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Is God fascist?

Postby New Axiom » Mon May 09, 2016 6:11 am

Just for a minuet, let's put aside the "Does God exist" argument and pretend he does for the sake of the question. It does say in the bible, I can't remember where, that "The armies of God shall eradicate unbelievers, leaving only righteous mankind." Read that a few times and think of a few historical leaders that tried to eradicate societies that were not good enough for them. Ghengis Kahn. Atilla. The Lionheart, Richard I. Josef Stalin. Adolf Hitler. All of these people tried to obliterate civilizations not good enough for them, done were more successful then others. So not only is God potentially fascist, but is his army imperialist?

My reason for him being fascist is that everyone must worship him forever in heaven. It's Kim Jong Uns wet dream. Singing hallelujah around God for all eternity sounds like something out of 1930s Germany.
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My other thought is, is God communist? I'm not talking Marxist or Leninist like the Soviet Union, I'm talking pure communism where everyone is treated equally. Like what heaven is supposed to be like; everyone treated fairly.

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Postby Anarchist Heathenry » Mon May 09, 2016 6:12 am

"God" being the Abrahamic one? Yes.

The notion of divinity in general, applying to all religions and all gods? No.
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Mon May 09, 2016 6:15 am

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No. God created all humans in his image.


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Postby Gramonia » Mon May 09, 2016 6:18 am

New Axiom wrote:My other thought is, is God communist? I'm not talking Marxist or Leninist like the Soviet Union, I'm talking pure communism where everyone is treated equally. Like what heaven is supposed to be like; everyone treated fairly.

I actually do kinda believe that heaven is a commune. Everyone is treated equally. However, the bible was written by humans, and humans are far from perfect. I think a lot of the bible is biased towards the beliefs of the writer. I don't think God is fascist, but rather the author of the bible was, wherever you found that quote. I believe God gave us free will, and loves us dearly, so I cannot see that he would destroy his own creation because they do not love him back. It's like killing your dog because he's disobedient. Not to say humans are equivalent to dogs in God's eyes. Instead, I believe God cares less about how much you believe in him, but rather how much you act the way he wants you to. I think a moralistic atheist is more likely to get into heaven than a priest who steals from the church collection.
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Mon May 09, 2016 6:19 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:No. God created all humans in his image.


What does that have to do with fascism?
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Postby Cymrea » Mon May 09, 2016 6:20 am

Which god?

From the spiritual perspective, one would think the divine would be above mortal politics and ideologies.
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Mon May 09, 2016 6:21 am

Gramonia wrote:
New Axiom wrote:My other thought is, is God communist? I'm not talking Marxist or Leninist like the Soviet Union, I'm talking pure communism where everyone is treated equally. Like what heaven is supposed to be like; everyone treated fairly.

I actually do kinda believe that heaven is a commune. However, the bible was written by humans, and humans are far from perfect. I think a lot of the bible is biased towards the beliefs of the writer. I don't think God is fascist, but rather the author of the bible was, wherever you found that quote.


Writers, and yes, the Bible was indeed forged by and for politics.
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Postby Cetacea » Mon May 09, 2016 6:21 am

GOD is literally Emperor of the Universe therefore he is by definition Imperialist

He is also quite draconian in as much as he expects the faithful to comply to his plans and will punish them if they don't. But he does give people a choice to believe and treats those who gain his favour very well

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Postby Wine-loving Chimps » Mon May 09, 2016 6:25 am

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I'd say yes. If a human being demanded the things that the Abrahamic God demands (eternal worship, perfect behaviour and thoughts 24/7 etc) and carried out the atrocities that God is attributed to have done (obliterating cities, killing thousands, flooding everyone on Earth but a few sycophants), then yes we would absolutely call that person fascist or communist.
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Postby Herskerstad » Mon May 09, 2016 6:29 am

Kar-Esseria wrote:
Gramonia wrote:I actually do kinda believe that heaven is a commune. However, the bible was written by humans, and humans are far from perfect. I think a lot of the bible is biased towards the beliefs of the writer. I don't think God is fascist, but rather the author of the bible was, wherever you found that quote.


Writers, and yes, the Bible was indeed forged by and for politics.


That's fascinating. I guess Paul telling the Christians in Rome even to be subject to Nero of all people must have been a clever guise to grant them political power as they were used as human torches all along.
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Postby Great Sofannia » Mon May 09, 2016 6:31 am

Nope, just your run-of-the-mill dictatorial shitwad.
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Kar-Esseria wrote:
Writers, and yes, the Bible was indeed forged by and for politics.


That's fascinating. I guess Paul telling the Christians in Rome even to be subject to Nero of all people must have been a clever guise to grant them political power as they were used as human torches all along.

...I think he means that the work that brought it into its' modern form was done by many people seeking to manipulate the religion for their own advantage?
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Postby Herskerstad » Mon May 09, 2016 6:34 am

Great Sofannia wrote:Nope, just your run-of-the-mill dictatorial shitwad.
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That's fascinating. I guess Paul telling the Christians in Rome even to be subject to Nero of all people must have been a clever guise to grant them political power as they were used as human torches all along.

...I think he means that the work that brought it into its' modern form was done by many people seeking to manipulate the religion for their own advantage?


He quoted the bible as being forged by and for it which has implications going beyond modern utilizations of it. Nevertheless, early Christians were in a decidedly poor situation to initiate any kind of political power. In Rome, new religions were looked down upon to say the least. The only reason they at times tolerated judaism is that it was ancient and ancient religions to them must have had some divine protection. In Judea, it did not take long before conflicts to arise and the Christians once again were not exactly a great mobilized force, nothing even close to that would happen for another 300 years and by rather exceptional circumstances.
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Postby Anarchist Heathenry » Mon May 09, 2016 6:36 am

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Great Sofannia wrote:Nope, just your run-of-the-mill dictatorial shitwad.

...I think he means that the work that brought it into its' modern form was done by many people seeking to manipulate the religion for their own advantage?


He quoted the bible as being forged by and for it which has implications going beyond modern utilizations of it. Nevertheless, early Christians were in a decidedly poor situation to initiate any kind of political power. In Rome, new religions were looked down upon to say the least. The only reason they at times tolerated judaism is that it was ancient and ancient religions to them must have had some divine protection. In Judea, it did not take long before conflicts to arise and the Christians once again were not exactly a great mobilized force, nothing even close to that would happen for another 300 years and by rather exceptional circumstances.


That's not made up at all.
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Mon May 09, 2016 6:42 am

Alright, let's address this for real.

New Axiom wrote:It does say in the bible, I can't remember where, that "The armies of God shall eradicate unbelievers, leaving only righteous mankind."


How convenient that you can't remember where in the Bible you read this passage which is completely contradictory to Christ's nature, and so thus can't provide a source for it.

Read that a few times and think of a few historical leaders that tried to eradicate societies that were not good enough for them.


Oh, you mean like just about every leader in history?

Ghengis Kahn. Atilla. The Lionheart, Richard I. Josef Stalin. Adolf Hitler.


None of those people were fascists.

Genghis Khan (which you spelled wrong by the way) was simply a Mongolian warlord who conquered a bunch of shit, just like every other Mongolian warlord. The difference with him is he conquered a lot more and was better at it. Being a warmonger doesn't make you fascist.

Attila (which you also spelled wrong) is same as Genghis Khan, except Hunnic instead of Mongolian.

Richard I 'the Lionheart' wasn't out to destroy a civilization. He, like every other Crusader, was trying to secure the Holy Land for the Christian faith so that Christians could take pilgrimages to holy sites in the Levant with relative ease and safety.

Joseph Stalin was a Stalinist, which is arguably the most extreme variant of socialism, and he never tried to destroy an entire civilization (though he certainly didn't have a problem coming pretty close to doing so).

Adolf Hitler was a Nazi, which is the illegitimate child of socialism and fascism, but is properly classified as neither.

All of these people tried to obliterate civilizations not good enough for them,


No, they didn't. Genghis Khan and Attila were doing what their culture always did: Conquer. There was no goal in mind besides conquest. They didn't care if the civilizations they were conquering were "good enough" for them, because they didn't care enough about any civilization but their own to actively proceed in trying to erase this civilizations from history. Both of their realms were actually very multicultural. Richard didn't try to destroy a civilization at all. Stalin didn't try to destroy any civilizations, he just didn't try not to either. Hitler didn't care about any civilization but Germany, and like Attila and Genghis Khan didn't care if they were "good enough" for them.

So not only is God potentially fascist, but is his army imperialist?


Fascism has nothing to do with destroying civilizations, and nonbelievers aren't a civilization. God doesn't have an army either, because that would go against his very own teachings.

My reason for him being fascist is that everyone must worship him forever in heaven.


Fascism is about state worship, not god worship.

It's Kim Jong Uns wet dream.


Who is also not a fascist.

Singing hallelujah around God for all eternity sounds like something out of 1930s Germany.


Where the fuck are you even getting this from?

My other thought is, is God communist?


No, because God doesn't prescribe to human ideology.

I'm not talking Marxist or Leninist like the Soviet Union,


That's socialism, not communism.

I'm talking pure communism where everyone is treated equally.


Which also exists in socialism.

Like what heaven is supposed to be like; everyone treated fairly.


Equal and fair treatment is not a purely socialist and/or communist belief.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon May 09, 2016 6:42 am

Kar-Esseria wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:No. God created all humans in his image.


What does that have to do with fascism?


Fascism is very discriminatory.

God says all humans are equal.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon May 09, 2016 6:43 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Kar-Esseria wrote:
What does that have to do with fascism?


Fascism is very discriminatory.

God says all humans are equal.


Unless, of course, you are LGBT or female.
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Mon May 09, 2016 6:49 am

Herskerstad wrote:
Kar-Esseria wrote:
Writers, and yes, the Bible was indeed forged by and for politics.


That's fascinating. I guess Paul telling the Christians in Rome even to be subject to Nero of all people must have been a clever guise to grant them political power as they were used as human torches all along.


Paul didn't make the Bible.
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Postby Kar-Esseria » Mon May 09, 2016 6:51 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Fascism is very discriminatory.


No it isn't.

Fascists can be very discriminatory, but fascism itself is not. Common misconception.

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Fascism is very discriminatory.

God says all humans are equal.


Unless, of course, you are LGBT or female.


No, they're equal too.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon May 09, 2016 6:54 am

Kar-Esseria wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Fascism is very discriminatory.


No it isn't.

Fascists can be very discriminatory, but fascism itself is not. Common misconception.


Yes, it is. Fascism inherently puts more value on people of one nationality over another. Every fascists regime in history discriminated against minorities.

Kar-Esseria wrote:
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Unless, of course, you are LGBT or female.


No, they're equal too.


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Postby Cetacea » Mon May 09, 2016 6:56 am

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Fascism is very discriminatory.

God says all humans are equal.


Unless, of course, you are LGBT or female.


God doesn't say anything about LGBT - God condemns a particular sexual practice not gender

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