The Problem with Anarchism

[LGBTQ Equality]

To:Anarchist in General
Anarchy,the Lack of the State,allows Murder,Rape,Kiddnapping,Robbery,Extortion and Other Heinous crimes to go Unpunished?Why?Becuase since there is no State,their is no Police,if there are Police,their is a state,large or Small.and since Courts can't Exist without a State,Criminals can't Even Turn themselves in and Get a Trial.I acknowledge that Anarchist don't want this,but it simply Will Happen.Another Thing that Will happen in Anarchism is products won't Have something Regulating if their safe or not,Products could literally Be Designed to Kill you because their isn't something like a FDA to Regulate it,once again if their was it wouldn't be a Anarchy.
Anarchy Also would allow Trade of Weapons and Dangerous Drugs,I'm fine if you distribute Harmless Drugs or Helpful Drugs as long as You got Something from the Goverment saying you can.But since once Again their isn't a Police force or Court System to Bring down Drug Lords and Black Market Weapons,Drug lords and Black Market Traders will get rich of these Disgusting practices.And since there is no Court System,Hostpitals could refuse to treat patients and go unpunished,murderes could kill thousands and not be brung to justice.another of Anarchisms many flaws is that CEO's could Force people to work under threat of death for no pay and Under terrible conditions.Another Flaw(this is getting Redundant,isn't it?) Is that Child labor could happen and no one would bring the Criminals to Justice.Another Flaw is that Private Education Systems could be Forcing Lies like 'Homosexuality is Unnatural' and Have no court for Gay people Offended By this to sue.Another flaw(FUCK!THIS IS REDUNDANT)is that The health of Residents is Disregarded as the Poor die of Disease while the Rich live Long lives while Contributing almost nothing to society.Yet another Flaw is 'Charities' could just steal the Donations and line the Owners pockets while poor people get nothing.Another flaw is that Lots of Knowlege could be Destroyed and No one Brought to justice because their is not Court or Police.Another flaw is that other people could force their Religion down Others throats by threatening to kill them if they don't Convert.Another flaw is that entire Cities could be Burnt Down and No one Brought to Justice because Once again there is not police or Court to bring the Criminals to justice.Another flaw is That Companies could sell products that don't Work as Advertised Becuase their is no Body that Could Determine whether their Products are what they say or are Scams.Another Flaw is that Discrimination would go Unpunished becuase their is Not Police force or Court to stop Discrimination.

[Zoscua]

Paragraphs are your friend.

[MERIZoC]

GraMmar ANarChY.

[Talvezout]

I think we could starts some riots with the grammar here

[Wurtemburg-Baden]

GraMmar ANarChY.

Grammar Anarchy sounds Stupid,something that people that don't know what Grammar even means does.

[Rangila]

10/10. That is some great grammar.

[Wurtemburg-Baden]

I think we could starts some riots with the grammar here

Now I know why I said their isn't rad of a There lol.WTF I DIDNT SAY THIS?!?
I said that I spelt their instead of There.

[Internationalist Bastard]

My problem with anarchy, if no one is in charge, someone will make themselves in charge

[Rangila]

Quote from the OP: "Another Flaw is that Private Education Systems could be Forcing Lies like 'Homosexuality is Unnatural' and Have no court for Gay people Offended By this to sue"

It is unnatural. Gay people can't sue Private Education Systems for truthfully saying that Homosexuality is unnatural.

[The Ridings of Yorkshire]

I'll pay for you to exit my gated community or I will send a Private Defence Agency to shoot you out of Ancapistan.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

let me quote proudhon here and say that anarchy is order without power. why do people think that the state and the strong arm of the law is the only thing that keeps people from raping, murdering, stealing? the government is the powers that keep people down, that murder, that rapes, that steals! it protects the interest of a very few elites, and is designed to keep the rest in their place, it perpetuate a myth of mobility, justice, law, and then robs, kills, and beat peroidically to remind us all that it is only illusionary. they move to send our children to murder more people in far away lands out of dispute between their two oppessors! It is time we took a stand and destroy all government everywhere!

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Quote from the OP: "Another Flaw is that Private Education Systems could be Forcing Lies like 'Homosexuality is Unnatural' and Have no court for Gay people Offended By this to sue"

It is unnatural. Gay people can't sue Private Education Systems for truthfully saying that Homosexuality is unnatural.

It is also unnatural for you to be able to communicate with people all over the world in roughly the time it takes them to read your thoughtful and well argued point for the unnaturalness of homosexuality.

[Modern Europa]

Anarchy is not chaos, it is collective ownership. And Grammar abuse is a mortal sin. *flies away, leaves plate of stale cookies*

[Wurtemburg-Baden]

Quote from the OP: "Another Flaw is that Private Education Systems could be Forcing Lies like 'Homosexuality is Unnatural' and Have no court for Gay people Offended By this to sue"

It is unnatural. Gay people can't sue Private Education Systems for truthfully saying that Homosexuality is unnatural.

Your evidence that Homsexuaality is unnatural?
I have evidence to the Contrary
http://exposingtruth.com/ Edit: search the Link for "is Homosexualality Natural?" becuase it Gave me the Homepage.

[Wurtemburg-Baden]

let me quote proudhon here and say that anarchy is order without power. why do people think that the state and the strong arm of the law is the only thing that keeps people from raping, murdering, stealing? the government is the powers that keep people down, that murder, that rapes, that steals! it protects the interest of a very few elites, and is designed to keep the rest in their place, it perpetuate a myth of mobility, justice, law, and then robs, kills, and beat peroidically to remind us all that it is only illusionary. they move to send our children to murder more people in far away lands out of dispute between their two oppessors! It is time we took a stand and destroy all government everywhere!

So Goverment Which Makes Sure your Protected with a Social Security net,Police,Military and Court if you are Accused of a crime only Protects the Elite?and that Gives you the Right to Freedom of speech,which otherwise you couldn't post what you said Legally?Interesting...

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

let me quote proudhon here and say that anarchy is order without power. why do people think that the state and the strong arm of the law is the only thing that keeps people from raping, murdering, stealing? the government is the powers that keep people down, that murder, that rapes, that steals! it protects the interest of a very few elites, and is designed to keep the rest in their place, it perpetuate a myth of mobility, justice, law, and then robs, kills, and beat peroidically to remind us all that it is only illusionary. they move to send our children to murder more people in far away lands out of dispute between their two oppessors! It is time we took a stand and destroy all government everywhere!

So Goverment Which Makes Sure your Protected with a Social Security net,Police,Military and Court if you are Accused of a crime only Protects the Elite?and that Gives you the Right to Freedom of speech,which otherwise you couldn't post what you said Legally?Interesting...

it does not give me any rights to freedom of speech- i am free to speak with or without government. it is just that, with a government around, they have the supposed legitimacy to silence my speech, to limit it however they see fit. it is a little like saying the Native Americans should be glad that the government set aside a small portion of its land for its own use while robbing the rest. it sets up courts to try people according to their own rules (hardly freedom), and use the military and police to coerce people into following their set of rules. some government can be more benevolent than other, just like it is entirely possible to have a slaver who treats his slave well, the institution, however, remains evil. it is primarily an institution which the elite uses to control the mass of people.

[Deuxtete]

The syntax of the OP is exactly like a player from a week ago or so, I'm betting DOS.

[Yorkvale]

let me quote proudhon here and say that anarchy is order without power. why do people think that the state and the strong arm of the law is the only thing that keeps people from raping, murdering, stealing? the government is the powers that keep people down, that murder, that rapes, that steals! it protects the interest of a very few elites, and is designed to keep the rest in their place, it perpetuate a myth of mobility, justice, law, and then robs, kills, and beat peroidically to remind us all that it is only illusionary. they move to send our children to murder more people in far away lands out of dispute between their two oppessors! It is time we took a stand and destroy all government everywhere!

Social Mobility isn't a myth, it happens. Living proof right here. Social equality is pretty much a thing under the law. People left to their own devices with 0 social fabric become savage animals. Scheming and looking out for themselves alone. Government lays down social fabric. Even if we got rid of the state, people would just form their own Governments and they would eventually morph into the state, because over the years we have chosen this system to be the most effective. We don't have a draft, so those children sort of opted for the job to ensure the political survival of their state. No tyranny here m8

[Kubra]

GraMmar ANarChY.

grammarchism

[Yorkvale]

So Goverment Which Makes Sure your Protected with a Social Security net,Police,Military and Court if you are Accused of a crime only Protects the Elite?and that Gives you the Right to Freedom of speech,which otherwise you couldn't post what you said Legally?Interesting...

it does not give me any rights to freedom of speech- i am free to speak with or without government. it is just that, with a government around, they have the supposed legitimacy to silence my speech, to limit it however they see fit. it is a little like saying the Native Americans should be glad that the government set aside a small portion of its land for its own use while robbing the rest. it sets up courts to try people according to their own rules (hardly freedom), and use the military and police to coerce people into following their set of rules. some government can be more benevolent than other, just like it is entirely possible to have a slaver who treats his slave well, the institution, however, remains evil. it is primarily an institution which the elite uses to control the mass of people.

Except the entire fabric of the US Government states that speech isn't granted, it's a right. The Government states that they protect your right to speech, not that they are giving it to you. And it isn't the government setting up courts to try people according to their own rules, it's people setting up courts to try themselves under their own codes of law they themselves written.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

let me quote proudhon here and say that anarchy is order without power. why do people think that the state and the strong arm of the law is the only thing that keeps people from raping, murdering, stealing? the government is the powers that keep people down, that murder, that rapes, that steals! it protects the interest of a very few elites, and is designed to keep the rest in their place, it perpetuate a myth of mobility, justice, law, and then robs, kills, and beat peroidically to remind us all that it is only illusionary. they move to send our children to murder more people in far away lands out of dispute between their two oppessors! It is time we took a stand and destroy all government everywhere!

Social Mobility isn't a myth, it happens. Living proof right here.

I suppose that you are a billionaire a la Horatio Algers?

Social equality is pretty much a thing under the law. People left to their own devices with 0 social fabric become savage animals. Scheming and looking out for themselves alone.

Humans are naturally eusocial creatures, we have to depend on each other (not as individuals) to survive. One of the reason we evolved so that we can more effectively communicate (as we are doing now) is out of this necessity to work together. So, your claim that we are all brutes is simply unfounded.

Government lays down social fabric. Even if we got rid of the state, people would just form their own Governments and they would eventually morph into the state, because over the years we have chosen this system to be the most effective.

And, yet, there are many people who live in organisations to this day that does not involve a state in any way that we can recognise it. I guess they must have done something wrong if they are not following this natural progression.

We don't have a draft, so those children sort of opted for the job to ensure the political survival of their state. No tyranny here m8

You don't need a draft to coerce people into doing things they probably don't want to do, or trying to convince them of wanting what it not in their best interest.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

it does not give me any rights to freedom of speech- i am free to speak with or without government. it is just that, with a government around, they have the supposed legitimacy to silence my speech, to limit it however they see fit. it is a little like saying the Native Americans should be glad that the government set aside a small portion of its land for its own use while robbing the rest. it sets up courts to try people according to their own rules (hardly freedom), and use the military and police to coerce people into following their set of rules. some government can be more benevolent than other, just like it is entirely possible to have a slaver who treats his slave well, the institution, however, remains evil. it is primarily an institution which the elite uses to control the mass of people.

Except the entire fabric of the US Government states that speech isn't granted, it's a right. The Government states that they protect your right to speech, not that they are giving it to you. And it isn't the government setting up courts to try people according to their own rules, it's people setting up courts to try themselves under their own codes of law they themselves written.

Rights are constructs by the government which they can limit and revoke at will.

Also, they try people according to the rules they have, passed by legislators that we may not necessarily have voted for, agree with, or trust can vote as we would in every circumstances (that would be too much to expect of them). This is hardly a code of law that the people, themselves, have written. In addition, I find it strange that you use the word "people", without precisely defining it, because the people is liable to be just any word word "the government", as in communist dictatorship, where the "People's Army" or the "People's Police" enforced the "People's Will" upon any dissent.

[Yorkvale]

Social Mobility isn't a myth, it happens. Living proof right here.

I suppose that you are a billionaire a la Horatio Algers?

Social equality is pretty much a thing under the law. People left to their own devices with 0 social fabric become savage animals. Scheming and looking out for themselves alone.

Humans are naturally eusocial creatures, we have to depend on each other (not as individuals) to survive. One of the reason we evolved so that we can more effectively communicate (as we are doing now) is out of this necessity to work together. So, your claim that we are all brutes is simply unfounded.

Government lays down social fabric. Even if we got rid of the state, people would just form their own Governments and they would eventually morph into the state, because over the years we have chosen this system to be the most effective.

And, yet, there are many people who live in organisations to this day that does not involve a state in any way that we can recognise it. I guess they must have done something wrong if they are not following this natural progression.

We don't have a draft, so those children sort of opted for the job to ensure the political survival of their state. No tyranny here m8

You don't need a draft to coerce people into doing things they probably don't want to do, or trying to convince them of wanting what it not in their best interest.

No, I'm upper middle class. Though I veyr much suppose I could become billionaire if I developed an app or product that went viral. I mean, there's like 500 of em and around 200 of them weren't born billionaires.

What I'm stating is that the evolution as social creatures you are talking about shows itself through the development of the state. And these people not affiliated with states are so few in between people who do, they are hardly even a demographic. Not to mention, on average they are probably worse off in terms of wealth and well being. If anything they are minimalists, to which I would say is not a very fun lifestyle. Not to mention nearly every single creek and crevass of the world is claimed by a state.

Er, you do need a draft to coerce people. Influencing isn't coercing. Everything influences people. Where they're born, who they hang out with, they're parents and as such we can debate about choice for ages and whether or not we really have any or are simply products of our environment. If we are simply products of our environment I'm sure we could be influenced to do a great number of things not up to us with or without a Government.

[Yorkvale]

Except the entire fabric of the US Government states that speech isn't granted, it's a right. The Government states that they protect your right to speech, not that they are giving it to you. And it isn't the government setting up courts to try people according to their own rules, it's people setting up courts to try themselves under their own codes of law they themselves written.

Rights are constructs by the government which they can limit and revoke at will.

Also, they try people according to the rules they have, passed by legislators that we may not necessarily have voted for, agree with, or trust can vote as we would in every circumstances (that would be too much to expect of them). This is hardly a code of law that the people, themselves, have written. In addition, I find it strange that you use the word "people", without precisely defining it, because the people is liable to be just any word word "the government", as in communist dictatorship, where the "People's Army" or the "People's Police" enforced the "People's Will" upon any dissent.

Well the US constitution would disagree with you there sir. Most laws are passed by legislators most of us agree with or have agreed with in the past, that we indeed did vote for. And since that legislator is one of us, he is indeed part of "the people".

This isn't china, this is America. And while it is in no way, shape, or form perfect, it is not a tyrannical authoritative dictatorship. And Governments are not inherently evil, as they exist in any social fabric. Even those you deem stateless, no matter how primitive, has a Government body.

[Federal Assemblies of the Centre]

Yeah, I think you got it wrong. The title is appealing and all but I don't think the problem wih anarchism is what you are saying. Maybe there is some of it with individualistic anarchism say Stirner's style, but is debatable. Look, the goal of anarchism is to abolish private ownership & State. One objective wont produce the desired effect without the other. Do you think people would ignore drug dealers or religious fundamentalists doings because there is not a supreme court? Think again, an anarchist territory would be highly organized based on the initiative of the people in place. Delegates elected by affected people will take tough decisions and put it to the specific assembly's debate to decide. Would they be abuses? Maybe, but there are abuses with every legal system today and many more terrible things happen in the world with capitalism ruling it. Anarchism doesn't think it's perfect, it just arguments that without it's influence in the organization of the world the actual potential of men and women can't be approched.
The problem that the anarchist movement has is that it has taken a beat from the Capitalism and as a result it doesn't look appealing to many people that are searching for an alternative. It's difficult to be a part of a collective that in many ways has been defeated, but it's worst to be part of the collectives that never fought for freedom and equality.
There is a limited number of political main beliefs, and very few that haven't been extensively tested in the organization of large territories for long periods of time (many generations). The ones tested showed the serious problems we know by history and by living in this society. Of the rest, the most important I think is anarchism. Nevertheless there are many examples, present and past, of people organizing equaly to address their issues and better society.
Probably one can say that our present anarchist aren't as good as the old ones, or we would obtain as a movement better results. On the other hand it has been impossible for the new movements to best the political intelligence found in his principles, classics and history. I truely think no one can call himself a solidary activist without having studied extensively anarchism.