The New World Regional History Thread

by **Aeuria** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:12 pm

LET'S GET HISTORICAL

Hello lads and ladies, one and all, to a long overdue history thread for New World! If you are not a resident, you can apply here, however I ask you refrain from posting until you do so! Moving on!

This thread is dedicated for discussion of just about everything historical that happened in the region. From trade to colonial claims to war, this is your one-stop trip and destination to share those facts! Now, obviously we can't all have our ideal history, however this is the place to discuss and work out a common history everyone can be content with. I apologize for the short OP, but there's not much to say!

Major Talking Points (In no particular order):

Historical Land Claims (To figure out which empire owned what and when)
Wars (Who fought, why, and the resolution)
Global Conflicts (Any war that spilled out of a continent or involved many nations, ie WW2)
Alliances, Rivalries, Relations
General History (Ancient to modern)
Specific History (Major historical events in your nation)

And surely others I can't think of at the time of writing this but those are the biggies! No rules for this thread outside of keeping it civil and staying groovy! I, along with the regional moderators, will have the deciding say should we reach an impasse. But I'm sure that won't be necessary! Let's begin, shall we?

by **Dominion of New England** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:09 am

Ok. I think it would be a good idea to start from the beginning of civilization AKA the River Valleys. Egypt is the only true descendant of the ancient group, so we should begin there. I've already made a few factbooks for New Pharaonic Egypt, so if you have any ideas or things we should discuss, I'd recommend you look there first. I doubt because of how eager everyone is to discuss the history of their nations we will discuss too much about the ancient world, so let's try to fit as many holes as possible without going into history-book depth. Sound good?

by **Mascargo** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:09 am

Alright, gonna cover basic territory history of Mascargo right now.

The Kingdom of Mascargo was formed in 1093 AD by Vladim III after winning in the Andropov Succession War. At its earliest, the Kingdom of Mascargo strictly existed within the borders of Ukraine, the original kingdom itself actually along the coast around Crimea. By 1115, the entirety of Ukraine was united under the Kingdom of Mascargo.

The present-day mainland borders of Mascargo existed before 1554, but weren't fully ratified under one banner until when Boris I was coronated and proclaimed the creation of the Imperial Federation.

The overseas territory of the Azores was conquered in the late 1400s as the Black Sea Trading Company extended their reach further, coupled by a supporting noble family. The territory of Western Sahara was fought over with Nova Aralia, with Mascargo gaining the land in 1426. However, Western Sahara was lost in 1960 after four years of warfare with Nova Aralia resulted in Mascargoan troops being forced to evacuate and allowing Aralia to occupy the territory. The occupation lasted until 1977, whereas the threat of nuclear war encouraged a peace treaty between both sides and the return of the territory of Mascargo.

That's more-or-less the complete history of my land claims. Since I didn't really have a massive colonial empire, or one at all I suppose, my historic land claims match up with what I own right now really.

And for the question of why the majority of eastern Russia isn't under my control; there was likely a trade deal between New England and I in the 1800s to sell off the "useless" land. Maybe. Gotta work on that.

Now for rivalries, Mascargo has a long list of nations they don't necessarily care that much for. While we're part of the European Community, we have a strong distaste for the majority of Europe, especially nations like Alcase due to La Francophonie being a sizable alliance with contributions from many states. Mascargo of course has an intense rivalry with Aeuria that has fluctuated for years, with the current government immensely despising them for a number of reasons. On the other hand, Mascargo has a rivalry with Nova Aralia, but due to conflicting interests, we have occasionally been on the same side in conflicts. This would have fostered a more reluctant attitude in being rivals, in the sense of a gentlemen's agreement of war where both sides respect each other.

In a later post, following New England's "advice", I'll write up an ancient and somewhat more of a cultural history overlook of Mascargo over the years, since while Mascargo is the majority of old Imperial Russia, we have a lot of differences that should be noted.

by **Nova Aralia** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:05 am

To try and not have many posts over just one topic each, I'll try to fit as much stuff as possible in one post about my nation.

Historic Land Claims

Most of the territory that Nova Aralia owns now aligns with the historic colonial nations that they had formed in the past. One of the major talking points here would be South Africa, in which Carthage and I interchanged multiple times. South Africa would have been explored by Aralians prior to the 1300s, but without the proper logistics, no land was actually claimed and the expeditions there amounted to nothing more than botanical researches for the imperial body.

The War of Zulu-Nguni Aggression (1350-1368) was the first heavy conflict over South Africa after a successful colony was opened up on the coast. The war carried on for 18 years and through it, the Aralians were often fighting neck to neck with the natives, with resource shortages affecting their ability to crush the tribal nations of South Africa. In 1368, the Treaty of Neviomium ended the conflict under multiple conditions; the most important of which was the ceding of the southern coast of South Africa to Aralia. The north was allowed to remain under tribal law with the Zulu-Nguni tribes and for the most part, were left unbothered by the Aralian colonists. We Aralians don't break promises, you know.

Of course, the glorious Aralian occupation of South Africa couldn't go on forever and in 1441, the First Aralian-Punic War came to a close with Carthage successfully defeating Aralia's defense and forcing them to surrender South Africa. However, Carthage made the fatal error of assuming that we Aralians wouldn't be too upset over losing land that at the time functioned solely as a port we couldn't properly use. We were very mad, and between the years of 1460-1496, the Second Aralian-Punic War was fought and Carthage lost, the peace deal returning South Africa to the Empire.

But those goofy Carthaginians were pretty upset with the Sons of Rome rolling up on their lands and burning everything up just for South Africa and in 1503, the Third Aralian-Punic War was fought. Clearly we Aralians were too busy partying, because otherwise the Empire would have never lost to Carthage. But it did, and in 1514 the territory was once again ceded to them. Now, it stayed like that for a while, years passing before Aralia made another attempt to reclaim their glorified port territory.

But... let me tell you, in 1839 Aralia had finally had enough with looking at maps and seeing a smug Carthage colored all over South Africa and invaded with their infamous navy, blockading ports and just absolutely tearing everything up. They still write ballads about it to day. You know a war's bad when people write songs about it. Regardless, the Fourth Aralian-Punic War ended in 1846 and finally South Africa was ceded to Aralia, where it currently resides. In an act of good faith, and probably with the ulterior motive of cutting expenses down, the northern land was given back to the old Zulu-Nguni tribe after the Emperor decided that the Treaty of Neviomium was still valid and legally binding the Imperium.

Alliances, Rivals and Relations

To keep this from becoming a massive talking point area, I'll make everything concise and include a relations list for everyone to enjoy. Keep in mind, these will be the "In-Character" views that the Aralian people and government share towards a nation, written in an OOC context.

Aelturia - Not great relations. They're crazily religious and we've fought them historically multiple times.
Aeuria - Best buds. Seriously, we get right knackered all the time and our favorite past times are invading third-world countries. We're culturally similar, socially similar, our imperial government shares a similar philosophy on many things. We even had a monopoly way back in the good ol' days. *sniff*
Alcase - Decent relations I suppose. I mean, we don't entirely hate them, but we don't really do stuff with them unless glorious Aeuria does.
Asterdan - I guess? I mean, we probably trade with them, but who cares about Central America?
Carthage - OH BLOODY HELL IT'S CARTHAGE! HIDE THE KIDS. The relation between Carthage and Aralia is a bit like dealing with the annoying kid in class. You can't punch him because everyone will flip out, you'll go to the principle's office, and probably be expelled. Or nuked, because this is New World. The government puts up with them and tries to be friendly and cooperative, but we still just don't like them. It's nothing personal.
Daegan - I think they're poor. We don't do poor in Aralia.
New England - If these guys traded any more, we'd might actually have a problem. Pretty good relations, not to mention they probably trade a lot with us. So why fight when you can take a bath in hundreds? Ben Franks for days.
Ensoleilletat - We have trouble spelling it at times, but they're like baby Aeuria, so it's cool with us.
Ferith - AMERICA! AMERICA! FERITH? Yeah, big trade partners. We both like money, we both make stuff. Decent friends, even though Ferith is not about that alliance life.
Floydian Britain - There's not enough alcohol in the world to stand Pink Floyd.
Friedeck - Guns. A helluva lot of guns. We buy a load of guns from them, they make good guns. Trade is good. Life is good.
Libereca - Uh, I guess we have trade. They're pretty big, socialists too. We don't really care for socialists.
Mascargo - Our relationship with Mascargo is a bit like trudging through the battle-worn trenches of Europe, having to eat MREs instead of cavier, getting a terrible stomach ache, and sighing as your commander tells you to go charge the Mascargoans. They're doing the same, except with more Vodka. Then we both shake hands and have a dinner party. Like true gentlemen. Except they're communist.
Moncordia - Ice.
New Pharaonic Egypt - Man these guys are old, bit like us. I suppose we have decent relations, no real reasons for the Sons of Rome to despise Egyptians we never got to invade because Carthage ruined everything.
Pakxe Pact - I think they endorse terrorists? That's pretty bad. We'd still sell them guns.
Rafasid Caliphate - They sound socialist/communist and a caliphate? That's pretty intense. And they're close to us, so we probably keep decent relations - or the guns primed.
Great Warrior Rivers - Good relations, I think. Trade probably, and they're in the French alliance with Aeuria. Did I mention Aeuria?
Thozkovia - Oh man, a commonwealth. It's like the UK without Pink Floyd music. Doubt we'd hate them, seem sensible enough.
Neo-Joseon - Robots and Star Wars! They make crazy stuff in that country, and we'd probably want to buy their crazy stuff.
Votumnia - It's like Byzantium, which was a bit like Rome, which is a bit like Aralia.
Xihua - Communism.
Ziemia - Man, Poland really let itself go. Still... it's Poland I guess?

by **Daegan** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:58 am

I suppose we all gots ta write one of these, ain't we? *sigh* Okay...

History
'Twas a dark stormy night many many a moon ago...
Basically, Daegan used to be a cold country full of nomads and had no sense of politics, society, or anything like that. Then along came the French people and taught us all about all those things I just said we didn't have. Blah, blah, blah, progress, blah, blah, blah, government, blah, blah, blah, republic, blah, blah, blah cicil war. In the Year 1415, those people of Daegan, the true people had decided they'd about had enough of the French rulers and started a civil war to kick them out. It took five whole years, but we did it, replacing the leader from back then with King Stefan the First, and all rulers of the country since are descendants of him. Great story.

Somewhere around 1645 there was another rebellion against King Stefan the Second because of taxes and stuff, but it wasn't anything important.

After that, the people just kinda sucked up the fact that we do suck and got on with life.

The first Queen instead of King was Queen Haliegh in (insert year of a conflict that I shall pick later) and people loved her. Before, we'd just gotten on with life and stayed out of all the other countries hair, but Queen Haliegh decided we were going to fight in this war and after coming back somewhat victorious (I'll decide why once I've chosen a conflict), the people of Daegan got slightly more involved with world politics, and it was this that sparked the fierce nationlists.

Then of course there was the taking over of Finland in 2015. We don't consider ourself an empire. We've basically rubbed out the line in between them and call ourselves just one big country.

Alliances, Rivals, and Relations

Aelturia: Who?

Aeuria: *The following message has been removed because the language used is enough to make a sailor faint.*

Alcase: You're French. We don't like French peeps much. Stay out of our country. And stop asking us to join the European Community.

Asterdan: Who?

Carthage: Who? Africa...right?

New England: They're...people...I guess. What do you want from me?

Ensoleilletat: Who?

Ferith: American people, I guess.

Floydian Britain: These people are some of the weirdest we think we will ever come across.

Friedeck: Good peoples. Good ally. Good trade.(Will probably be involved in a conflict on the side of Friedeck so we can explain why we like them.)

Libereca: They're alright. There's worse peoples.

Mascargo: Andropov Mascargo? Best thing since sliced bread. Fadron Mascrago? He didn't die fast enough. Communist Mascargo? We don't care much for Communism, but Mira didn't like Fadron, so they're not totally evil. Not that Anna doesn't still wish Stanis was still alive.

And it's probably best to try and stay on their good side because they are massive and we are neighbours.

Moncordia: Pretty cool, I suppose?

New Pharaonic Egypt: Damn, man, how do you lot survive the heat? Have some potatoes.

Pakxe Pact: They're the ones Aeuria nuked, right? Right. Yeah, we like 'em.

Rafasid Caliphate: Who?

Great Warrior Rivers: More who?

Thozkovia: Extra who?

Neo-Joseon: Yeah, they're alright with us. We support them in the Japan stuff, it's just...we aren't feeling very generous on the terms of helping people lately.

Votumnia: This is the country that's taking care of Stacy's uncle and half-sisters. Yeah, pretty cool.

Xihua: *beep* *beep* *Beeeeeeeep*

Ziemia: Yeah, fun.

European Community: 1) Last time we accepted help from another country, look what happened. 2) Alcase made it. Conclusion: No.

by **Moncordia** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:36 am

History Under Construction. Check back soon!

by **Ulvena** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:47 am

Considering only Xihua and I were relevant in our little section of the world till Neo-Joseon became an Empire, I'll just say that until 1508, Neo-Joseon was basically Joseon. History diverged from the real world in 1505 so till then, history stayed the same as it did in the real world with all them messy wars and civil wars and internal politics.

First major conflict between what would become Xihua and Neo-Joseon was when the Ming Dynasty fell and what would later become the Qing Dynasty was kicked out of Beijing by our forces. From the 1640s all the way up to 1899, we begin the period of Imperialism, where we would have a stranglehold on the South Xihua Sea and parts of Africa. Parts of India, and if Carthage and Nova Aralia are cool with it, attempted to colonize some of their colonies and got thoroughly trounced. Got a couple stray parts of Africa that weren't that useful but were huge political tools back in the Homeland and kickstarted exploration and industry.

From 1899 onwards, we became irrelevant again in international relations till 1942 when we became more modernized and scaled back basically all of the Empire except key locations in the Philippines and Taiwan. So a lot of involvement when everyone was doing that colonizing and became too unstable and large to maintain around the time most independence movements were going on. Reemerged with a huge focus on economics and technology since everyone pretty much accepted we lost on the military and imperialism front. That imperialism is coming back though, but in a new form with an emphasis on tech.

Foreign Relations

Aelturia: No relations whatsoever.

Aeuria: Love/Hate! Aeuria's markets are more delicious than all the barbecue in Neo-Joseon but they challenge our dominion in Asia and are after the same colonies we are.

Alcase: May have had a couple conflicts way back with colonies but a good trade partner and scientific ally.

Asterdan: No relations whatsoever.

Carthage: Guys who kicked us out of the good parts of Africa? Let bygones be bygones, have some smartphones and the fastest internet in the world for only 349.99 plus shipping and handling.

Daegan: Cool *snicker* people. Definitely the type of nation we'd attempt to totally get hooked on Neo-Joseon technology to be totally dependent on us for your technological needs. But it's too early in the morning for that sort of devious plotting.

New England: You're cool...you better not invade us from the north *gulp*

Ensoleilletat: No relations whatsoever

Ferith: No relations whatsoever. Unless you export grilled cheese sandwiches and Freedom hotdogs

Floydian Britain: Best Britain

Friedeck: No relations whatsoever

Libereca: No relations whatsoever

Mascargo: Andropov Mascargo is best Mascargo. Communist Mascargo is the second biggest threat on Neo-Joseon's radar right after Xihua. Better dead than red!

Moncordia: No relations whatsoever

New Pharaonic Egypt: Aliens built your pyramids. Don't lie. No relations otherwise.

Pakxe Pact: Best potential ally at the moment beyond just trade

Rafasid Caliphate: Looking for oil and offering our vast bounty of manufactured goods?

Great Warrior Rivers: Too wild card to say

Votumnia: No relations whatsoever. Supported the Andropov Dynasty if I remember right so not on the radar in terms of threat by any stretch of the imagination

Xihua: Biggest threat to Neo-Joseon in the modern era. Only player in Northeast Asia that both actively thwarts us and is capable and willing to challenge any attempt at hegemony. Reason we have a compulsory military service and high school military training in case of a surprise Xihua invasion.

by **Nova Aralia** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:06 am

Ulvena wrote:Parts of India, and if Carthage and Nova Aralia are cool with it, attempted to colonize some of their colonies and got thoroughly trounced.

The nerve of people these days, not even bothering to include me in their relations list then asking if we want to coop history? Ridiculous!

Yeah, I suppose if you want to we could easily have something historically where you tried to invade my colonized areas of India, or somewhere around there.

by **Ferith** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:05 am

I suppose I'll make a post here just running through everything for my nation, which will be pretty quickly. Especially since I retconned a bit of history for my nation, mainly affecting current times.

The explorations efforts into Ferith and North America were headed by Jacques Cartier, whose expedition in 1534 down into the Chesapeake Bay area successfully mapped an early route for colonization efforts directly from Alcase. The earliest French settlers colonized the eastern coast of Ferith, making most of their civilization around the Chesapeake Bay. By the time of the revolution, the French colonists had stretched as far west as the Mississippi river and as far north as the Appalachian mountains.

The original four colonial states of Alcase declared independence in 1733 after the Ferithians had grown in dismay over the government restructuring of their colonial life as well as the distant administration of Aclase beginning to affect their daily lives. Motivated by the wealthiest aristocrats and plantation owners in Ferith, the citizenry organized and began fighting.

The conflict itself lasted until 1745 and multiple battles were fought, with the earliest conflicts resulting in tremendous defeats for the Ferithians. Then in a turn of fate, General Daniel Canmere, who was of English descent but fought for the colonial independence of Ferith, successfully won the Battle of Alard Hill in 1738 by charging against the numerous and heavily dug-in Alcasien troops and relieved the besieged defenders of Lagord. The unlikeliness of his victory won him both the admiration of his fellow colonists as well as inspired freedom fighters from New England to join the conflict unofficially, forming the Anglican Brigade, which went on to being one of the most influential military formations in the revolution. With the unexpected victory also came the uplifting of the conflict into international eyes, and in 1741 the revolution turned decidedly in Ferith's favor when the Imperial Federation of Mascargo joined the conflict.

The final push in the direction of independence for the colonies was the joining of Nova Aralia into the conflict, providing a sufficient navy to battle against Alcase and prevent supplies from being delivered to the embattled troops. The Treaty of Paris was finally signed in 1745, granting all four colonial states of Alcase independence. The first Republic of Ferith was very disconnected and weak, having little power to actually control any aspect of government. The period of 1745-1754 was known as the Ferithian Interregnum due to the weak government and eventually prompted the war hero and "father of the country" Cyril de la Charbonneau to invade and overthrow the current president, beginning the Second Republic.

The Second Republic of Ferith, generally known as the Noble Republic, operated on a very different system from the current Federal Republic. The President served for life as a royal position, addressed as "Lord President", and the only elections permitted outside of state-regulated elections were the presidential elections. This system of governing eventually earned the ire of many Ferithians as the population began to grow and expanded west.

The western frontiersmen of Ferith held free and open elections in the territories that they controlled. However, controversy arose when the realization came that upon becoming a state, their elected governors would no longer be represented in the current autocratic government. Coupled with the refusal to protect their western territories from native attacks, the provincial governments instead united under a government charter and established the Federation of Western States, which was immediately viewed as an illegitimate and illegal act by the Republic. Ferithian troops were ordered into the land and open warfare broke out between the two sovereign states, beginning the War of Ferithian Succession in 1841.

The conflict ended in 1851 after ten-years of fighting resulted in very little changes between the country's territories. The treaty signed reformed the nation of Ferith, but only if the presidency became a four-year elected position that was no longer tied to an autocratic and monarchist system of rule. This agreement prompted Lord President Martin Allemand to proclaim the creation of the Third Federal Republic and the establishment of a Congress to regulate executive powers. In his last move, Allemand stepped down from office to officially end the rule of nobles over Ferith.

That's pretty much all the history about my nation that really matters for international reasons. As for allies, Ferith has a strict isolationist view on the rest of the world, and other than being in the Francophonie, which is heavily debated in Congress, Ferith has no open alliances outside of trade deals with foreign powers. What that means is that Ferith itself rarely communes with anybody and our embassies are little more than acts of ceremony and goodwill, and actually joining a conflict takes a rather lot of coercion or reason.

So, prior to 1851, Ferith was very different from the America we all know. After 1851, it basically follows the same history of America in the sense of progression and technological advancements, obviously with more French influence and without the warfare. We're pretty much an America that's heavily French and English and doesn't follow the idea of the Monroe Doctrine or Roosevelt's Corollary.

by **Dominion of New England** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:58 pm

Daegan wrote:New England: They're...people...I guess. What do you want from me?

We don't want anything to be honest. Maybe a few hockey matches and that's it...

Ulvena wrote:New England: You're cool...you better not invade us from the north *gulp*

Nah man, we're cool, no invasions for you.

by **Libereca** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:44 pm

I don't have a really strong history, but I'm working on changing it. Here's what I have so far: Libereca was colonized by Iberian Carthaginians around the mid-16th century. As time bore on, Carthaginian control over their South American colonies weakened until the early 1800s, when they declared independence. I plan on re-writing my factbook so that Libereca is more active in world affairs from about the 1870s onwards.

Foreign Relations

Aelturia - No ties,

Aeuria - No ties, but the current administration isn't exactly supportive of Aeurian policies.

Alcase - Friendly relations, including reciprocal embassies.

Beta Israel - No ties.

Carthage - Friendly relations, no embassy.

Daegan - Neutral.

Ensolleiletat - Slight friction.

Ferith - No ties.

Friedeck - No ties.

Great Warrior Rivers - No ties.

Mascargo - Allied through the International Socialist Union.

Moncordia - No ties.

Neo-Joseon - No ties, the current administration isn't exactly friendly with capitalists.

Dominion of New England - No ties.

Nova Aralia - No ties.

Paxke Pact - Neutral.

Rafasid Caliphate - Friendly, embassy.

Votumnia - Friendly relations, Votumnian embassy in Buenos Aires.

Xihua - Allied through the International Socialist Union.

by **Dominion of New England** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:05 pm

Oh, and I suppose I should make one of these. (NOTE; This is an incredibly watered-down version of actually Canadian history, mostly because the history here only affects a couple nations.)

New England is, as most of you know by now, Canada on steroids. But, we do have some history to endeavour to explain how this came to be. New England was colonized by European powers, more specifically Alcase and England. They set down the foundation of law, language, culture, and practically everything. New France occupied what is today Quebec, Ontario, and New Brunswick, while the English held on small coastal areas such as Newfoundland and Nova Scotia, and to the south, where IRL New England is. After a the 7 Years War however, Alcase lost control of the territory, ceding it to the English after the war. gradually, the English (by this point British) expanded west, to the Pacific claiming all lands north of the 42nd Parallel. Just like in our timeline settlers would slowly move west, establishing new settlements in the newly claimed British lands, setting the base for modern cities such as Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, and many others. Moving into the 1800's, the British bought huge portions of Mascargo's empire in the interest of establishing ports and mining facilities, along with giving them a near monopoly of the Pacific Ocean (Rule, Britannia! rule the waves!) New England's history itself began in the 1867 Constitution Act, establishing the Constitution (duh), and the first provinces to boot. The Confederation, would eventually expand west to fill in the empty lands in British North America establishing new provinces and new borders. Eventually, New England occupied nearly all of British North America, including British Siberia, and Bermuda. With huge ammounts of untapped resources at the nation's disposal, large amounts of industrialization took place in cities across the country, expanding the economic influence of New England across the world, thanks to access to British trade routes. With this, many things appeared in New England, the first National Parks and Forests were established, the National Healthcare Service giving nearly every New Englander access to medicines and health care. Voting rights for women and other minorities allowed the country to become more democratic. Railroads unified the country with speedy transportation and so on. The 1900's were a prosperous time in New England history, the population, economy, and influence grew as New England grew from a joke, to a huge influence in the international community. A enjoyable and comfortable lifestyle became more easily available as jobs were higher paying than ever. However, it also marked a dark time, with the severing of relations with the homeland of Britain. Revolution took hold in Britian, many elements such as the Parliament, and the Royal Family was nearly wiped out, and the people thrown into a fascist regime. Those that could, fled here, including the survivors of the Royal Family were millions of New Englanders housed and brought them in the country. From here on I basically follow the same timeline the world took IRL. Digitization, better military prowess, and international politics etc.

Foreign Relations (Not very serious)
Aelturia: Nope, nothing... Sorry.

Aeuria: They're our kinda friendly south pacific trading partners. They are sorta scary though.

Alcase: Arguably the foreign nation we like the most.

Asterdan: Good cuisine, not much to say though.

Carthage: Awesome beaches. Trade routes. I guess we're good.

Daegan: I guess we have a few things in common; long winters, lakes, moose, etc. UDI was a total flop though.

New England: The real nation, the best nation.

Ensoleilletat: Nope, nothing.

Ferith: Our friendly neighbours to the south.

Floydian Britain: Throne removing, anti-freedom, sort of crazy British people. We really don't like you though... sorry.

Friedeck: Not quite friends, but I'd say reasonable partners.

Libereca: Not much, to be honest.

Mascargo: Our not-so-friendly communist neighbours. But we appreciate Siberia, so... thanks...

Moncordia: Hey it's that medium sized island near Greenland. You don't have much of a market, but I think we'd get along swimmingly.

New Pharaonic Egypt: Hey it's me again! 9/10 pyramids!

Pakxe Pact: Southeast Asia! Not much more to say than that.

Rafasid Caliphate: Oil... Not much else we have in common.

Great Warrior Rivers: Sweet beaches, cool islands. Like Bermuda, but better.

Votumnia: Far away, but we're cool. Put those tanks to good use!

Xihua: Ugh. Not much really. Not appreciating the potential war with Neo-Joseon though.

[EDIT] I FORGOT A FEW SORRY!!!

Nova Aralia; You're basically the descendants of Rome right? Cool, I guess...

Ziemia; Ziemia cannot into space, go home.

Thozkovia; Central Europe, good tourism. Not much else though.

by **Pakxe Pact** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:14 pm

The Pact's history isn't particularly long, and to summarise a lot (will go into more detail a bit later), went like this:

The various Indochinese kingdoms fought and progressed similarly to our timeline. Then Alcase colonised it for a while. When the various kingdoms were released by Alcase in the early 1900s, they began to try and grow and develop further. They then proceeded to get taken over by various dictators, who in the 1960s formed the Pakxe Pact.

The Pact began by militarising greatly and generally causing diplomatic incidents when people tried to rescue captured individuals. Then, the Pact launched an attack on the Republic of Free Thailand to take Bangkok. It succeeded, and soon Thailand collapsed, being now controlled by the Pact member nation of the Kingdom of Siam. After that, Aeuria decided to invade Indonesia, and the Pact opposed them. After several days of fierce and intense combat, which was resulting in stalemate, the Pact launched a large missile at Aeuria, who retaliated with a nuk that hit Pakxe.

Since then, the Pact hasn't really done much, on the account of having its military dismantled and its capital destroyed.

Relations:

Aelturia: No one really cares about it.

Aeuria: They destroyed us. They will suffer immensely for this. KILL THEM ALL! Well, they helped us a bit, but are imperialistic, nuke-tossing nicotine addicts. How on Earth can we trust them? We don't. Also, they can all die. Eventually.

Alcase: Allies of Aeuria. Not the best relations, but we don't despise them.

Asterdan: They own a bunch of desert and rainforest. No ties.

Beta Israel: Who are these guys?

Carthage: Neutral. They have some stuff that we could use, but seem like they will trade it.

Daegan: We like their style of government. They also hate Aeuria and Alcase. We should get some better relations with them.

Ensolleiletat: Aeuria's puppets. Kill them as well. Otherwise, no ties. At all.

Ferith: French America. No ties, not important.

Floydian Britain: A weird psychotic dictatorship. They sound great. But no ties. Yet.

Friedeck: Caused in incident in the Pact a while ago. Not great relations.

Great Warrior Rivers: Their policies are terrible. But we have no relations with them.

Libereca: They seem communist. No ties, and probably won't be any.

Mascargo: Fought against us. Are communist scum. Hate Aeuria. Not great relations.

Moncordia: No ties, not important.

Neo-Joseon: Great for trading and maybe even more diplomatic treaties. They helped us against the Aeurian scum, and we are grateful for that. Great relations.

New England: Notable for having too many ice hockey rinks, and for being huge. No ties.

New Pharaonic Egypt: No ties. Seem a bit too traditional for us.

Nova Aralia: No ties. That bit of Myanmar is a little close to us though.

Rafasid Caliphate: No ties. Theocratic communist scum with oil. Could use the oil, but th either stuff is just atrocious for relations.

Thozkovia: Who are these guys? Oh, right, they own the Balkans. Strange, I thought the Balkans had to be divided between a thousand different countries so that they could inadvertently start world wars. I guess not. No ties.

Votumnia: No ties. They link Europe and Asia. That's about it though, from what we can tell.

Xihua: Bad relations. More communist scum, fighting too close to our best trade partner and ally.

Ziemia: No ties.

by **Aeuria** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:15 pm

The Aeurian Commonwealth, or the Empire, is a confederation of independent nations, comprising of a main dozen of kingdoms, principalities, and grand duchies on the mainland with many more such nations across the world. Although they are technically autonomous, each leader of a Commonwealth state swears fealty to the Emperor and serves at His Majesty's pleasure, making them little more than puppets.

In 11 AD, following several years of conquest, Emperor Lucas the First founded what would become and stay the government of Aeuria for 2 millennium. Holding strong Pagan beliefs, specifically the passing along of success to descendants of celebrated people, he established a hereditary monarchy which lasted until the first millennium AD; his heirs enjoying leadership and unfaltering respect for a thousand years. Shortly after the 1st millennium, Emperor Aleksander IX instituted democratic imperial elections in the only major governmental change in Aeurian history. A republican monarchy existed in which other nobles and commoners were eligible for candidacy. A variety of nobles houses and an occasional citizen feuded over the crown and the public's support for the next 700 years; at which point the House of Aeuria, descendants of Lucas the First, and the House of Fairfax, the royal dynasty of Vasphere - a major Commonwealth state - effectively began to trade the throne between one an other. From the 18th century to today, only members of either House have been elected to the throne.

That's just some brief information. I'll get to work on my land claims soon.

Foreign Relations

by **Rafasid Caliphate** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:27 am

My history is very long. It is also in a perpetual state of "will-do-later" that has prevented much of it from actually being divulged. So, without further adieu, a small part of Rafasid history.

In ancient times, a city called Sumer was made. Then it there was as city called Babylon. Then a bunch more, acting pretty much the same as normal. Then, eventually, these Arabic people decided to come in and take over, and they succeeded. Soon, they had formed a Caliphate of Islamic kingdoms, and began spreading their influence, religion and territory all over the place. However, this caused very few to like their existence, and they were facing off against Solarists, Egyptians, Votumnians and probably quite a few others. Then the Caliphate collapsed.

Then a new one emerged not long after, reunifying the Islamic kingdoms yet again. Fighting a heap of wars against Votumnia, Aelturia and even probably Carthage at one point, this Caliphate dominated Arabia, and was a regional power. Things pretty much stayed this way across history, with constant wars, constant collapses, constant reunifications and more constant wars.

Eventually, there came a time in the 1920s, where the ideology of communism became popular. A bunch of revolts happened. Soon, the Caliphate had become, for the first time, a communist Caliphate. Of course, this just made everyone even more annoyed at them, so the Caliphate decided to become more internationally cooperative. Then they invaded Nubia, and "liberated" the people from the rule of its vile dictator, making them slightly more happy then they were before. Now the Rafasids are catching up on technology and making loads of money selling the huge amount of oil and metal in their land.

Relations:

Aelturia: They oppose us all of the time. They don't believe in the true way of Islam. They stop us expanding east. Relations are negative.

Aeuria: They can trade us various addictive substances and cool blimps. Neutral.

Alcase: They are.....ok.......I guess. Except religiously.

Asterdan: A bunch of jungle. Who cares? Not us!

Beta Israel: A tiny enclave that we should have conquered ages ago. Relations strained.

Carthage: Neutral, but we are hoping to improve our relations with them.

Daegan: A bunch of snow ruled by an evil dictator. If only we could liberate them.....relations are of course neutral.

Ensoilleiletat: More jungle. Who cares? Still not us.

Ferith: Oh look, America! Surely they would love to buy some oil, right?

Floydian Britain: Their citizens suffer too much. No, not from the dictatorship and the tyranny, from the music! Relations neutral.

Friedeck: They can sell us some cool guns, and we'll sell them some oil. Relations neutral.

Great Warrior Rivers: Even more jungle. Who cares? Still not even us.

Libereca: Well done, comrade. Finally, a communist state. Relations improving. We have embassies with each other.

Mascargo: Very well done, comrade. Let us ally against the threat of these evil capitalist pigs! Relations neutral, but we greatly hope to improve them. Here, have some oil!

Moncordia: Oh look, a ball of ice. Need some oil for your icebreakers? Relations neutral.

Neo-Joseon: Capitalists! Stop letting your terrible system actually work really well! You're really ruining our point! Oh, you're giving us those advanced smartphones and computers and all you want is oil? Sure! Relations neutral.

New England: No! No one but us can have oil! Relations straining, because while they exist the free world can have oil that isn't from us.

New Pharaonic Egypt: Come on, our religion is much cooler than yours! Relations neutral, but a little strained.

Nova Aralia: They are close. Too close. Better keep our guard up. Relations neutral, but paranoid.

Pakxe Pact: They are capitalist scum, and fascists, and......they got nuked? Huh. Maybe can give them some oil. We'll drop on top of the fire. Yeah, that sounds good.

Thozkovia: Close to us geographically, but they haven't done much to us historically. Relations neutral.

Votimnia: Our oldest enemies. And perhaps our newest allies, as we could really use some. Relations neutral but improving.

Xihua: Comrade, well done. Not only are you embracing the way of the people, you are also opposing the tyranny of capitalism. Relations improving.

Ziemia: Umm, who are you? Oh, right, Poland. Right. Relations neutral.

by **Nova Aralia** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:38 pm

So besides just talking about our independent histories and our national opinions of other nations, are we going to cover international wars?

Specifically, we have yet to decide on if world war 1 or 2 had actually happened yet. I imagine with the state of the world and the lack of a overarching political body trying to keep peace, any world war that we did have would have been likely ended with a status-quo arrangement.

by **Allied Merchant Republics** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:51 pm

So, the "Dutch" in this world were a little less,successful at colonisation. Because, you know, Aeuria took Indonesia before we could. What follows is literally a copy-paste from my factbook, because, I just spent forever writing this and really don't want to do it again.

Dutch history is divided geographically until the 1500s, so it is difficult to describe without referring to almost entirely seperate histories. However, the general consensus is that Dutch history truly begins in around 500 AD, with the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the rise of various Germanic tribes. The Dutch were one of these tribes, and claimed land near the Saxons in the Benelux region. This lasted until the Saxons invaded England, and the Dutch fought for and gained formerly Saxon territory. In 800 AD in Scandinavia, the Danes, Swedish and Norwegians became a group called the Vikings, most notable for being seafaring raiders who could outrun the best ships in the area at the time and who were infamous for their brutal yet elaborately mythology. Eventually, the Vikings became more and more like kingdoms, and ceased raiding altogether, instead now favouring traditional politics and tactics.

The Dutch had now established themselves as a people, and were able to become a part of the Holy Roman Empire, which they left for ideological reasons in the 15th century. This led them to form a country of their own, the Netherlands, which quickly became a form of merchant republic. The next century, the Dutch made an agreement with Denmark and Norway, which united them in trade, and militarily, thus allowing them to dominate trade in the North Sea, and do quite well in the Baltic as well. By the 15th century, these people had become ethnically closed as well, and invaded Ireland to gain a port from which they could explore the Americas. However, this plan never took place, as the Dutch instead decided to venture eastward, some ships heading around Africa whilst others went through the stormy, frozen north. This fleet never made it back. The African fleet, however, traded with locals, and was not hostile whatsoever, leaving without incident and travelling around the Cape of Good Hope to enter the Pacific Ocean, where the vessels discovered Aeuria, Indonesia and India.

At home, unrest was rising in the Scandinavian kingdoms, as they were beginning to grow in dissent against the increasingly foolish and cruel monarchs of their kingdoms. In the 1700s, the Dutch colonies of Afrikaaland and Sydvinland were established, with relatively good levels of freedom, especially compared to those of other countries. In 1756, an Asian exploration fleet was launched, and made official contact with the Chinese and the Neo-Joseon, resulting in numerous new trade goods. The fleet also charted much of the Pacific. In the 1800s, the unrest from earlier became unbearable, and when King Eindride the Last of Norway died in 1821, the citizens rose up, supported by the Dutch from the Netherlands. By 1823, both Denmark, which had been taken over by Dutch soldiers with citizen support, and Norway, which had been overthrown by the people alone, had become merchant republics, and joined with the Netherlands in 1823 as the Commonwealth of Allied Merchant Republics. This new country had immense trading power, and continued to supply goods throughout the 20th century, in which the colonial territories were in fact offered independence through referendum, and in which almost all of the population willingly declined, wishing to remain a part of the AMR. The opening of the 21st century marked the founding of the Dutch space program, the Allied Merchant Republics Interplanetary Exploration Organisation.

So, there you have, Dutch history so far. For now.

Relations:

Aelturia: Neutral. They are ok, but too theocratic for us. And it's hard to trade with them from our position.

Aeuria: Great for trade! We really need some addictive substances and narcotics to distribute around, and these guys give us plenty.

Alcase: They are good. We have plenty in common. Well, a little in common. Good enough for us.

Asterdan: Well, they could offer some trade......maybe?

Beta Israel: So tiny. We don't really do much with them.

Carthage: Good trade partners. They're a little like us, but in Africa instead of Europe.

Daegan: They're close........but really, really poor. Seriously. Have some money, now just ignore Norway, it's ours, all right?

Ensoilleletat: They are huge. And right next to Sydvinland. They have a lot of jungle too. We are ok with them.

Ewno: You know, your name sounds like a card game. Maybe we can build a resort here. Maybe.

Ferith: Too isolationist for our liking. We can't really trade with them. Oh well, too bad.

Floydian Britain: Pretty oppressive. Close to us. Very, very close. I hope they don't do anything stupid. All right for trade, I guess.

Friedeck: These guys are great! We can give them some money and some other stuff for some high quality guns. Relations positive.

Great Warrior Rivers: They own the Panama Canal. We like that canal. It is really good for trade. Maybe we can sell you some Eco-friendly stuff for access?

Libereca: Uggggghh! Communism rears its ugly head. They are next to Sydvinland as well. Best to be cautious.

Mascargo: Ummmmm..monarchy is bad, but communism is just worse, you know! Stay away, just stay back.....

Moncordia: You're so close to us! But......you have.....nothing. If only we could colonise you, we could sell ice sculptures across the world. Oh well, Svalbard will have to do.

Neo-Joseon: You guys are awesome! Electronics, capitalism, high-tech stuff..........relations positive.

New England: Well, you give us oil........that's good enough for us. Relations improving.

New Pharaonic Egypt: You're next to Carthage. And Rafasids. And Nova Aralia. How are you alive? Oh well. Those tombs are pretty cool, maybe we could make a movie there or something. Otherwise, you don't have much of worth.

Nova Aralia: These guys are close to our colonies. Like, right next to them. They seem....all right....I guess.

Pakxe Pact: Almost as poor as Daegan, and they got nuked. We already have rainforest. No deal.

Rafasid Caliphate: Communists! Islamists! Have oil! Fine, we'll buy some......relations neutral.

Thozkovia: Not much stuff here, is there? Hmmmm......

Votimnia: They seem ok. They have......sand. And......gold, I suppose. Actually, that stuff's pretty good.

Xihua: Seriously? Another commie state? You have too many trade restrictions and too much debt for us!

Veclea: Your plan won't work very well! Do you have anything to trade? Relations neutral.

Ziemia: Could we have a sausage? Maybe Danizg? Uh oh, ran out of Polish stereotypes. Umm, you are......small.

World War Stuff:

Yeah, I agree with Nova Aralia. We need to discuss World Wars. I can't decide what side I'm on until I know the sides.

by **Mascargo** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:59 pm

Allied Merchant Republics wrote:...Dutch history truly begins in around 500 AD, with the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the rise of various Germanic tribes.

This is the only issue I immediately noticed, because I believe that both Carthage and Nova Aralia have made it clear in their history, factbook and collaboration that the Roman Empire never existed and the Roman Republic was destroyed in the Second Punic War.

by **Allied Merchant Republics** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:13 pm

Mascargo wrote:
Allied Merchant Republics wrote:...Dutch history truly begins in around 500 AD, with the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the rise of various Germanic tribes.

This is the only issue I immediately noticed, because I believe that both Carthage and Nova Aralia have made it clear in their history, factbook and collaboration that the Roman Empire never existed and the Roman Republic was destroyed in the Second Punic War.

Oh, right, will fix.

EDIT: Fixed in factbook. Thanks for pointing that out. I really need to do more research. Then again, I guess things like this are why this thread exists, right?

Anyway, I resolved that issue. It doesn't have much of an impact on my nation anyway, to be honest.

by **Mascargo** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:17 pm

As for the world wars, I do have a proposition/idea in mind.

Essentially, instead of having two wars that were incredibly different from each other, I like the idea of having one huge Great war that probably lasted from the 1900s to the 1930s or 1940s. The reason for this would have been that most of the nations in this region are empires or massive nations with huge expenses for their military budgets, and a conflict between most of the world powers wouldn't have been a giant blitz like World War 2, but instead a massive and stretched out world engagement similar to WW1 with trench-based warfare.

Continuing off the idea of competition between all of these great empires of our day, every nation would have probably been doing their best to get a military edge on each other to actually take land, make a military push, and make themselves look better as a political power. So the period of around 40 years or less would have promoted and resulted in a massive military boom. Developments of early assault rifles, compact automatic-firing weapons, complete overhauls of military doctrine, and all the like.

So instead of a post-WW1 environment and a military buildup between massive states supporting this idea of prepared militarism, instead we have a case where the world was basically engulfed in a costly and continuous war with the other half and during the war, they would have made any advancements possible in military technology. This idea especially supports Aeuria's desire to have been the first nation to have dropped the atomic bomb, and it would make a lot of sense. The war was long as hell and extremely dragged out over decades of constant trench-fighting with little gains and huge casualty numbers. So Aeuria's dropping of the bomb would have ended most of the conflicts and made both sides realize it was time to end the war.

Due to the nature of the conflict, I imagine that land claims rarely changed hands and in order to quickly end the conflict after the dropping of the atomic bomb, most land would have been returned and everything been resorted back to status-quo. Meaning that, historically, the Great War would have been seen as an astronomical waste of human life with absolutely no gain for any of the involved constituents, with the only "positive" result being the forced birth of modern military weapons and tactics. And it would make sense for why most nations of the region don't really stand down from each other, we still have massive militaries and no real global peace agreements.

So, we're essentially in a state like pre-Great War, where every nation is still prepared for somebody else to fire the first round. Which would make sense why most of us take the "nuclear option" per se, and quickly hop into conflicts or take advantage of them. Like Aeuria taking Indonesia, or everyone carefully scrutinizing the conflict in Japan. And since most of the region is full of nuclear states prepared for atomic war, it would make sense why some nations are pushing for the idea of a "united nations" to keep peace and prevent a second Great War.

That's my thoughts at least on what I think we should do. Of course, I didn't think yet of sides or alliances or where the war even started at yet. But I think it's a good start at least. Thoughts?

by **Allied Merchant Republics** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:25 pm

Mascargo wrote:As for the world wars, I do have a proposition/idea in mind.

Essentially, instead of having two wars that were incredibly different from each other, I like the idea of having one huge Great war that probably lasted from the 1900s to the 1930s or 1940s. The reason for this would have been that most of the nations in this region are empires or massive nations with huge expenses for their military budgets, and a conflict between most of the world powers wouldn't have been a giant blitz like World War 2, but instead a massive and stretched out world engagement similar to WW1 with trench-based warfare.

Continuing off the idea of competition between all of these great empires of our day, every nation would have probably been doing their best to get a military edge on each other to actually take land, make a military push, and make themselves look better as a political power. So the period of around 40 years or less would have promoted and resulted in a massive military boom. Developments of early assault rifles, compact automatic-firing weapons, complete overhauls of military doctrine, and all the like.

So instead of a post-WW1 environment and a military buildup between massive states supporting this idea of prepared militarism, instead we have a case where the world was basically engulfed in a costly and continuous war with the other half and during the war, they would have made any advancements possible in military technology. This idea especially supports Aeuria's desire to have been the first nation to have dropped the atomic bomb, and it would make a lot of sense. The war was long as hell and extremely dragged out over decades of constant trench-fighting with little gains and huge casualty numbers. So Aeuria's dropping of the bomb would have ended most of the conflicts and made both sides realize it was time to end the war.

Due to the nature of the conflict, I imagine that land claims rarely changed hands and in order to quickly end the conflict after the dropping of the atomic bomb, most land would have been returned and everything been resorted back to status-quo. Meaning that, historically, the Great War would have been seen as an astronomical waste of human life with absolutely no gain for any of the involved constituents, with the only "positive" result being the forced birth of modern military weapons and tactics. And it would make sense for why most nations of the region don't really stand down from each other, we still have massive militaries and no real global peace agreements.

So, we're essentially in a state like pre-Great War, where every nation is still prepared for somebody else to fire the first round. Which would make sense why most of us take the "nuclear option" per se, and quickly hop into conflicts or take advantage of them. Like Aeuria taking Indonesia, or everyone carefully scrutinizing the conflict in Japan. And since most of the region is full of nuclear states prepared for atomic war, it would make sense why some nations are pushing for the idea of a "united nations" to keep peace and prevent a second Great War.

That's my thoughts at least on what I think we should do. Of course, I didn't think yet of sides or alliances or where the war even started at yet. But I think it's a good start at least. Thoughts?

That is actually a pretty interesting idea. It does seem to fit a few things but not others, but that's why we have this thread in the first place.

My nations could almost all fit into this. The Pact didn't exist at the time, but Alcasian Indochina was split in 1921, around halfway through such a war. The Caliphate also formed halfway into war, with a bunch of revolutions that formed it in about 1927. The Allied Mechant Republics.....well, what happens here depends on more detailed parameters.

In short, I like this idea.

by **Mascargo** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:29 pm

Allied Merchant Republics wrote:That is actually a pretty interesting idea. It does seem to fit a few things but not others, but that's why we have this thread in the first place.

My nations could almost all fit into this. The Pact didn't exist at the time, but Alcasian Indochina was split in 1921, around halfway through such a war. The Caliphate also formed halfway into war, with a bunch of revolutions that formed it in about 1927. The Allied Mechant Republics.....well, what happens here depends on more detailed parameters.

In short, I like this idea.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, because it does make sense and is very accommodating for most of the nations in the region. And given that Alcase complains about it nearly ever other day (love you!), it helps to explain why most nations have really big militaries and big budgets for defense spending. We're all crazily worried about the idea of another giant war breaking out, so we're preparing for it just in case. Which is why nations dependent on heavy trade, from what I've seen, want to form an organization that would support world peace.

by **Allied Merchant Republics** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:34 pm

Mascargo wrote:
Allied Merchant Republics wrote:That is actually a pretty interesting idea. It does seem to fit a few things but not others, but that's why we have this thread in the first place.

My nations could almost all fit into this. The Pact didn't exist at the time, but Alcasian Indochina was split in 1921, around halfway through such a war. The Caliphate also formed halfway into war, with a bunch of revolutions that formed it in about 1927. The Allied Mechant Republics.....well, what happens here depends on more detailed parameters.

In short, I like this idea.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, because it does make sense and is very accommodating for most of the nations in the region. And given that Alcase complains about it nearly ever other day (love you!), it helps to explain why most nations have really big militaries and big budgets for defense spending. We're all crazily worried about the idea of another giant war breaking out, so we're preparing for it just in case. Which is why nations dependent on heavy trade, from what I've seen, want to form an organization that would support world peace.

That makes sense.

Of course, if we agree to such an arrangement, we still need to decided what the sides were, why they fought, who invented what, how it went in particularly areas and what countries were major powers.

by **Mascargo** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:39 pm

Allied Merchant Republics wrote:That makes sense.

Of course, if we agree to such an arrangement, we still need to decided what the sides were, why they fought, who invented what, how it went in particularly areas and what countries were major powers.

Yeah, it still leaves a lot of things to be planned out.

For sides and alliances, we'd probably go with historic allies and regional alliances.

So... maybe something like:

Side 1: Aeuria, Nova Aralia, Alcase, Saint Denis, etc.

Side 2: Friedeck, Aelturia, Daegan, Thozkovia, Carthage, etc.

Just a rough sketch. Of course, the problem being with that would likely result from my nation, Mascargo, not really wanting to be on the same side as Aeuria, but at the same time, not wanting to be on side 2. So... perhaps this was more than just a two-faction war? Who knows?

by **Allied Merchant Republics** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:51 pm

Mascargo wrote:
Allied Merchant Republics wrote:That makes sense.

Of course, if we agree to such an arrangement, we still need to decided what the sides were, why they fought, who invented what, how it went in particularly areas and what countries were major powers.

Yeah, it still leaves a lot of things to be planned out.

For sides and alliances, we'd probably go with historic allies and regional alliances.

So... maybe something like:

Side 1: Aeuria, Nova Aralia, Alcase, Saint Denis, etc.

Side 2: Friedeck, Aelturia, Daegan, Thozkovia, Carthage, etc.

Just a rough sketch. Of course, the problem being with that would likely result from my nation, Mascargo, not really wanting to be on the same side as Aeuria, but at the same time, not wanting to be on side 2. So... perhaps this was more than just a two-faction war? Who knows?

Interesting.

From my perspective:

Indochina: Side with Alcase, because, we have to, really.

Rafasids: Side with no-one, or with the non-Aeurian side.

AMR: Side with no-one, or with Alcase and Aeuria.

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