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Postby Great Feng » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:35 pm

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/russia-closes-crisis-chapter-turkey-160629131937917.html

Moscow is lifting travel restrictions on Russian tourists visiting Turkey after a period of diplomatic tension with plans to resume "mutually advantageous" trade relations.

Russia's President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday that he asked his government to begin "the process of normalising general trade and economic ties with Turkey", fixing badly strained relations since Ankara shot down a Russian warplane taking part in Moscow's military campaign in Syria last year.

"I want to start with the question of tourism ... we are lifting the administrative restrictions in this area," Putin told government ministers in televised comments.

Russian tourism to Turkey last month was down more than 90 percent year on year, according to figures by Turkey's Ministry of Culture and Tourism.

Overall tourism in Turkey was down about 35 percent last month compared with the same period last year, the ministry said.

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The development came days after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan expressed regret for the downing of the Russian jet in a letter this week to Putin.
The Russian leader said the letter created conditions to close "this crisis chapter" in bilateral relations.

On Wednesday, Putin and Erdogan held a "constructive" telephone conversation, according to the Kremlin.

Putin told Erdogan he hoped that a criminal case launched against a Turkish citizen accused of killing the Russian pilot of the downed warplane would be an objective one.




This is quite interesting. This came just a couple days after Brexit shook the world and made the UK leave the EU and started a wave of demands to leave the EU in Europe, most notably in Czechia, France, Holland, and Poland.
And Erdogan had sworn to never apologize, so this is quite a shock. With all that is happening lately, perhaps Erdogan has come to doubt his western allies and reluctantly wants to form ties with Russia despite Russia supporting Kurdistan?
At the very least Erdogan wants to normalize relations, perhaps to relieve pressure off Turkey and to cool things down.
Also Erdogan earlier this month stated suggested a referendum for if Turks still wanted to join the EU(Source: http://www.euractiv.com/section/enlargement/news/erdogan-suggests-referendum-to-ask-turks-if-they-still-want-to-join-eu/).

Prior to the incident with Russia, Turkey was looking into joining the Shanghai Cooperation Organization(SCO), and with the recent admittance of India and Pakistan into the SCO(They will fully ascend in 2017), Turkey may be next if they heal ties with Russia enough. There are even rumors that Turkey may be looking into leaving NATO and/or becoming more friendly and possibly allies with Russia and China. While unlikely, it is possible, and would give Russia a powerful ally in the Middle East.
A series of unlikely events have happened this past month: Brexit, India and Pakistan joining SCO, Pakistan ruling out force for taking Kashmir(Source: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/pakistan-cannot-conquer-kashmir-through-war-hina-rabbani-khar/articleshow/52960248.cms), diplomatic talks between India and Pakistan about Kashmir(Which may or may not come to nothing), Erdogan apologizing, and Boris Johnson announcing that he will not run for leader of UK(Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/boris-johnsons-path-to-british-prime-ministership-scrambled-by-allys-defection/2016/06/30/c8c7476e-3df8-11e6-9e16-4cf01a41decb_story.html), the world seems to be going topsy-turvy.

What do you say NSG? What do you think this event signifies?

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Postby Valaran » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:45 pm

Great Feng wrote:What do you say NSG? What do you think this event signifies?


That Erdogan is better at getting himself out of (self-dug) holes than people credit him for.

Great Feng wrote: There are even rumors that Turkey may be looking into leaving NATO and/or becoming more friendly and possibly allies with Russia and China. While unlikely, it is possible, and would give Russia a powerful ally in the Middle East.


Pretty unlikely rumours.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:56 pm

Great Feng wrote:And Erdogan had sworn to never apologize, so this is quite a shock. With all that is happening lately, perhaps Erdogan has come to doubt his western allies

No.
Erdogan has come to doubt his SOUTHERN allies. Which are losing a lot of territory lately.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:58 pm

Anyway, given Putin's and Erdogan's attitude about homosexuality, this thread would have been much more fun if it had been title "Putin and Erdogan make out".
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:21 pm

Risottia wrote:Anyway, given Putin's and Erdogan's attitude about homosexuality, this thread would have been much more fun if it had been title "Putin and Erdogan make out".


I read the title the same way. It'd be hot. Put that shit on PPV.
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Postby Rio Cana » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:23 pm

So finally someone made a thread on this. I had already asked about this in two other threads. But yes, it does seem the UK. leaving the EU. has forced the Turkish leader to make up with Russia and re-establish ties to Israel. Israel would pay 20 million US dollars while Turkey would not prosecute the Isreali soldiers. This has to do with that Gaza flotilla. When Isreali soldiers attacked that Gaza flotilla and Turkish citizens were hurt. No UK. in the EU. means a Turkey in the EU. is much harder to accomplish. The UK. population is around 65 million. So 65 million less UK. Europeans in the EU. and inviting into the EU. 78 million Turks would most certainly not be agreeable to most of the EU. members.
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Postby Great Feng » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:32 pm

Risottia wrote:Anyway, given Putin's and Erdogan's attitude about homosexuality, this thread would have been much more fun if it had been title "Putin and Erdogan make out".

Alas I hadn't thought about that. :p

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Postby The West Maghrebi Jamahiriya » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:51 pm

Good. This'll get the opposition to give up any thoughts they had on wooing Russia. We'll also see a u-turn on RT's coverage of anything bad about Turkey, which I hope will convince certain people of RT's reliability.

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Postby Yorkers » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:52 pm

Rio Cana wrote:So finally someone made a thread on this. I had already asked about this in two other threads. But yes, it does seem the UK. leaving the EU. has forced the Turkish leader to make up with Russia and re-establish ties to Israel. Israel would pay 20 million US dollars while Turkey would not prosecute the Isreali soldiers. This has to do with that Gaza flotilla. When Isreali soldiers attacked that Gaza flotilla and Turkish citizens were hurt. No UK. in the EU. means a Turkey in the EU. is much harder to accomplish. The UK. population is around 65 million. So 65 million less UK. Europeans in the EU. and inviting into the EU. 78 million Turks would most certainly not be agreeable to most of the EU. members.


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Postby New Rogernomics » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:53 pm

Both Erdogan and Putin are authoritarian, anti-democratic, nationalist leaders, and Erdogan aspires to having as much power in his own country as Putin does.

Only difference is that one is a 'Christian' who wants to 'rebuild the 'Russian Empire, and one is a 'Muslim' Islamist who wants to 'rebuild the Ottoman Empire'.

Once Erdogan soothed Putin's ego over the aircraft being shot down, things got back to 'normal', whatever that is.
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:57 pm

More like Erdogan realized that being on Putin's bad side isn't a good place to be.

Guess he isn't a total moron after all.
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Postby The West Maghrebi Jamahiriya » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:04 pm

Kar-Esseria wrote:More like Erdogan realized that being on Putin's bad side isn't a good place to be.

Guess he isn't a total moron after all.

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Yorkers wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:So finally someone made a thread on this. I had already asked about this in two other threads. But yes, it does seem the UK. leaving the EU. has forced the Turkish leader to make up with Russia and re-establish ties to Israel. Israel would pay 20 million US dollars while Turkey would not prosecute the Isreali soldiers. This has to do with that Gaza flotilla. When Isreali soldiers attacked that Gaza flotilla and Turkish citizens were hurt. No UK. in the EU. means a Turkey in the EU. is much harder to accomplish. The UK. population is around 65 million. So 65 million less UK. Europeans in the EU. and inviting into the EU. 78 million Turks would most certainly not be agreeable to most of the EU. members.


You need to learn how to use periods man.


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Kar-Esseria wrote:More like Erdogan realized that being on Putin's bad side isn't a good place to be.

Guess he isn't a total moron after all.


He got tired of having to check every food and drink for polonium.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:41 pm

Great Feng wrote: There are even rumors that Turkey may be looking into leaving NATO

If Erdogan's administration has even a smidgen of geopolitical knowledge, there's no chance of this happening. NATO is by far and away the strongest military alliance on the planet. Russia and China can't compare.

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Postby Shofercia » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:34 pm

Kar-Esseria wrote:More like Erdogan realized that being on Putin's bad side isn't a good place to be.

Guess he isn't a total moron after all.


:rofl:

Only about 9/10 moron.


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Great Feng wrote: There are even rumors that Turkey may be looking into leaving NATO

If Erdogan's administration has even a smidgen of geopolitical knowledge, there's no chance of this happening. NATO is by far and away the strongest military alliance on the planet. Russia and China can't compare.


They're comparing rather well in Syria. Here's the thing that you need to understand about NATO. It is primary a defensive alliance, so if Putin attacks the Baltics without cause, sure, NATO will help. However, if Putin arms the Kurds, NATO ain't going to ride to Erdogan's rescue. If Erdogan's "freedom fighters" are slaughtered in Syria, NATO ain't riding to the rescue. NATO's job is to defend NATO, not to promote Erdogan's anti-Kurdish Crusade. If Russia and Turkey go head to head, it's rather clear who's going to win, and it ain't Erdogan, unless Russia openly invades Turkey, which isn't going to happen.


New Rogernomics wrote:Both Erdogan and Putin are authoritarian, anti-democratic, nationalist leaders, and Erdogan aspires to having as much power in his own country as Putin does.

Only difference is that one is a 'Christian' who wants to 'rebuild the 'Russian Empire, and one is a 'Muslim' Islamist who wants to 'rebuild the Ottoman Empire'.

Once Erdogan soothed Putin's ego over the aircraft being shot down, things got back to 'normal', whatever that is.


Putin's anti-democratic? Name an election in Russia that was more democratic than the Presidential Election of 2012, where Putin did not run as a candidate, since, let's say the start of the eighteenth century. I'm sure the Novgorod Veche was more semocratic, but that was also before the end of the seventeenth century. Go ahead, I'll wait.


The West Maghrebi Jamahiriya wrote:Good. This'll get the opposition to give up any thoughts they had on wooing Russia. We'll also see a u-turn on RT's coverage of anything bad about Turkey, which I hope will convince certain people of RT's reliability.


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Great Feng wrote:And Erdogan had sworn to never apologize, so this is quite a shock. With all that is happening lately, perhaps Erdogan has come to doubt his western allies

No.
Erdogan has come to doubt his SOUTHERN allies. Which are losing a lot of territory lately.


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Postby The East Marches » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:25 pm

Shofercia wrote:They're comparing rather well in Syria. Here's the thing that you need to understand about NATO. It is primary a defensive alliance, so if Putin attacks the Baltics without cause, sure, NATO will help. However, if Putin arms the Kurds, NATO ain't going to ride to Erdogan's rescue. If Erdogan's "freedom fighters" are slaughtered in Syria, NATO ain't riding to the rescue. NATO's job is to defend NATO, not to promote Erdogan's anti-Kurdish Crusade. If Russia and Turkey go head to head, it's rather clear who's going to win, and it ain't Erdogan, unless Russia openly invades Turkey, which isn't going to happen.


How's that jet doing?

NATO doesn't care about defense. It has openly shown its willingness to intervene on multiple occasions. They especially love "limited humanitarian interventions". NATO is opportunistic, not strictly defensive.
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Shofercia wrote:They're comparing rather well in Syria. Here's the thing that you need to understand about NATO. It is primary a defensive alliance, so if Putin attacks the Baltics without cause, sure, NATO will help. However, if Putin arms the Kurds, NATO ain't going to ride to Erdogan's rescue. If Erdogan's "freedom fighters" are slaughtered in Syria, NATO ain't riding to the rescue. NATO's job is to defend NATO, not to promote Erdogan's anti-Kurdish Crusade. If Russia and Turkey go head to head, it's rather clear who's going to win, and it ain't Erdogan, unless Russia openly invades Turkey, which isn't going to happen.


How's that jet doing?

NATO doesn't care about defense. It has openly shown its willingness to intervene on multiple occasions. They especially love "limited humanitarian interventions". NATO is opportunistic, not strictly defensive.


If you think that Russia cares about a plane, you're wrong. It was the pilot's life that mattered, and that has been avenged rather ruthlessly by the military operations that followed, as well as the additional economic pain. Erdogan also said that he'll hand over the remaining killer to Russia. And yeah, NATO's opportunistic, but that's just it: no one, apparently not even Erdogan, is dumb enough to try to act opportunistically against Russia, knowing the blowback that could, and most likely will, result.
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Shofercia wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
How's that jet doing?

NATO doesn't care about defense. It has openly shown its willingness to intervene on multiple occasions. They especially love "limited humanitarian interventions". NATO is opportunistic, not strictly defensive.


If you think that Russia cares about a plane, you're wrong. It was the pilot's life that mattered, and that has been avenged rather ruthlessly by the military operations that followed, as well as the additional economic pain. Erdogan also said that he'll hand over the remaining killer to Russia. And yeah, NATO's opportunistic, but that's just it: no one, apparently not even Erdogan, is dumb enough to try to act opportunistically against Russia, knowing the blowback that could, and most likely will, result.


I'd say the last 20 years of encircling Russia with bases and NATO members has gone quite well. NATO just has to keep Russia from resorting to nukes. You can poke and prod the Russian bear all you want. All it will do is growl a bit. Their only winning card is nuclear weapons. Its why you can shoot down their jets and they will meekly protest with sanctions. You can topple their allied regimes with "color revolutions". Its ez pz.
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Postby Dejanic » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:26 am

New Rogernomics wrote:Both Erdogan and Putin are authoritarian, anti-democratic, nationalist leaders, and Erdogan aspires to having as much power in his own country as Putin does.

Only difference is that one is a 'Christian' who wants to 'rebuild the 'Russian Empire, and one is a 'Muslim' Islamist who wants to 'rebuild the Ottoman Empire'.

Once Erdogan soothed Putin's ego over the aircraft being shot down, things got back to 'normal', whatever that is.

This. Erdogan and Putin are literally the same people. They're both anti-democratic, authoritarian nobs. It makes sense that they're friends again.

Damn I hate Russia, but when these two had their little quarrel over that plane it was the one time I supported Putin. I'll take Russia over the ISIS collaborating evil Turks any day.
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Gauthier wrote:
Kar-Esseria wrote:More like Erdogan realized that being on Putin's bad side isn't a good place to be.

Guess he isn't a total moron after all.


He got tired of having to check every food and drink for polonium.


It can't be that hard, just hold a Geiger counter over it. Or have one of his servants do it. :p

Although I think sarin was more popular with the KGB, that would require food tasters. :lol:
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Postby The West Maghrebi Jamahiriya » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:18 am

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The West Maghrebi Jamahiriya wrote:Good. This'll get the opposition to give up any thoughts they had on wooing Russia. We'll also see a u-turn on RT's coverage of anything bad about Turkey, which I hope will convince certain people of RT's reliability.


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Postby The West Maghrebi Jamahiriya » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:20 am

The East Marches wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
If you think that Russia cares about a plane, you're wrong. It was the pilot's life that mattered, and that has been avenged rather ruthlessly by the military operations that followed, as well as the additional economic pain. Erdogan also said that he'll hand over the remaining killer to Russia. And yeah, NATO's opportunistic, but that's just it: no one, apparently not even Erdogan, is dumb enough to try to act opportunistically against Russia, knowing the blowback that could, and most likely will, result.


I'd say the last 20 years of encircling Russia with bases and NATO members has gone quite well. NATO just has to keep Russia from resorting to nukes. You can poke and prod the Russian bear all you want. All it will do is growl a bit. Their only winning card is nuclear weapons. Its why you can shoot down their jets and they will meekly protest with sanctions. You can topple their allied regimes with "color revolutions". Its ez pz.

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