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Postby Kazirstan » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:22 pm

1967 Outer Space Treaty prohibits any commercial exploitation of space, law professor says

U.S. President Barack Obama signed legislation on Wednesday providing a framework for space companies to mine ore from asteroids and other bodies, but legal critics are worried the measure could lead to violations of international law.

The Space Resource Exploration and Utilization Act gives any American who successfully extracts natural resources from outer space the property rights over the haul.

That could mean anything from water found in asteroids as blocks of ice to iron or platinum from near-Earth objects. And the profits could be huge.

But it has long been agreed between countries that outer space is not to become another Wild West, some legal scholars argue, and the new law risks privatizing a realm that is meant to belong to all of humanity.

"My view is that natural resources [in space] should not be allowed to be appropriated by anyone — states, private companies, or international organizations," said Ram Jakhu, a professor at McGill University's institute of air and space law.

He said the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, signed by the U.S. and other countries, makes it clear that the surfaces and contents of asteroids and other celestial bodies are protected from commercial harvesting.

The treaty's Article 2 reads, "Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means."

That view isn't unanimous among legal scholars, however. Some say small asteroids don't qualify as "celestial bodies," while others say it's not "appropriating" an asteroid to extract minerals from it. And the new law does contain a clause making it clear the U.S. isn't asserting sovereignty or exclusive rights over any celestial body.

But Jakhu said the overarching purpose of the treaty is clear from its first clause, which reads: "The exploration and use of outer space … shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries … and shall be the province of all mankind."

"There really shouldn't be any private property rights in outer space," he said.

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Already two U.S. West Coast companies — Planetary Resources and Deep Space Industries — are developing technology to identify asteroids suitable for mining.

The payoffs could be immense, with the raw value of the ores from an average-sized mineral-rich space object estimated to be worth hundreds of billions of dollars.

U.S. politicians supporting the new law see it as opening up a new and potentially vast economic frontier.

"This bill is the future of space," Congressman Lamar Smith of Texas, a Republican, said during debate in the U.S. House of Representatives. "This bill will encourage the private sector to build rockets, to take risks and to shoot for the heavens [and] facilitates a pro-growth environment for the developing commercial space sector."

Supporters have gone so far as to say that mining certain key ores from asteroids will allow the U.S. to phase out reliance on the foreign and sometimes unfriendly countries it imports the same resources from now.

The bill's opponents in Congress are worried it's too much too soon.

Speaking in the U.S. House against the legislation, Representative Donna Edwards, a Maryland Democratic, said that while she shares in "the enthusiasm and the wonder of space," there is insufficient oversight right now to make sure companies don't run afoul of the U.S.'s international obligations. A space-law expert she cited from the University of Mississippi agreed that giving rights over asteroid resources would go against the global space treaty.

Ultimately, though, whether companies would put the U.S. in violation of international law by mining asteroids could be immaterial for practical purposes: There's no enforcement mechanism in the Outer Space Treaty, and even if there were, few countries would likely care enough about some cobalt taken from a comet to impose economic or other sanctions.

"In that situation, I don't think anybody can do anything about it," Jakhu said. "That is the world we live in — might is right."

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I don't like this, I don't think there should be private property in space, any space mining carried out should benefit all of humankind, not just the rich. I do think we should start mining space, maybe we could stop screwing up our own planet so much. What the profits from such space mining should go to? Perhaps it could be reinvested into space exploration and research, or perhaps given to impoverished people in developing countries.

So what to do you think NationStates General?

About the new law? About the prospect of space privatization? About space mining in general?

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Postby Polar Svalbard » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:25 pm

The best way to generate interest and the furthering of spae exploration is to allow people to make bank from it. It will also help economies down here, and generate better space tech for all... Good job Obama
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:27 pm

The thing is it does benefit all of mankind except the unfriendly nations who are the sole suppliers of some minerals by lowering the costs of said material by increasing the supply.
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Postby Kraylandia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:33 pm

Surely it cost more to actually travel to space and mine than the amount they would make back from it? Not really worth it in my opinion, but whatever. Not that politicians have brains anyway.
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Postby Kazirstan » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:35 pm

Kraylandia wrote:Surely it cost more to actually travel to space and mine than the amount they would make back from it? Not really worth it in my opinion, but whatever. Not that politicians have brains anyway.

It's not viable at the moment. But within a few decades, maybe even one, it could be. Space travel is slowly getting cheaper.

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Postby Kraylandia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:36 pm

Kazirstan wrote:
Kraylandia wrote:Surely it cost more to actually travel to space and mine than the amount they would make back from it? Not really worth it in my opinion, but whatever. Not that politicians have brains anyway.

It's not viable at the moment. But within a few decades, maybe even one, it could be. Space travel is slowly getting cheaper.


What's the point of signing the laws right now, then? The President has better issues to concentrate on.
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:36 pm

Kraylandia wrote:Surely it cost more to actually travel to space and mine than the amount they would make back from it? Not really worth it in my opinion, but whatever. Not that politicians have brains anyway.

The minerals you could find on asteroids can be more than that of all the supplies on earth of that material, such as gold or plantinum. You can make bank, well worth the cost
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Postby Kazirstan » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:39 pm

Kraylandia wrote:
Kazirstan wrote:It's not viable at the moment. But within a few decades, maybe even one, it could be. Space travel is slowly getting cheaper.


What's the point of signing the laws right now, then? The President has better issues to concentrate on.

I guess it's just pre-emptive. They know that space mining will be viable in the near-future, so might as well pass legislation allowing it while you can. And I'm sure this didn't take up too much of your president's time.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:40 pm

Polar Svalbard wrote:The best way to generate interest and the furthering of spae exploration is to allow people to make bank from it. It will also help economies down here, and generate better space tech for all... Good job Obama


Yeah, this. There's only so much a government is willing to do for the sake science and private companies are thus far only interested in space flights. By not letting anyone make a quick buck off celestial bodies, the only other reason I would think would-be pioneers would go is the demise of the Earth itself. I mean, if Britain and the Old World agreed that the New World was the collective territory of mankind and that no government or private body could claim it, nobody would go except for those religious fanatics and those really desperate. We really don't have many of those that can make it into space.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:41 pm

And of course mining debris raining on the Earth. Much fun.
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Postby Kraylandia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:42 pm

Kazirstan wrote:
Kraylandia wrote:
What's the point of signing the laws right now, then? The President has better issues to concentrate on.

I guess it's just pre-emptive. They know that space mining will be viable in the near-future, so might as well pass legislation allowing it while you can. And I'm sure this didn't take up too much of your president's time.


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Postby Cybraxia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:43 pm

Gauthier wrote:And of course mining debris raining on the Earth. Much fun.


Chances are that they're just gonna burn up in atmo. Cause a pretty lightshow at the most.

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Postby Kazirstan » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:43 pm

Kraylandia wrote:
Kazirstan wrote:I guess it's just pre-emptive. They know that space mining will be viable in the near-future, so might as well pass legislation allowing it while you can. And I'm sure this didn't take up too much of your president's time.


Oh he's not my President. I'm a Brit.

Oh, my bad! I just assumed...

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Cybraxia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:And of course mining debris raining on the Earth. Much fun.


Chances are that they're just gonna burn up in atmo. Cause a pretty lightshow at the most.


And even if it doesn't turn into a Michael Bay film, there's probably all sorts of fun trace elements and contaminants that'll make it past re-entry and add a little seasoning to the water.
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Postby Kraylandia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:45 pm

Kazirstan wrote:
Kraylandia wrote:
Oh he's not my President. I'm a Brit.

Oh, my bad! I just assumed...


Yeah, don't worry about it. Happens a lot. But yes, I get what you mean about it being pre-emptive, but still.
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Cybraxia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:And of course mining debris raining on the Earth. Much fun.


Chances are that they're just gonna burn up in atmo. Cause a pretty lightshow at the most.

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Postby Cybraxia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:45 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Cybraxia wrote:
Chances are that they're just gonna burn up in atmo. Cause a pretty lightshow at the most.


And even if it doesn't turn into a Michael Bay film, there's probably all sorts of fun trace elements and contaminants that'll make it past re-entry and add a little seasoning to the water.


Not anymore than usual.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:50 pm

Wooo! Space mining! Now we can gather sufficent resources to build a space fleet. :) now we just need a space elevator, among a few other things... :twisted:
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:54 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:Wooo! Space mining! Now we can gather sufficent resources to build a space fleet. :) now we just need a space elevator, among a few other things... :twisted:

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:00 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Wooo! Space mining! Now we can gather sufficent resources to build a space fleet. :) now we just need a space elevator, among a few other things... :twisted:

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Yeah.....humanity.....(shall be destroyed!) :twisted:
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Postby Northern Freikur » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:03 pm

We should privatize space mining. Eventually we'll run out of stuff here. Also, it can stimulate our economy, given some time...
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Postby Kraylandia » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:03 pm

Northern Freikur wrote:We should privatize space mining. Eventually we'll run out of stuff here.


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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:05 pm

Northern Freikur wrote:We should privatize space mining. Eventually we'll run out of stuff here. Also, it can stimulate our economy, given some time...


That's not how physics works.
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:08 pm

Northern Freikur wrote:We should privatize space mining. Eventually we'll run out of stuff here. Also, it can stimulate our economy, given some time...

You're completely right, only good can come out of this
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:09 pm

Polar Svalbard wrote:
Northern Freikur wrote:We should privatize space mining. Eventually we'll run out of stuff here. Also, it can stimulate our economy, given some time...

You're completely right, only good can come out of this


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