by Infected Mushroom » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:22 pm
by The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:24 pm
by Ugatoo » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:24 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:A lot of attention is drawn towards categories of discrimination such as racism and Islamophobia. And to a great extent those issues are not to be understated.
However, discrimination operates in more sinister and subtle ways as well. A person could face all sorts of subtle or direct social sanctions for getting involved in other ''socially questionable'' but ultimately harmless activities. A person who explores their options may find themselves a pariah. A person who was found to have visited a sex shop might find themselves ostracised. A person could be blackmailed because of their closeted sexuality or private preferences. Even in places where prostitution is entirely legal, it could carry grim social repercussions if one were to become associated with the act. A person involved in drugs (even ones that don't impair cognitive functions significantly at all) might find it very difficult to find work.
A person could be fired, blackmailed, or ostracised for all sorts of reasons. Discrimination operates in subtle ways and the categories are quite boundless.
I propose that we make it a Social Injustice offence to discriminate against other people or to treat other people prejudicially on the basis of their personal preferences. It would become a criminal offence to engage in any form of discrimination. To help with enforcement, there would be a national data base to keep track of all offenders. There would also be a system whereby citizens will be rewarded if they report another person and it leads to a successful conviction. Upon the issuance of a report, a highly specialised government committee would be required to launch a through investigation to see if the complainant's claim has any merit. The accused's rights would remain but if found guilty, the reporting party would get a reward, while the person convicted would face criminal penalties.
The advantages of the system in my view are numerous.1. It encourages regular citizens to become the watchful eyes of the government and the eyes of justice. While many citizens will simply be motivated by the financial rewards, in time this will help inculcate the citizenry (perhaps subconsciously) with a new morality that strongly cries out against arbitrary discrimination
2. The incidence of blackmail and arbitrary social condemnation should go down; it simply wouldn't be worth it to have to deal with the troublesome government investigations that may follow such an action; citizens all over the world would feel safer to live their lives as they see fit
3. Having a system that largely relies on reports from the regular citizens cuts down on the costs for enforcement and the rights infringements against the citizenry that may be argued to result from a wider policing effort would be largely mitigated
4. Freedom would be maximised in the sense that everyone will be able to live the life they wish without fear of unjust discrimination or insidious social sanctions (unless they personally wish to discriminate of course, then they are the villains)
What do you think?
Would such a policy be in the general best interests of society?
In my view, it evidently is.
by Nirvash Type TheEND » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:25 pm
by Valystria » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:25 pm
by The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:26 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:This is all your fault Galloism.
by Mienon » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:27 pm
by Hugdom » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:28 pm
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:You know this system sounds nice on paper, but forgets that vigilantism could become a problem, and the fact people lie. How can we trust just the persons word alone without something to back that up?
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:29 pm
Mienon wrote:First of all, a database of everyone who has ever been discriminatory would include basically the entire population. Plus this would hardly help, few people would report something like this, and no one's going to stop being a bigot because of a couple of laws.
by The Serbian Empire » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:29 pm
Ugatoo wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:A lot of attention is drawn towards categories of discrimination such as racism and Islamophobia. And to a great extent those issues are not to be understated.
However, discrimination operates in more sinister and subtle ways as well. A person could face all sorts of subtle or direct social sanctions for getting involved in other ''socially questionable'' but ultimately harmless activities. A person who explores their options may find themselves a pariah. A person who was found to have visited a sex shop might find themselves ostracised. A person could be blackmailed because of their closeted sexuality or private preferences. Even in places where prostitution is entirely legal, it could carry grim social repercussions if one were to become associated with the act. A person involved in drugs (even ones that don't impair cognitive functions significantly at all) might find it very difficult to find work.
A person could be fired, blackmailed, or ostracised for all sorts of reasons. Discrimination operates in subtle ways and the categories are quite boundless.
I propose that we make it a Social Injustice offence to discriminate against other people or to treat other people prejudicially on the basis of their personal preferences. It would become a criminal offence to engage in any form of discrimination. To help with enforcement, there would be a national data base to keep track of all offenders. There would also be a system whereby citizens will be rewarded if they report another person and it leads to a successful conviction. Upon the issuance of a report, a highly specialised government committee would be required to launch a through investigation to see if the complainant's claim has any merit. The accused's rights would remain but if found guilty, the reporting party would get a reward, while the person convicted would face criminal penalties.
The advantages of the system in my view are numerous.1. It encourages regular citizens to become the watchful eyes of the government and the eyes of justice. While many citizens will simply be motivated by the financial rewards, in time this will help inculcate the citizenry (perhaps subconsciously) with a new morality that strongly cries out against arbitrary discrimination
2. The incidence of blackmail and arbitrary social condemnation should go down; it simply wouldn't be worth it to have to deal with the troublesome government investigations that may follow such an action; citizens all over the world would feel safer to live their lives as they see fit
3. Having a system that largely relies on reports from the regular citizens cuts down on the costs for enforcement and the rights infringements against the citizenry that may be argued to result from a wider policing effort would be largely mitigated
4. Freedom would be maximised in the sense that everyone will be able to live the life they wish without fear of unjust discrimination or insidious social sanctions (unless they personally wish to discriminate of course, then they are the villains)
What do you think?
Would such a policy be in the general best interests of society?
In my view, it evidently is.
This system is already more or less in place, have you ever been on social media and see how people react to everything?
by Galloism » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:29 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:This is all your fault Galloism.
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:29 pm
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by The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:29 pm
Hugdom wrote:The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:You know this system sounds nice on paper, but forgets that vigilantism could become a problem, and the fact people lie. How can we trust just the persons word alone without something to back that up?
It's called innocent till proven guilty. However in our increasingly culturally biased and sensitive society with a hyper focus on social media, innocent till proven guilty is being done away with slowly but surely.
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:30 pm
by Galloism » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:30 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Mienon wrote:First of all, a database of everyone who has ever been discriminatory would include basically the entire population. Plus this would hardly help, few people would report something like this, and no one's going to stop being a bigot because of a couple of laws.
You would be surprised at what people are willing to do for a solid serving of cold hard cash
I don't think you need to worry about the lack of reports
by Mienon » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:30 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Mienon wrote:First of all, a database of everyone who has ever been discriminatory would include basically the entire population. Plus this would hardly help, few people would report something like this, and no one's going to stop being a bigot because of a couple of laws.
You would be surprised at what people are willing to do for a solid serving of cold hard cash
I don't think you need to worry about the lack of reports
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:30 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:32 pm
Mienon wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
You would be surprised at what people are willing to do for a solid serving of cold hard cash
I don't think you need to worry about the lack of reports
1. Again, my point on expense.
2. Yes, we'll have to worry about a lack of legitimate reports and an overflow of false ones.
by Galloism » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:32 pm
by Povinksi » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:32 pm
by Mienon » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:32 pm
by Flecatya » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:32 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:A lot of attention is drawn towards categories of discrimination such as racism and Islamophobia. And to a great extent those issues are not to be understated.
However, discrimination operates in more sinister and subtle ways as well. A person could face all sorts of subtle or direct social sanctions for getting involved in other ''socially questionable'' but ultimately harmless activities. A person who explores their options may find themselves a pariah. A person who was found to have visited a sex shop might find themselves ostracised. A person could be blackmailed because of their closeted sexuality or private preferences. Even in places where prostitution is entirely legal, it could carry grim social repercussions if one were to become associated with the act. A person involved in drugs (even ones that don't impair cognitive functions significantly at all) might find it very difficult to find work.
A person could be fired, blackmailed, or ostracised for all sorts of reasons. Discrimination operates in subtle ways and the categories are quite boundless.
I propose that we make it a Social Injustice offence to discriminate against other people or to treat other people prejudicially on the basis of their personal preferences. It would become a criminal offence to engage in any form of discrimination. To help with enforcement, there would be a national data base to keep track of all offenders. There would also be a system whereby citizens will be rewarded if they report another person and it leads to a successful conviction. Upon the issuance of a report, a highly specialised government committee would be required to launch a through investigation to see if the complainant's claim has any merit. The accused's rights would remain but if found guilty, the reporting party would get a reward, while the person convicted would face criminal penalties.
The advantages of the system in my view are numerous.
1. It encourages regular citizens to become the watchful eyes and ears of the government and instruments of justice. While many citizens will simply be motivated by the financial rewards, in time this will help inculcate the citizenry (perhaps subconsciously) with a new morality that strongly cries out against arbitrary discrimination
2. The incidence of blackmail and arbitrary social condemnation should go down; it simply wouldn't be worth it to have to deal with the troublesome government investigations that may follow such an action; citizens all over the world would feel safer to live their lives as they see fit
3. Having a system that largely relies on reports from the regular citizens cuts down on the costs for enforcement and the rights infringements against the citizenry that may be argued to result from a wider policing effort; these disadvantages would be largely mitigated
4. Freedom would be maximised in the sense that everyone will be able to live the life they wish without fear of unjust discrimination or insidious social sanctions (unless they personally wish to discriminate of course, then they are the villains)
What do you think?
Would such a policy be in the general best interests of society?
In my view, it evidently is.
by The Serbian Empire » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:33 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:The Serbian Empire wrote:It doesn't stop soft discrimination such as ostracism. A firing can be easily justified with a multitude of reasons.
Indeed.
Also, social media doesn't have the full backing of the government; also, sometimes they go overboard, the state would act as a moderating influence and a firm guiding hand
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:33 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Mienon wrote:1. Again, my point on expense.
2. Yes, we'll have to worry about a lack of legitimate reports and an overflow of false ones.
1. Whatever expense is incurred, is worthwhile in the name of positive social transformation
2. It would give something to do for the police officers who are too busy enjoying their donut shifts; it would also help with unemployment in general
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