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Why didn't The united states Let The Soviets Conquer Afghani

Postby Redsection » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:01 pm

The title explains it all should america have let the soviets take over afghanistan,and possibly other middle eastern countries.To start with most terror groups as we know came from the mujhadeen,a rebel group backed by the united states and several other middle eastern allies,and after the soviet afghan war theese groups began to spread and create terror cells and insugencys that swore to wage war or as they called it Jihad agianst the west. If america let russia take over afghanistan in theroy terror groups could have less power than they currently do or perhaps they would be nonexistent,and the middle east might have become a bit more peaceful. So what do you think.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:04 pm

The Soviets did take over. They just couldn't hold it.

With hindsight we can say it was a bad idea. But at the time it was a way to undermine the Soviets.

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Postby Palakistan » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:04 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:The Soviets did take over. They just couldn't hold it.

With hindsight we can say it was a bad idea. But at the time it was a way to undermine the Soviets.

Emphasis on UNDERMINE THE SOVIETS.
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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:05 pm

The US opposed the Soviet conquest because of economic differences. I highly doubt the US would've supported the Muj had Russia not been communist.
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Postby Redsection » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:06 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:The Soviets did take over. They just couldn't hold it.

With hindsight we can say it was a bad idea. But at the time it was a way to undermine the Soviets.


so you are saying america funded the mujhadeen only to help further undermine the soviets,or was it revenge for russia aiding the nva.
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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:06 pm

Palakistan wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:The Soviets did take over. They just couldn't hold it.

With hindsight we can say it was a bad idea. But at the time it was a way to undermine the Soviets.

Emphasis on UNDERMINE THE SOVIETS.

Which can be good or bad to different people.
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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:06 pm

Redsection wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:The Soviets did take over. They just couldn't hold it.

With hindsight we can say it was a bad idea. But at the time it was a way to undermine the Soviets.


so you are saying america funded the mujhadeen only to help further undermine the soviets,or was it revenge for russia aiding the nva.

Both, really. The US just really, really hated Russia.
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Postby Mirakai » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:07 pm

Mainly because it was something the Soviets wanted. If the Soviets supported something, then America didn't, and vice-versa.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:07 pm

The reason why the Americans supplied the Afghanis was the same reason why the Russians supplied the Vietnamese, to undermine each other. There was this thing called the cold war back then.

Even if the Americans hadn't supplied them, the Chinese still did; and even if the Chinese did not supply them, the Mujahedeen would still have a ton of weaponry left over from the Red army. They would still be as powerful as they are today.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:08 pm

Redsection wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:The Soviets did take over. They just couldn't hold it.

With hindsight we can say it was a bad idea. But at the time it was a way to undermine the Soviets.


so you are saying america funded the mujhadeen only to help further undermine the soviets,or was it revenge for russia aiding the nva.

They funded them because they were fighting the Soviets yes. If they were pacifists who went around peacefully protesting the government I doubt they would have gotten the same support.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:08 pm

It was a mistake.

Had the Soviet forces prevailed, there would be no Taliban. The Soviets were actually the good guys.

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Postby Achesia » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:09 pm

Redsection wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:The Soviets did take over. They just couldn't hold it.

With hindsight we can say it was a bad idea. But at the time it was a way to undermine the Soviets.


so you are saying america funded the mujhadeen only to help further undermine the soviets,or was it revenge for russia aiding the nva.


No so much as revenge for aiding the NVA but as a continuing list of proxy conflicts that the US and USSR were involved in during the cold war. The US tried to stem the tide of communist uprisings in many different countries while at the same time trying to solidify many different governments to stop them from turning red.

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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:09 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:It was a mistake.

Had the Soviet forces prevailed, there would be no Taliban. The Soviets were actually the good guys.

Which they were in many situations.
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Postby Redsection » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:11 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:It was a mistake.

Had the Soviet forces prevailed, there would be no Taliban. The Soviets were actually the good guys.


well obviously,but why would the muj be so ungrateful to the united states,we did after all arm them agianst the russians yet we still suffered radical terror attacks.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:11 pm

Same reason why the Soviets and Chinese screwed with U.S efforts in Vietnam and Korea.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:12 pm

In hindsight, supporting the Mujahideen was a bad idea. Planning at the time didn't consider the consequences we're facing.
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Postby Redsection » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:12 pm

Achesia wrote:
Redsection wrote:
so you are saying america funded the mujhadeen only to help further undermine the soviets,or was it revenge for russia aiding the nva.


No so much as revenge for aiding the NVA but as a continuing list of proxy conflicts that the US and USSR were involved in during the cold war. The US tried to stem the tide of communist uprisings in many different countries while at the same time trying to solidify many different governments to stop them from turning red.


you wouldnt be refering to the redscare would you ? I thought that was only focused on central and south america not the middle east.
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Postby Alyakia » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:13 pm

they really didn't like communists
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:13 pm

Redsection wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:It was a mistake.

Had the Soviet forces prevailed, there would be no Taliban. The Soviets were actually the good guys.


well obviously,but why would the muj be so ungrateful to the united states,we did after all arm them agianst the russians yet we still suffered radical terror attacks.


because they have leaders who think like the Joker, they only want to watch the world burn... not to rebuild it. As a result, they'll aways go after the biggest fry because the fall of the biggest thing creates the biggest fire.

It was the Soviets back then, now its the USA.

The USA should never have affiliated themselves with such a dangerous and unpredictable organization.

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Postby Socialist Tera » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:13 pm

It wasn't an invasion, they were protecting the Afghanistan government from insurgents.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:13 pm

Geilinor wrote:In hindsight, supporting the Mujahideen was a bad idea. Planning at the time didn't consider the consequences we're facing.


not even in hindsight...

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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:13 pm

Redsection wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:It was a mistake.

Had the Soviet forces prevailed, there would be no Taliban. The Soviets were actually the good guys.


well obviously,but why would the muj be so ungrateful to the united states,we did after all arm them agianst the russians yet we still suffered radical terror attacks.

The Muj weren't taking the US aid because they liked the US; it is simply because they wanted more support in case they started losing. The Muj fought because they were radical Muslims who did not want to be ruled by a highly secular nation. And the US was not any better to them.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:13 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:It was a mistake.

Had the Soviet forces prevailed, there would be no Taliban. The Soviets were actually the good guys.

I don't support the Taliban. But the government obviously wasn't popular among people in Afghanistan. To say the Soviets were the good guys because they were fighting an organization that would later go on to fight the Americans makes sense from an American point of view I guess. But we can't say it would be better for everyone.

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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:15 pm

The reason why the Americans supplied the Afghanis was the same reason why the Russians supplied the Vietnamese, to undermine each other. There was this thing called the cold war back then.

Even if the Americans hadn't supplied them, the Chinese still did; and even if the Chinese did not supply them, the Mujahedeen would still have a ton of weaponry left over from the Red army. They would still be as powerful as they are today.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:15 pm

Same reason China didn't want the US taking Vietnam.
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