orbital stations, and even that would be... different without an actual orbit). Nothing to get to that way. :(

Science would be... really, really different, if it even existed. I'm not sure how such a world could even work without magic, so science as we know it probably wouldn't even work.

Eventually humanity would spread out so much that their would be regions of humanity that had never contacted one another.

Hmm... if their are no other celestial bodies in reach, does that mean their are never asteroid/comet impacts?
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Postby The United States of North Amerigo » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:43 pm

Selfi wrote:People would build dirt penises and burn down each other's houses.
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Postby Adytus » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:44 pm

That same feeling you get playing Minecraft?
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Postby Adytus » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:44 pm

Krasny-Volny wrote:Minecraft.

Haha everyone thought that.
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Postby Hydraic Empire » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:46 pm

Minecraft infinite worlds are not infinite.
Just pretty damn big.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:49 pm

I tried to think about this but it made my head hurt.

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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:52 pm

Unless humanity was transplanted together and placed in areas close to each other, then pretty damn lonely.

Though I could pretend to then be the world's greatest conqueror and explorer. Ultimate LARPing.
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Postby Quokkastan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:54 pm

It stands to reason that there would be some climate variation on account of topography, but I don't suppose you would have dramatic differences like from the equator to the polar regions. Of course, that depends largely on how this works.

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Postby Devon Teyson » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:04 pm

It would be cool.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:09 pm

Quokkastan wrote:It stands to reason that there would be some climate variation on account of topography, but I don't suppose you would have dramatic differences like from the equator to the polar regions. Of course, that depends largely on how this works.

How does any of this work?

theres no equator or poles
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Postby Quokkastan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:23 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
Quokkastan wrote:It stands to reason that there would be some climate variation on account of topography, but I don't suppose you would have dramatic differences like from the equator to the polar regions. Of course, that depends largely on how this works.

How does any of this work?

theres no equator or poles

Obviously, but are there areas that receive greater or lesser sunlight exposure? I don't know why there would be, but then I don't know how you get a singular sun to traverse the sky of an infinite world either.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:24 pm

Quokkastan wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:theres no equator or poles

Obviously, but are there areas that receive greater or lesser sunlight exposure? I don't know why there would be, but then I don't know how you get a singular sun to traverse the sky of an infinite world either.

I'd guess so. In Minecraft, there are different climates so there would probably be different climates in this world.
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Postby Quokkastan » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:28 pm

Freefall11111 wrote:First, I ask that you suspend your disbelief. What I'm about to ask is obviously impossible, but I find it interesting regardless and I'd like to hear your thoughts. If you're going to argue about how the physics of such a world would work, don't bother, that's not the point.

Assume that Earth were instead an infinite plain. No matter how far you travel, you will always discover new land, new oceans, new mountains, and biomes are seemingly random since there are no hemispheres. Additionally, you can dig forever and never reach an end, and you can travel into space forever and never reach the Moon, the Sun, or any other planets. Finally, assume evolution works and humans exist. What would such a world look like, from our perspective? How would civilisation evolve? Would nations exist as they do now? How would we expand into the infinite land around us? Would governments organise slow expansion? Would we invest much more in developing transportation technology, or would we eventually accept that other people are too far away to ever visit?

TL;DR Earth is now Minecraft, how does it work?

At some point, this is going to cause fusion.

So one likely answer to your "What would an infinite world look like?" query is "bright."

Of course, sooner or latter it would also cause the whole thing to collapse into a singularity, so an even more likely answer would be "small and dark."
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:14 am

Well, I will assume that humanity starts out at one place (the infWorld equal of Africa). Then it spreads out in migrating waves. Then some of those develop agriculture and starting empires. Thus far, nothing is different from the RL world. After all, back in those days (at least pre-agriculture), the RL world might well have been infinite for all intents and purposes.

Humanity would continue expanding infinitely. Lesser succesful 'tribes' would always move outwards with agricultural settlers behind them. Maybe the settled empires will go to war, though it will be different when there's infinite amount of land. After all, why die if you can move and start anew. On that note, I wonder if we'd even get empires, or just vast swaths of semi-autonomic villages with a few cities (in places with a surplus of resources, think river deltas).

And of course, constant expansion.
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Postby Neo Bavaria » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:18 am

It would probably take a while to walk across it

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Postby Troperia » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:22 am

An infinite world would look like NationStates if every single nation in the game exists physically.

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Postby Hirota » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:25 am

Freefall11111 wrote:First, I ask that you suspend your disbelief. What I'm about to ask is obviously impossible, but I find it interesting regardless and I'd like to hear your thoughts. If you're going to argue about how the physics of such a world would work, don't bother, that's not the point.

Assume that Earth were instead an infinite plain.
The Long Earth series of books has a similar approach, but there are multiple parallel earths that are trivially easy to reach, and which are by and large completely unpopulated.
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