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Social Injustice
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Gender appropriation?

Postby Social Injustice » Thu May 05, 2016 6:12 pm

As the problem of cultural appropriation (such as the wearing of Native American headdresses by insensitive hipsters) is being rightfully shamed; it lead me to question the idea of gender appropriation.

There exists many gay and transsexual men adopting feminine traits and "identifying" as Women; yet however sincere they may be, why are they allowed to appropriate the identity of women, when in truth they can have little (if any) true idea of what it is to be a Woman? At best their knowledge of the problems, and persecution of Women is not only academic, but also viewed from a position of male privilege.

An example of this could be that of "Caitlin" Jenner who seems to have used this to not only promote the media attention (and Ratings) of "The Kardashians", but perhaps to distract from His court case involving the death resulting from His reckless driving.
This example also leads to the question of those disingenuous enough to use this as a way to escape from checking their privilege.

So what do you think about this NS?

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Postby The East Marches » Thu May 05, 2016 6:15 pm

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Postby Valaran » Thu May 05, 2016 6:16 pm

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu May 05, 2016 6:19 pm

That gender roles should not exist and that people should act and dress whatever way they want as long as they are not harming anyone. Cultures spread and change through contact, with people taking up ideas from other people they have met. This is one of the ways religions spread. I see no problem with it.

Oh and, you are acting like being trans is not a real thing.
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Postby AiliailiA » Thu May 05, 2016 6:23 pm

A few men were aggrieved when women "appropriated" male "cultural property" like wearing trousers and voting. But ultimately we men were OK with it.

Women who resent losing female "cultural property" like wearing dresses or having a high-pitched voice, should rightly be seen now as a lunatic fringe. We had that argument a century ago and the bigots lost.
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Postby The balkens » Thu May 05, 2016 6:26 pm

Oh my fucking god.

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Postby Yottaverse » Thu May 05, 2016 6:27 pm

Ailiailia wrote:A few men were aggrieved when women "appropriated" male "cultural property" like wearing trousers and voting. But ultimately we men were OK with it.

Women who resent losing female "cultural property" like wearing dresses or having a high-pitched voice, should rightly be seen now as a lunatic fringe. We had that argument a century ago and the bigots lost.

Pretty much what I would have said had you not beat me to it.

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Postby Targovia » Thu May 05, 2016 6:29 pm

Oh boy, here comes the needless flaming and radical feminists...
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Postby Big Brain City » Thu May 05, 2016 6:31 pm

they're gonna know what it means to be a woman the moment they pass for one.
trust me. i taught them what it means to be a woman.
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Postby Souseiseki » Thu May 05, 2016 6:33 pm

Social Injustice wrote:As the problem of cultural appropriation (such as the wearing of Native American headdresses by insensitive hipsters) is being rightfully shamed; it lead me to question the idea of gender appropriation.

There exists many gay and transsexual men adopting feminine traits and "identifying" as Women; yet however sincere they may be, why are they allowed to appropriate the identity of women, when in truth they can have little (if any) true idea of what it is to be a Woman? At best their knowledge of the problems, and persecution of Women is not only academic, but also viewed from a position of male privilege.

An example of this could be that of "Caitlin" Jenner who seems to have used this to not only promote the media attention (and Ratings) of "The Kardashians", but perhaps to distract from His court case involving the death resulting from His reckless driving.
This example also leads to the question of those disingenuous enough to use this as a way to escape from checking their privilege.

So what do you think about this NS?


if womanhood is defied by experience then after a certain amount of time the majority of a passing transwoman's social experiences become indistinguishable from a non-fertile ciswoman. the earlier this happens the more profound the effect.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Thu May 05, 2016 6:34 pm

Yes, yes, we must protect womanhood. We need to take a stand against activities that appropriate the culture of the other gender. Men will be men and women will be women, for feminism!
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Postby The Althing Confederacy » Thu May 05, 2016 6:34 pm

Wow!
Wow...
...I mean.. Let me say... WOW!
I sincerely hope this is the beginning of the SJW movement eating each other alive!

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Postby Kelinfort » Thu May 05, 2016 6:34 pm

Bait.

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Postby Souseiseki » Thu May 05, 2016 6:35 pm

The Althing Confederacy wrote:Wow!
Wow...
...I mean.. Let me say... WOW!
I sincerely hope this is the beginning of the SJW movement eating each other alive!


this has literally fuck all to do with SJWs and is an argument that has been happening since before the term SJW ever existed or you were ever born. i would go as far as to say the fact you appear to think this is something new and have not encountered it before is nothing but a testament to general inexperience.
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Postby New haven america » Thu May 05, 2016 6:37 pm

Ban males. *Nod*
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Postby Freedom in Unition » Thu May 05, 2016 6:39 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Oh and, you are acting like being trans is not a real thing.

Science has proven it's simply a mental disorder.
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Postby Big Brain City » Thu May 05, 2016 6:40 pm

Freedom in Unition wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Oh and, you are acting like being trans is not a real thing.

Science has proven it's simply a mental disorder.

you presume that mental disorders are all equally alike and represent a detraction from reality.
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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu May 05, 2016 6:42 pm

Kelinfort wrote:Bait.

OP, I'm proud of you.


Yeeeep. 3 post nation spouting TERF-ism with the account name 'Social Injustice'? Obvious really.

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Postby Senkaku » Thu May 05, 2016 6:42 pm

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Postby Cresadine » Thu May 05, 2016 6:42 pm

Freedom in Unition wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Oh and, you are acting like being trans is not a real thing.

Science has proven it's simply a mental disorder.

I'm sorry, but where?
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Postby Yottaverse » Thu May 05, 2016 6:43 pm

New haven america wrote:Ban males. *Nod*


Hear, hear!

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Postby Vatyrzom » Thu May 05, 2016 6:43 pm

Ah, but the term gender appropriation is itself linguistic appropriation of the term cultural appropriation.

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Postby Aparatix » Thu May 05, 2016 6:44 pm

I don't see anything wrong with cultural appropriation, and I think people should be able to behave however the fuck they want to.

On a related note, this thread....excites me.

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu May 05, 2016 6:44 pm

Freedom in Unition wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Oh and, you are acting like being trans is not a real thing.

Science has proven it's simply a mental disorder.


Science disagrees with you. Although, what is wrong with a mental disorder?
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Postby True Refuge » Thu May 05, 2016 6:44 pm

Cresadine wrote:
Freedom in Unition wrote:Science has proven it's simply a mental disorder.

I'm sorry, but where?


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