UK Politics IV: Disraeli Gears

[Elepis]

Thank you, it was worth reading through that floccinaucinihilipilification to catch that.

You should probably cut that out before you give someone a case of pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

you all have nothing on this guy

[Vassenor]

You should probably cut that out before you give someone a case of pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

you all have nothing on this guy

Yes, but when are we ever going to have a need to recite a hundred-thousand character chemical compound?

[Conscentia]

You should probably cut that out before you give someone a case of pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

you all have nothing on this guy

He's just reading the word, not using it in a sentence.

[Elepis]

you all have nothing on this guy

Yes, but when are we ever going to have a need to recite a hundred-thousand character chemical compound?

Yes, it is being brought in by the new Education Sec as part of the Science SATs that we all have to redo

[Frank Zipper]

We seem to have an outbreak of sesquipedalianism in the thread.

[Vassenor]

We seem to have an outbreak of sesquipedalianism in the thread.

Loquaciousness is not bad.

[The Nihilistic view]

Why should a Catholic get to be the King or Queen? Is there some kind of "human right to be Monarch" that I haven't heard about? In that case we have all had our human rights violated already so

Why should a monarch not be allowed to be Catholic? Is there not a human right to freely practice the religion of one's choice?

Yes they can freely practice. They just get removed from the line of succession. They are not forced to be Church of England because they are born into the royal family.

There is no human right to not be removed from the line of succession.

[Ifreann]

Why should a monarch not be allowed to be Catholic? Is there not a human right to freely practice the religion of one's choice?

Yes they can freely practice. They just get removed from the line of succession. They are not forced to be Church of England because they are born into the royal family.

There is no human right to not be removed from the line of succession.

Surely a monarch can't be removed from the line of succession, only from the throne. So, Lizzy can freely practice any religion she wants, but she'll be fired if she practices anything but Anglicanism.

[The Nihilistic view]

Yes they can freely practice. They just get removed from the line of succession. They are not forced to be Church of England because they are born into the royal family.

There is no human right to not be removed from the line of succession.

Surely a monarch can't be removed from the line of succession, only from the throne. So, Lizzy can freely practice any religion she wants, but she'll be fired if she practices anything but Anglicanism.

Because somebody would never get that far if they were not CoE. So I subbed in the LoS. There would not likely be a monarch in that position. Though as with Edward the VIII it would require abdication with regards to changing religion once on the throne with regards to the parts of the law that still apply.

[San Lumen]

Why should it count more? Liverpool and Manchester voted remain too as did Cardiff. I guess their votes should count more too. Should we do the same in general elections? You don't believe in one man, one vote?

Or rather why should people with no fucking knowledge of the EU who seem the blame their joblessness and their own stupidity on the EU be allowed to vote?

Of course I believe in one person one vote, but not for something as important as this. This should have been left to people who actually knew something about the EU rather than drop outs from Sunderland who blame the destruction of the car industry on Brussles.

So basically only certain people should be allowed to vote? And certain votes should count more and there should be a test in order to vote. How very democratic!

[Souseiseki]

Or rather why should people with no fucking knowledge of the EU who seem the blame their joblessness and their own stupidity on the EU be allowed to vote?

Of course I believe in one person one vote, but not for something as important as this. This should have been left to people who actually knew something about the EU rather than drop outs from Sunderland who blame the destruction of the car industry on Brussles.

So basically only certain people should be allowed to vote? And certain votes should count more and there should be a test in order to vote. How very democratic!

not everyone has the time to or has the ability or inclination to understand every issue. we therefore elect a few people to do it for us. these people then have staff and civil servants etc. to help them understand everything because they too do not understand everything.

this is the fundamental basis of representative democracy

unless you believe in direct democracy. do you?

[Ifreann]

Surely a monarch can't be removed from the line of succession, only from the throne. So, Lizzy can freely practice any religion she wants, but she'll be fired if she practices anything but Anglicanism.

Because somebody would never get that far if they were not CoE. So I subbed in the LoS. There would not likely be a monarch in that position. Though as with Edward the VIII it would require abdication with regards to changing religion once on the throne with regards to the parts of the law that still apply.

So, Lizzy can freely practice any religion she wants, but she'll be fired if she practices anything but Anglicanism.

[Ithqington]

I know I am UKIP Supporter, but I think Jeremy Corbyn still better off be leader of labour party than anything else

[Vassenor]

I know I am UKIP Supporter, but I think Jeremy Corbyn still better off be leader of labour party than anything else

So how do you feel about the fact you seem to support people like this?

[Hydesland]

I know I am UKIP Supporter, but I think Jeremy Corbyn still better off be leader of labour party than anything else

So how do you feel about the fact you seem to support people like this?

The absolute madman.

[Wolfmanne2]

I know I am UKIP Supporter, but I think Jeremy Corbyn still better off be leader of labour party than anything else

So how do you feel about the fact you seem to support people like this?

Labour has wingnuts too.

[Vassenor]

So how do you feel about the fact you seem to support people like this?

Labour has wingnuts too.

Aye. But I want to get an opinion on this sort of conduct from someone who supports the party in question.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's no secret that Corbyn is a commie who doesn't want to admit it. If he isn't sacked as Labour leader then he'll turn the party into dirty communists and tear it apart.

Corbyn isn't a communist, he's a socialist. These are not the same thing.
Despite failing to practise such, the Labour party is still a socialist party, as it has always been.

So, no.

Saying that the sheer level of opposition in those regions and nationally is a good reason to not have left the EU isn't "making someone's vote count more", unless you're mad.

The referendum was a dumb idea, for a dumb decision, on a dumb threshold.

Then what is it other than saying their votes should count more? The country as a whole voted leave but because London and Scotland voted remain the country should stay in EU. How is that not saying their votes should count more?

Erm... it's saying that their votes "don't count more".
Because they don't. In order for that to be true, one has to calculate how much each vote is numerically worth which is... not what we're doing, like at all.

Like I keep saying, leave the EU and remain in the EU were not comparable, equal options. There are plenty of good reasons why a 50%+1 referendum was a dumb idea given that.
It just so happens that all these reasons benefit my position.

[Geilinor]

It's no secret that Corbyn is a commie who doesn't want to admit it. If he isn't sacked as Labour leader then he'll turn the party into dirty communists and tear it apart.

Despite failing to practise such, the Labour party is still a socialist party, as it has always been.

What happened to social democracy?

[Wolfmanne2]

Despite failing to practise such, the Labour party is still a socialist party, as it has always been.

What happened to social democracy?

We're a democratic socialist party, as written under Clause 4. Democratic socialism is a broader ideology than you think; third way socialism is still socialism. Social democracy comes under the umbrella of democratic socialist; people from the soft left to the right tend to identify as such.

[Imperializt Russia]

Despite failing to practise such, the Labour party is still a socialist party, as it has always been.

What happened to social democracy?

Neoliberalism happened.

[Wolfmanne2]

What happened to social democracy?

Neoliberalism happened.

The electorate happened*.

[Geilinor]

What happened to social democracy?

Neoliberalism happened.

My point being that Labour tends to identify itself as social democratic rather than socialist.

[Greed and Death]

In other sad news Dr Who is being cancelled after the current season, apparently with less access to the lucrative European market Dr. Who is just not profitable to produce its current form.

You arse, you almost got me then

there might have been riots

[Greed and Death]

Neoliberalism happened.

My point being that Labour tends to identify itself as social democratic rather than socialist.

New or Old Labour ?