Justin Trudeau clears human blockade; branded a woman beater

[Novorobo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn9Up-tjmoM

So basically, a bunch of NDP members were blocking a Conservative's path (and no, he couldn't have gone down the other hallway, because Parliament doesn't work that way; not that anyone should be blocking his path in the first place) and Liberal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau intervened by grabbing the Conservative to pull him through, elbowing a female NDP member in the process... the latter probably being by accident, for that matter.

But to hear the NDP tell it, he was a woman beater and she was an innocent victim. In reality, she was one of the people standing in the Conservative MP''s way. (It's worth noting that NDP leader Tom Mulcair asked "what kind of man elbows a woman?" That kind of depends on which woman you were elbowing, and what she was doing at the time.)

And to hear the Conservatives tell it... apparently the same thing, even though Trudeau was doing this on behalf of one of their MPs.

Question; how do the NDP still have supporters after this blatant case of deceit on their part, literally going all the way to the top of their party? Personally, I think it only reflects on how low they've sunk. After Trudeau's tax-the-rich, deficit-spend-if-pragmatic platform, the NDP are obsolete and it's beginning to look like they realize it.

[Souseiseki]

is there a video without some guy commenting and pausing every three seconds

[The Portland Territory]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn9Up-tjmoM

So basically, a bunch of NDP members were blocking a Conservative's path (and no, he couldn't have gone down the other hallway, because Parliament doesn't work that way; not that anyone should be blocking his path in the first place) and Liberal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau intervened by grabbing the Conservative to pull him through, elbowing a female NDP member in the process... the latter probably being by accident, for that matter.

But to hear the NDP tell it, he was a woman beater and she was an innocent victim. In reality, she was one of the people standing in the Conservative MP''s way. (It's worth noting that NDP leader Tom Mulcair asked "what kind of man elbows a woman?" That kind of depends on which woman you were elbowing, and what she was doing at the time.)

And to hear the Conservatives tell it... apparently the same thing, even though Trudeau was doing this on behalf of one of their MPs.

Question; how do the NDP still have supporters after this blatant case of deceit on their part, literally going all the way to the top of their party? Personally, I think it only reflects on how low they've sunk. After Trudeau's tax-the-rich, deficit-spend-if-pragmatic platform, the NDP are obsolete and it's beginning to look like they realize it.

To be honest, it was an accident. I'm no supporter of Trudeau, but what he did to the woman was on sheer accident. He shouldn't of pulled the Conservative out of the way, I will admit, but I think people are just dramatizing this.

[MERIZoC]

Try the canadian politics megathread. Lord knows this isn't an important enough incident for its own thread.

[Grande Republic of Arcadia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn9Up-tjmoM

So basically, a bunch of NDP members were blocking a Conservative's path (and no, he couldn't have gone down the other hallway, because Parliament doesn't work that way; not that anyone should be blocking his path in the first place) and Liberal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau intervened by grabbing the Conservative to pull him through, elbowing a female NDP member in the process... the latter probably being by accident, for that matter.

But to hear the NDP tell it, he was a woman beater and she was an innocent victim. In reality, she was one of the people standing in the Conservative MP''s way. (It's worth noting that NDP leader Tom Mulcair asked "what kind of man elbows a woman?" That kind of depends on which woman you were elbowing, and what she was doing at the time.)

And to hear the Conservatives tell it... apparently the same thing, even though Trudeau was doing this on behalf of one of their MPs.

Question; how do the NDP still have supporters after this blatant case of deceit on their part, literally going all the way to the top of their party? Personally, I think it only reflects on how low they've sunk. After Trudeau's tax-the-rich, deficit-spend-if-pragmatic platform, the NDP are obsolete and it's beginning to look like they realize it.

Some major BS right there

[Novorobo]

is there a video without some guy commenting and pausing every three seconds

There is, but first and foremost, I recommend watching that version anyway because he points out things that aren't immediately obvious from the raw footage, but once you see them, you can't unsee them.

Anyway, I... think this is the raw footage counterpart, but inexplicably my computer's audio has stopped working, so correct me if I'm wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCC0nrrYZwQ#t=1m45s

Try the canadian politics megathread. Lord knows this isn't an important enough incident for its own thread.

It's a microcosm of how hyper-protective so many men are of women when one can block a guy's path and still be seen as the victim for being elbowed, even by accident, while someone tries to drag a guy through a crowd trying to block him.

To be honest, it was an accident. I'm no supporter of Trudeau, but what he did to the woman was on sheer accident. He shouldn't of pulled the Conservative out of the way, I will admit, but I think people are just dramatizing this.

What was he supposed to do, let the NDP MPs continue to block his path?

[The Portland Territory]

To be honest, it was an accident. I'm no supporter of Trudeau, but what he did to the woman was on sheer accident. He shouldn't of pulled the Conservative out of the way, I will admit, but I think people are just dramatizing this.

What was he supposed to do, let the NDP MPs continue to block his path?

No, but he should pull the Conservative out of the way. He was the victim! Just kindly ask the MPs to move out of the way and since he's the Prime Minister, they most likely would've. Theyre not 8-year olds

[United Marxist Nations]

>that exaggerated reaction

Oh, that was a nudge at most.

[Novorobo]

What was he supposed to do, let the NDP MPs continue to block his path?

No, but he should pull the Conservative out of the way. He was the victim! Just kindly ask the MPs to move out of the way and since he's the Prime Minister, they most likely would've. Theyre not 8-year olds

"Oh pretty pretty please, we'll let you get away with blocking someone's path if you would only just not continue to do so."

Why should he even HAVE to ask? They shouldn't have been blocking his path, period. You don't want to let them get away with that.

[Ostroeuropa]

The entire incident is pretty revealing of the feminist dynamic in the modern west tbh.

Trudeau crosses the floor and purposefully lays hands on a male colleague, brushes across a female colleague who then throws a shitfit and starts a big toddler tantrum.

TL;DR
Womans hysterics engaged in for calculated and unjustified personal gain distracts from mans legitimate grievance.

>that exaggerated reaction

Oh, that was a nudge at most.

She had to stop doing her job for a while and missed the vote because she was traumatized and no longer feels safe in the parliament.

[Novorobo]

She had to stop doing her job for a while and missed the vote because she was traumatized and no longer feels safe in the parliament.

That would almost be cute if not for the salaries associated with Members of Parliament.

Oh, and the damn near slander of a sitting Prime Minister.

EDIT: Not sure the guy had a grievance, though, he might not have gotten through if it wasn't Justin pulling him.

[Ostroeuropa]

She had to stop doing her job for a while and missed the vote because she was traumatized and no longer feels safe in the parliament.

That would almost be cute if not for the salaries associated with Members of Parliament.

Oh, and the damn near slander of a sitting Prime Minister.

Hyperbolic slander and demonization is part and parcel of modern social justice tactics. It's just the new salem witch trials. Did you see the claims he molested her?

EDIT RESPONSE:

EDIT: Not sure the guy had a grievance, though, he might not have gotten through if it wasn't Justin pulling him.

He apparently said "Get your hands off me." (You know. Instead of collapsing to the floor or something, cowering both in terror and his own piss from the hulkish brute who just gangraped him.)
But beyond that, laying hands on a member of parliament like that is a massive breach of decorum and tradition.
Gord did not want Trudeau to drag him and told him to stop.

If Gord Brown had been Rona Ambrose, and Trudeau had crossed the floor with the intent to manhandle and drag a woman against her will, to use muscle to make a woman comply to his tantrum, he'd already be gone. The feminists would have demanded their pound of flesh and gotten it.

Like I said:

A Woman has a calculated power play tantrum and hysterical outburst which distracts from a mans legitimate grievance, par for the course feminism. It's just more obvious here than usual.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Try the canadian politics megathread. Lord knows this isn't an important enough incident for its own thread.

The Canadian media would have you think otherwise...

[Herskerstad]

The pope of feminism is not infallible after all.

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

That moment when someone you disagree with on everything does something right. Good show.

Try the canadian politics megathread. Lord knows this isn't an important enough incident for its own thread.

The Canadian media would have you think otherwise...

Sort of like how George Zimmerman is selling his gun or Donald Trump saying _____ is important.

[Risottia]

What was he supposed to do, let the NDP MPs continue to block his path?

No, but he should pull the Conservative out of the way. He was the victim! Just kindly ask the MPs to move out of the way and since he's the Prime Minister, they most likely would've. Theyre not 8-year olds

That's the problem with democratic, constitutional monarchies like Canada. They have distinct lack of halberdiers, so Prime Ministers ends up having to fend the riff-raff by themselves.

[Esternial]

She should start playing football.

[Risottia]

She should start playing football.

The Coach General of Canada sends in Zidane to relieve Trudeau. How now?

[The Huskar Social Union]

It was on accident and he apologised, its not like he went out of his way to hit her. Honestly.

[AiliailiA]

People shouldn't block each other's way, particular if the latter is trying to get to a vote in the parliament.

However, you don't use physical force to get them out of the way. Doesn't the parliament have Security for that?

Not exactly sure of the circumstances though. Text source please?

[Purpelia]

People shouldn't block each other's way, particular if the latter is trying to get to a vote in the parliament.

However, you don't use physical force to get them out of the way. Doesn't the parliament have Security for that?

Not exactly sure of the circumstances though. Text source please?

I concur. A person in his position should have the brains to avoid such situations by calling on nondescript hirelings to do the shoving for him.

[Costa Fierro]

It's politics. If someone didn't take this out of context and make a shitshow of it, I'd eat my own pubic hair.

[Angleter]

Trudeau comes across as an arsehole. Whether the NDP MPs were intentionally blocking the way (for all of a few seconds) or not, why on Earth does Trudeau decide to march across the aisle and drag the Tory whip through? I mean, the way he grabs the whip doesn't look remotely friendly, and the NDP MP who was moving side-to-side steps aside and clears a path before Trudeau grabs the Tory whip. He could've asked the Speaker to intervene, or even just gone up to the NDP MPs and asked politely.

Instead I get the impression he was pulling a stunt. He'd look like the King of Parliament, the uppity NDP would be put back in their box, and the Tory whip would end up looking and feeling like a four-year-old. He did it to get a cheer from his own benches and to get on the news that evening; and it backfired on him. So, no sympathy. And it obviously wasn't a 'trap', either.

[Wolfmanne2]

It's politics. If someone didn't take this out of context and make a shitshow of it, I'd eat my own pubic hair.

Pretty much.

Let's analyse the context a bit more. It's an euthanasia bill, so emotions are going to be charged, especially because I can't imagine any of the parties making if anything other than a conscience vote. Well, except the Greens, but there's one of them, and Bloc Québécois, but they're Canadian frogs, so fuck them.

The NDP decided they would exploit procedure and block a Conservative MP. Now, as someone involved in partisan politics, I can tell you all normal common sense is suspended in such incidents. It looks ridiculous, but many Conservative MPs would do the same to a NDP MP in such an incident. Harper himself was a fan of using the rulebook to shut down debate, if I recall correctly.

Trudeau wanted the vote to go ahead to limit debate. The NDP didn't seem to want such a thing and wanted to delay the vote. Gord Brown, the Conservative MP, wanted the vote to go ahead, as did the Liberals. Now note that Brown appears to be moving his way through the human blockade. Trudeau, possibly to gain some PR brownies, intervenes and moves Gord to his seat to get the vote going at a faster pace, elbowing the NDP MP in the process.

Now, in the video recordings of the incident, the NDP MP appears to be quite distracted. She is not focused on Trudeau. She will infer it as essentially being a 'sucker elbow'. I think Brosseau's response is quite justified from her perspective. Remember that emotions are charged here; the NDP MPs will have seen, from their partisan point of view, the Liberal Prime Minister crossing the aisle, breaking through the human blockade to grab Gord Brown and elbowing Brosseau. I can understand why Mulcair would react in the way he did, as with the NDP. Their colleagues' dignity had been violated and they quite clearly would not have an objective version of what has happened.

The Tories' reaction may seem unusual but there's method to madness. I can see their motive is to hammer Trudeau for being unparliamentary and Gord Brown's line was that he was making his own way through a-ok, which I personally believe. If the excuse to bash Trudeau is there, he will take it.

Oddly enough, Elizabeth May's response is the most annoying. She is definitely the most politically motivated here by reducing what is essentially a clash of perspectives to 'our politicians are being childish'.

So what now? The vote gets delayed, so mission accomplished for the NDP I guess. An all-party commission has to be established, because like it or not Trudeau's behavior was unparliamentary and has to be investigated. But nothing will come of it. The Liberals carry on governing. The Tories carry on opposing. Tory and NDP MPs will carry on exaggerating even after we've reassembled the omnishambles because politics. Liberal MPs will be all 'wow, Trudeau's such a cool guy, he's a boxer and an ex snowboarding instructor and a feminist, and he ain't got time for NDP-Tory bullshit'.

Welcome to politics NSG. We don't need Ostro's red pill philosophy, slow-mo Youtube commentators or even a dose of common sense, because neither effectively applies.

Trudeau comes across as an arsehole. Whether the NDP MPs were intentionally blocking the way (for all of a few seconds) or not, why on Earth does Trudeau decide to march across the aisle and drag the Tory whip through? I mean, the way he grabs the whip doesn't look remotely friendly, and the NDP MP who was moving side-to-side steps aside and clears a path before Trudeau grabs the Tory whip. He could've asked the Speaker to intervene, or even just gone up to the NDP MPs and asked politely.

Instead I get the impression he was pulling a stunt. He'd look like the King of Parliament, the uppity NDP would be put back in their box, and the Tory whip would end up looking and feeling like a four-year-old. He did it to get a cheer from his own benches and to get on the news that evening; and it backfired on him. So, no sympathy. And it obviously wasn't a 'trap', either.

This too. As a Liberal, I would be like 'yay'. As a Tory or NDP (especially the latter, because Harper is no Saint), I would be pretty disgusted at the behaviour of my Prime Minister. Even if the elbowing was an accident, I don't think Trudeau deserves sympathy unless you're a Liberal that loves those hero stunts. Heck, I think even objectively Trudeau was in the wrong. It was throughly unparliamentary behaviour.

http://blogs.canoe.com/davidakin/politi ... he-breast/
https://twitter.com/JonAshworth/status/ ... 7739430912
Additionally, none of this justifies any of the misogynistic abuse that Brosseau has received. My left-wing solidarity to her. Getting hit in the breast is not up there with getting hit in the balls, but it does hurt. It could had been avoided had Trudeau not acted in such an unparliamentary fashion.

[AiliailiA]

It's politics. If someone didn't take this out of context and make a shitshow of it, I'd eat my own pubic hair.

Pretty much.

Let's analyse the context a bit more. It's an euthanasia bill, so emotions are going to be charged, especially because I can't imagine any of the parties making if anything other than a conscience vote. Well, except the Greens, but there's one of them, and Bloc Québécois, but they're Canadian frogs, so fuck them.

The NDP decided they would exploit procedure and block a Conservative MP. Now, as someone involved in partisan politics, I can tell you all normal common sense is suspended in such incidents. It looks ridiculous, but many Conservative MPs would do the same to a NDP MP in such an incident. Harper himself was a fan of using the rulebook to shut down debate, if I recall correctly.

Trudeau wanted the vote to go ahead to limit debate. The NDP didn't seem to want such a thing and wanted to delay the vote. Gord Brown, the Conservative MP, wanted the vote to go ahead, as did the Liberals. Now note that Brown appears to be moving his way through the human blockade. Trudeau, possibly to gain some PR brownies, intervenes and moves Gord to his seat to get the vote going at a faster pace, elbowing the NDP MP in the process.

Now, in the video recordings of the incident, the NDP MP appears to be quite distracted. She is not focused on Trudeau. She will infer it as essentially being a 'sucker elbow'. I think Brosseau's response is quite justified from her perspective. Remember that emotions are charged here; the NDP MPs will have seen, from their partisan point of view, the Liberal Prime Minister crossing the aisle, breaking through the human blockade to grab Gord Brown and elbowing Brosseau. I can understand why Mulcair would react in the way he did, as with the NDP. Their colleagues' dignity had been violated and they quite clearly would not have an objective version of what has happened.

The Tories' reaction may seem unusual but there's method to madness. I can see their motive is to hammer Trudeau for being unparliamentary and Gord Brown's line was that he was making his own way through a-ok, which I personally believe. If the excuse to bash Trudeau is there, he will take it.

Oddly enough, Elizabeth May's response is the most annoying. She is definitely the most politically motivated here by reducing what is essentially a clash of perspectives to 'our politicians are being childish'.

So what now? The vote gets delayed, so mission accomplished for the NDP I guess. An all-party commission has to be established, because like it or not Trudeau's behavior was unparliamentary and has to be investigated. But nothing will come of it. The Liberals carry on governing. The Tories carry on opposing. Tory and NDP MPs will carry on exaggerating even after we've reassembled the omnishambles because politics. Liberal MPs will be all 'wow, Trudeau's such a cool guy, he's a boxer and an ex snowboarding instructor and a feminist, and he ain't got time for NDP-Tory bullshit'.

Welcome to politics NSG. We don't need Ostro's red pill philosophy, slow-mo Youtube commentators or even a dose of common sense, because neither effectively applies.

I asked for a text source, and this will do just fine.

Quite funny too.