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Was the Freddie Gray case a political prosecution?

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Opinion: Was the Freddie Gray case a political prosecution?

Postby Sunilia » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:19 am

(CNN) — The decision by Baltimore prosecutors to drop all charges against three officers still facing prosecution in connection with the death of Freddie Gray raises some important questions.

Simply dropping the charges now against the remaining defendants is problematic, because it logically suggests that there was never sufficient evidence against any of the officers, and bolsters the arguments of critics who say the prosecution was purely political.

The death of Gray in police custody touched off protests and riots in April 2015. After his arrest on a Baltimore street, Gray suffered severe injuries, including a broken neck, in the van that took him to the police station. He died a week after the arrest. In May of that year, charges were filed against six officers.

Prosecutors enjoy unfettered discretion in choosing whom to prosecute. Once that choice is made, there is little periodic review of whether the case remains viable -- until the verdict. Even with an acquittal or dismissal, the decision of a single prosecutor can destroy the lives of citizens. Such is the case here. These officers, in theory, have no convictions and clean records now. But do they really? Does it matter that their names aren't on a criminal docket anymore, if they're all over the Google landscape forever?

If the initial choice to prosecute creates such a ripple effect of disruption in the life of a defendant and his family, then surely that choice is a scrutinized process with institutional checks and balances, right? We hope so. But what if it's not?

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:22 am

Sunilia wrote:
(CNN) — The decision by Baltimore prosecutors to drop all charges against three officers still facing prosecution in connection with the death of Freddie Gray raises some important questions.

Simply dropping the charges now against the remaining defendants is problematic, because it logically suggests that there was never sufficient evidence against any of the officers, and bolsters the arguments of critics who say the prosecution was purely political.

The death of Gray in police custody touched off protests and riots in April 2015. After his arrest on a Baltimore street, Gray suffered severe injuries, including a broken neck, in the van that took him to the police station. He died a week after the arrest. In May of that year, charges were filed against six officers.

Prosecutors enjoy unfettered discretion in choosing whom to prosecute. Once that choice is made, there is little periodic review of whether the case remains viable -- until the verdict. Even with an acquittal or dismissal, the decision of a single prosecutor can destroy the lives of citizens. Such is the case here. These officers, in theory, have no convictions and clean records now. But do they really? Does it matter that their names aren't on a criminal docket anymore, if they're all over the Google landscape forever?

If the initial choice to prosecute creates such a ripple effect of disruption in the life of a defendant and his family, then surely that choice is a scrutinized process with institutional checks and balances, right? We hope so. But what if it's not?

(Click here to read the rest of the article on CNN's website)


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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:23 am

What do you think, OP?

Edit: Damn, Iffy beat me to the punch.
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Postby Sunilia » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:24 am

Alvecia wrote:What do you think, OP?

Edit: Damn, Iffy beat me to the punch.

I think that this is a case of political prosecution. There wasn't even a probable cause to prosecute!

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:25 am

Yeah, it was pretty flimsy evidence, especially for such a high charge.
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Postby Novgorody » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:36 am

Yep, its definitely political prosecution.

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Postby Archimidian » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:02 am

Novgorody wrote:Yep, its definitely political prosecution.

Agreed.

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Postby Llamalandia » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:31 pm

Seems to have been. I'd like to see an apology from bLM but I doubt that will happen. Still the initial arrest of grey also seemed a bit sketchy and we still need to learn more about what happened there. After being in custody though it seems difficult to prove any real misconduct on the part of police.

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Postby Unified Governments » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:55 pm

Considering that the charges brought against the officers were baseless, then yes. And after witnessing Mosby's speech, there's no doubt this was a political prosecution. Marilyn Mosby is a disgrace and a hack political activist prosecutor. She should be disbarred.
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Postby Unified Governments » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:58 pm

Llamalandia wrote:Seems to have been. I'd like to see an apology from bLM but I doubt that will happen. Still the initial arrest of grey also seemed a bit sketchy and we still need to learn more about what happened there. After being in custody though it seems difficult to prove any real misconduct on the part of police.

BLM never apologizes. They're assholes.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:05 pm

If one's political view is that people shouldn't be murdered, then yeah, I suppose so.

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Postby West Cedarbrook » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:10 pm

Unified Governments wrote:Considering that the charges brought against the officers were baseless, then yes. And after witnessing Mosby's speech, there's no doubt this was a political prosecution. Marilyn Mosby is a disgrace and a hack political activist prosecutor. She should be disbarred.

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Postby Penguin Union Nation » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:12 pm

Yeah, I'm sure that guy just severed his own spine. :roll:

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Postby Llamalandia » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:14 pm

Merizoc wrote:If one's political view is that people shouldn't be murdered, then yeah, I suppose so.

Which would be relevant had this in fact been a murder rather than an accidental killing.

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Postby Unified Governments » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:14 pm

Penguin Union Nation wrote:Yeah, I'm sure that guy just severed his own spine. :roll:

He had a medical condition the officers weren't aware of. Officers don't have access to a guy's complete medical record when they arrest him.

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Postby Unified Governments » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:14 pm

Merizoc wrote:If one's political view is that people shouldn't be murdered, then yeah, I suppose so.

Except he wasn't murdered.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:15 pm

I said from day one that those cops were getting railroaded.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:16 pm

Llamalandia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:If one's political view is that people shouldn't be murdered, then yeah, I suppose so.

Which would be relevant had this in fact been a murder rather than an accidental killing.

Pretty big accident if you ask me, or if you ask the medical examiner.

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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:17 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:I said from day one that those cops were getting railroaded.

Fuck them, they killed a guy. They deserve to rot in prison.

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Postby Unified Governments » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:23 pm

Merizoc wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:I said from day one that those cops were getting railroaded.

Fuck them, they killed a guy. They deserve to rot in prison.

Gray had a medical condition they were unaware of. Should we send people to jail based on nothing?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:24 pm

Merizoc wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:I said from day one that those cops were getting railroaded.

Fuck them, they killed a guy. They deserve to rot in prison.

The court says otherwise.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:27 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Fuck them, they killed a guy. They deserve to rot in prison.

The court says otherwise.

Appeal to authority. Courts have been wrong either deliberately or otherwise many times before.

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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:29 pm

Unified Governments wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Fuck them, they killed a guy. They deserve to rot in prison.

Gray had a medical condition they were unaware of. Should be send people to jail based on nothing?

I fail to see how being unaware of a medical condition excuses using unnecessary and inhumane force and failing to comply with department standards on safe carrying of prisoners.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:29 pm

Merizoc wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:The court says otherwise.

Appeal to authority. Courts have been wrong either deliberately or otherwise many times before.

It's not an appeal to authority. It's a fucking verdict.

As in "if I say that those officers acquitted of killing Freddie Gray are murderers, they can sue me for slander".
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:31 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Appeal to authority. Courts have been wrong either deliberately or otherwise many times before.

It's not an appeal to authority. It's a fucking verdict.

As in "if I say that those officers acquitted of killing Freddie Gray are murderers, they can sue me for slander".

The officers acquitted of killing Freddie Gray are murderers.

The pigs in question are free to come at me.

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