[CLOSED] Repeal Commend The Red Fleet

[The German Democratic Reich]

A new edit has been made,

Authors: The German Democratic Reich and Imperium Anglorum

The Security Council,
Noting that the Red Fleet has been active since 2010 as a militant region dedicated to combating ideological enemies,
Acknowledging their recent commendation by this Council,
Recalling that the Red Fleet has been shown to be an aggressive militant force since its founding and has taken over many innocent regions, such as Libertarian and New Republica for being barely involved with enemies of the fleet.
Realising the current commendation of the Red Fleet is a self-commendation proposed by a member state who is heavily aligned with the Red Fleet,
Remembering that many peaceful regions outside the sphere of fascism(like the Anti Authoritarian Alliance,)have been raided and destroyed by the Red Fleet, including capitalist regions with no affilation with raiding groups,
Believing the Red Fleet to be a militant raiding region driven by ideology much like previously condemned regions and deserves no commendation, especially one written by a member of the fleet itself.
Hereby repeals "Commend The Red Fleet".

Any critiques on this current one would be appreciated. Thank you for input Conservative Idealism.

[Wrapper]

If this isn't a repeal then you should probably take out "deserves no commendation". That's a repeal argument, not an argument for condemnation.

Also you have a "where" instead of a "were" in the fifth line.

No comments at this time as far as the merit of doing this, I'll leave that to the GPers for now.

[The German Democratic Reich]

If this isn't a repeal then you should probably take out "deserves no commendation". That's a repeal argument, not an argument for condemnation.

Also you have a "where" instead of a "were" in the fifth line.

No comments at this time as far as the merit of doing this, I'll leave that to the GPers for now.

Thank you. Fixed that error and made it a repeal

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Also "commendation" spelt incorrectly in the last line.

Also possibly amend the title to "Repeal Commend The Red Fleet" - the resolution you are hoping to repeal is "Commend The Red Fleet".

[The German Democratic Reich]

Thank you all for the helpful advice, I'm new to writing these.

[Rusozak]

It's been while since I've seen (or at least payed attention to) a commendation resolution that wasn't overwhelming one-sided in the polls, so I do think there is definitely a case for it.

I'm no rule expert, but is the mentioning of roleplay allowed in proposals?

[Sedgistan]

I'm no rule expert, but is the mentioning of roleplay allowed in proposals?

The word "roleplay" can't be used, as it'd fall foul of Rule 4. However, citing actions that a nation has RPed (e.g. invasion of Examplestania, execution of citizens and so on) is fine.

[Tuvan ASSR]

It is not self-promotion! I was nearly kicked out of my army (which is, mind you, a Red Fleet squadron, but only after the proposal was submitted) for refusing to attack a region that had a friend in it and again for callling for a complete purge of a Red Fleet squadron.

[Godless Munky]

Any group that commits itself to fighting fascists & nazis as a top priority should be commended. There are not nearly enough committed & motivated groups on NS doing this much needed work.

And of course there is an ideological motivation for this, as fighting extreme reactionaries & bigots is core tenet of all the radical leftists drawn to join TRF.

The fact that the anarchists & communists that make up TRF are committed to fighting fascists & nazis year round, and not just when it suits them, or for the largest, "most exciting" ops is not a failure of TRF or its members. It's a failure of the rest of NS.

The fact that so much of NS is satisfied with largely tolerating & ignoring the fascists & nazis on NS, while TRF does not, is not a moral failure of TRF. Its a moral failure of all the parts of NS that finds TRF's actions objectionable.

[Sternberg]

Leaving the stupidity of the "left vs right" bull-dust I keep hearing from seemingly everyone at the door, the simple fact of the matter is that this repeal (on balance) is attempting to address a glaring omission which has skewed the debate when the original Commendation proposal was put forward. To requote my WA alter-ego, I put forward these questions to both the senior Red Fleet leadership and to those more knowledgeable about their activities directly:

Does the Red Fleet confirm or deny that ALL activity carried out in its name has been sanctioned by the highest authorities in their government/organisation?

If "Yes", than is it justifiable before this international body if there are glaring omissions in the Red Fleet's record that have been failed to be addressed, which would otherwise affect a positive or negative perception of the previously-passed Commendation bill? Indeed, if these allegations of omission are true, have they been addressed at all?

If "No", then has the Red Fleet's gameplay element effectively lost control of their members, or is there any evidence for or against allegations that they are deliberately perpetuating a false double-standard while hiding behind a black-and-white political dichotomy?

I do not question the politics of the matter, as that seems to be all but brazen, but I do question the merits of the bill that this Repeal Bill is attempting to ... well, repeal.

EDIT:

The drafter seems to have a sound structure so far, but perhaps the clause regarding the Red Fleet's activities could be enhanced with one or more cited examples of other regions that the Red Fleet has 'raided' outside of their nominally "anti-fascist" stance?

[Chostea]

Any group that commits itself to fighting fascists & nazis as a top priority should be commended. There are not nearly enough committed & motivated groups on NS doing this much needed work.

I think anyone who fights the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria should be commended, there are not nearly enough committed & motivated groups in the world doing this much needed work. Let's start with giving a clap to Assad.

[Anima Gentem]

I thought we were here to discuss a proposition not point out the errors of his grammar. With these points in mind, I say it's a pretty good argument for the repeal

[The German Democratic Reich]

Any group that commits itself to fighting fascists & nazis as a top priority should be commended. There are not nearly enough committed & motivated groups on NS doing this much needed work.

And of course there is an ideological motivation for this, as fighting extreme reactionaries & bigots is core tenet of all the radical leftists drawn to join TRF.

The fact that the anarchists & communists that make up TRF are committed to fighting fascists & nazis year round, and not just when it suits them, or for the largest, "most exciting" ops is not a failure of TRF or its members. It's a failure of the rest of NS.

The fact that so much of NS is satisfied with largely tolerating & ignoring the fascists & nazis on NS, while TRF does not, is not a moral failure of TRF. Its a moral failure of all the parts of NS that finds TRF's actions objectionable.

The WA should be more apolitical. The WA condemns raiding, and we shouldnt promote raiders. No matter what their ideology. Saying one group of raiders is better than the other because of their ideology is foolish.

[Indian Empire]

The Security Council,


Noting that The Red Fleet has been active since 2010 as a militant region dedicated to combating ideological enemies.

Acknowledging that a vote to commend the same region has been made in recent times.

Recalling the Red Fleet has been shown to be an aggressive militant force since its founding that has taken over many innocent regions in its name.

Realizing The current commendation of the Red Fleet is a self commendation and ideologically driven.

Affirming Many non-raiding regions were raided and destroyed by the Red Fleet, and so have many smaller capitalist regions with no affilation with raiding groups.

Confirming The Red Fleet is a militant raiding region driven by ideology and deserves no commendation.

Annoyed at how the Red Fleet has used a WA resolution for self promotion.


Hereby repeals Commend The Red Fleet

Bravo! Something actually Serious in the SC! I will help you in any way I can that is feasibly possible. Just ask. Wholeheartedly FOR this resolution.

[ii Darth Maul ii]

I would definitely mention the hypocrisy of the Red Fleet, as they have also been responsible for raiding some regions under a blatant lie. Libertarian was one such region.

[ii Darth Maul ii]

Any group that commits itself to fighting fascists & nazis as a top priority should be commended. There are not nearly enough committed & motivated groups on NS doing this much needed work.

And of course there is an ideological motivation for this, as fighting extreme reactionaries & bigots is core tenet of all the radical leftists drawn to join TRF.

The fact that the anarchists & communists that make up TRF are committed to fighting fascists & nazis year round, and not just when it suits them, or for the largest, "most exciting" ops is not a failure of TRF or its members. It's a failure of the rest of NS.

The fact that so much of NS is satisfied with largely tolerating & ignoring the fascists & nazis on NS, while TRF does not, is not a moral failure of TRF. Its a moral failure of all the parts of NS that finds TRF's actions objectionable.

You are choosing not to mention that the Fleet has done far more than invaded Fascist Regions. For that reason, most nations think you should not be commended.

[Godless Munky]

Any group that commits itself to fighting fascists & nazis as a top priority should be commended. There are not nearly enough committed & motivated groups on NS doing this much needed work.

And of course there is an ideological motivation for this, as fighting extreme reactionaries & bigots is core tenet of all the radical leftists drawn to join TRF.

The fact that the anarchists & communists that make up TRF are committed to fighting fascists & nazis year round, and not just when it suits them, or for the largest, "most exciting" ops is not a failure of TRF or its members. It's a failure of the rest of NS.

The fact that so much of NS is satisfied with largely tolerating & ignoring the fascists & nazis on NS, while TRF does not, is not a moral failure of TRF. Its a moral failure of all the parts of NS that finds TRF's actions objectionable.

You are choosing not to mention that the Fleet has done far more than invaded Fascist Regions. For that reason, most nations think you should not be commended.

1.) I am not a member of TRF.
2.) The non-fascist regions TRF has raided was REATO (an "alliance" that has declared a unilateral war on all leftists) aligned and the regions allied with them.
3.) Most nations obviously think TRF should be commended because it was..... by a large margin.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

This proposal will require detailed specific significant examples of regions that The Red Fleet have unfairly destroyed before it gets off the ground.

[ii Darth Maul ii]

You are choosing not to mention that the Fleet has done far more than invaded Fascist Regions. For that reason, most nations think you should not be commended.

1.) I am not a member of TRF.
2.) The non-fascist regions TRF has raided was REATO (an "alliance" that has declared a unilateral war on all leftists) aligned and the regions allied with them.
3.) Most nations obviously think TRF should be commended because it was..... by a large margin.

1. Ostensively, and for all intents and purposes, you are.
2. See, this is one reason why many think the Fleet should not be commended. The only connection Libertarian had with REATO when it was invaded was two embassies with REATO members, that was it. As a matter of fact, Libertarian was already planning to cut any contact with REATO before its second invasion. Don't exaggerate and say they were aligned or allied with REATO.
3. Mistake on my part, I meant to say moderates/slightly right. Irregardless, there are several WA Proposals that have been repealed after being voted in by a large margin, and I think more nations are getting the picture that this commendation was inherently flawed.

[ii Darth Maul ii]

I know this has already been said, but there probably has to be at least five distinct examples of regions that the Fleet has wrongly invaded.

[Misley]

Ostensively,

Beg your pardon?

and for all intents and purposes, you are.

That's not how membership in any organization works. Godless Monkey is not and has never been a member of The Red Fleet.

2. See, this is one reason why many think the Fleet should not be commended. The only connection Libertarian had with REATO when it was invaded was two embassies with REATO members, that was it. As a matter of fact, Libertarian was already planning to cut any contact with REATO before its second invasion. Don't exaggerate and say they were aligned or allied with REATO.

They had embassies with REATO members. That's very obviously an alignment. There was no public indication of cutting ties with REATO before the invasion, and it's not like it would have been difficult to start the embassies closing.

3. Mistake on my part, I meant to say moderates/slightly right. Irregardless, there are several WA Proposals that have been repealed after being voted in by a large margin, and I think more nations are getting the picture that this commendation was inherently flawed.

Nah, I'm pretty sure it's the same few nations that were always opposed to The Red Fleet bellyaching about it.

I know this has already been said, but there probably has to be at least five distinct examples of regions that the Fleet has wrongly invaded.

I'll wait while you compile the list.

[Small Huts]

This proposal will require detailed specific significant examples of regions that The Red Fleet have unfairly destroyed before it gets off the ground.

This

[ii Darth Maul ii]

Beg your pardon?

Auto-correct on my computer is weird, *ostensibly.

They had embassies with REATO members. That's very obviously an alignment. There was no public indication of cutting ties with REATO before the invasion, and it's not like it would have been difficult to start the embassies closing.

Really? So all the statements made by Libertarian about how they were not connected to us meant nothing?

Nah, I'm pretty sure it's the same few nations that were always opposed to The Red Fleet bellyaching about it.

Your opinion.

I'll wait while you compile the list.

You are talking to the wrong person here, I'm not writing the proposal. However, I know there are several examples, which others before me have already complied

[Soviet Catalonia]

Don't accept this, he is a Nazi. Of course it's ideologically driven, like all political regions.

[ii Darth Maul ii]

Don't accept this, he is a Nazi. Of course it's ideologically driven, like all political regions.

And there are some among us who would not like to see a militant left organization commended.