Did Jesus exist?

[Defostrotsk]

Do the christian gospels, Pauline letters, and the Koran prove jesus existence?

These sources claim of jesus existence. They seem quite truthful because these sources were written at diffent places at different times by different people.

Or are these sources fallacious? If they are, how so?

edit:
Also there's the Jewish Talmud.

[The Wolven League]

Jesus existed historically. His divinity is what is challenged.

[Farnhamia]

Do the christian gospels, Pauline letters, and the Koran prove jesus existence? Or are these sources inherently fallacious? If they are, how so?

And your thoughts on this, hmm? It is considered polite to give your opinion and maybe some background. For instance, why do you think those documents prove Jesus' existence? Or do you think so?

[Bentrada]

As a human being? Probably.

[Majove]

Um, there is Roman historic documentation that shows that Jesus existed.
I will not say more because I don't want to debate, but there :3

[Eol Sha]

As a person, I think so. As a divine figure and the Son of God? Not really.

[Ifreann]

If not then who has been making my burritos?

[Wurtemburg-Baden]

MAYBE!

[Katyuscha]

If not then who has been making my burritos?

Damn, you beat me to it

[Farnhamia]

Um, there is Roman historic documentation that shows that Jesus existed.
I will not say more because I don't want to debate, but there :3

No, some Romans wrote about some guy called "Christus" or "Chrestus." That's not documentation.

And that said, if the OP doesn't punch up that first post, this is getting a lock slapped on it right quick.

[Defostrotsk]

Do the christian gospels, Pauline letters, and the Koran prove jesus existence? Or are these sources inherently fallacious? If they are, how so?

And your thoughts on this, hmm? It is considered polite to give your opinion and maybe some background. For instance, why do you think those documents prove Jesus' existence? Or do you think so?

I don't have an opinion on the subject currently. Only that these are claims and i am trying to falsify them. If i fail to falsify them, then i would take it as a fact.

[Majove]

Um, there is Roman historic documentation that shows that Jesus existed.
I will not say more because I don't want to debate, but there :3

No, some Romans wrote about some guy called "Christus" or "Chrestus." That's not documentation.

And that said, if the OP doesn't punch up that first post, this is getting a lock slapped on it right quick.

Ok, what about the fact that the tomb of Joseph of Aremethia (I probably misspelled that) is still around today?

[Eol Sha]

And your thoughts on this, hmm? It is considered polite to give your opinion and maybe some background. For instance, why do you think those documents prove Jesus' existence? Or do you think so?

I don't have an opinion on the subject currently. Only that these are claims and i am trying to falsify them. If i fail to falsify them, then i would take it as a fact.

That's not how the scientific process works.

[Khadgar]

And your thoughts on this, hmm? It is considered polite to give your opinion and maybe some background. For instance, why do you think those documents prove Jesus' existence? Or do you think so?

I don't have an opinion on the subject currently. Only that these are claims and i am trying to falsify them. If i fail to falsify them, then i would take it as a fact.

That's exactly opposite of how you should do it. Invisible pink unicorn and all that.

[Defostrotsk]

I don't have an opinion on the subject currently. Only that these are claims and i am trying to falsify them. If i fail to falsify them, then i would take it as a fact.

That's not how the scientific process works.

oops, my bad. we still lack evidence

Anyways, do these sources count as factual evidence of Jesus's existence?

[Farnhamia]

No, some Romans wrote about some guy called "Christus" or "Chrestus." That's not documentation.

And that said, if the OP doesn't punch up that first post, this is getting a lock slapped on it right quick.

Ok, what about the fact that the tomb of Joseph of Aremethia (I probably misspelled that) is still around today?

No one even knows where "Arimathea" was. It might be Ramleh but we're not sure. So, what tomb?

[The Wolven League]

That's not how the scientific process works.

oops, my bad. we still lack evidence

Anyways, do these sources count as factual evidence of Jesus's existence?

Farn said to update your OP.

[Khadgar]

That's not how the scientific process works. :eyebrow:

oops, my bad. we still lack evidence :)

Anyways, do these sources count as factual evidence of Jesus's existence?

No. The Bible has a shit ton of stuff that's absolute fantasy. Giants, a boat that carried all the animals in the world, a world wide flood, an Earth supported on pillars over an endless ocean. I could go on it's funny.

[England-Wales-France]

99.99999% No
00.000001 Maybe.

[The Wolven League]

99.99999% No
00.000001 Maybe.

Really? You don't even believe that he existed historically? Even during my atheist phase, I believed he existed. Even if he wasn't actually holy.

[Dhahn]

I don't believe religious texts alone are prove of anything; but they're a start. I don't believe in the majority of the qur'an/bible is true, but they did seem to be based upon real events. Jesus was probably real, I'm fairly certain that's agreed upon in the historical community, but he was most definitely not the son of any god. Using the bible or qur'an to prove jesus is like using the movie texas chainsaw as proof for Ed Gein, in my opinion.

[Ifreann]

Um, there is Roman historic documentation that shows that Jesus existed.
I will not say more because I don't want to debate, but there :3

No, some Romans wrote about some guy called "Christus" or "Chrestus." That's not documentation.

And that said, if the OP doesn't punch up that first post, this is getting a lock slapped on it right quick.

Farn be locking threads like they were bridges.

[Eol Sha]

That's not how the scientific process works.

oops, my bad. we still lack evidence

Anyways, do these sources count as factual evidence of Jesus's existence?

As in the religious texts you mentioned in the OP? No. You can't use texts that don't employ some form of rigorous scientific inquiry as evidence that Jesus was not only a real human, but also a divine being descended from God.

Its the same reasoning for why I don't believe that Ragnarok is a real event. I'm not going to take old myths at their word if they aren't accompanied by evidence acquired from rigorous scientific testing and peer review.

[Eol Sha]

I don't believe religious texts alone are prove of anything; but they're a start. I don't believe in the majority of the qur'an/bible is true, but they did seem to be based upon real events. Jesus was probably real, I'm fairly certain that's agreed upon in the historical community, but he was most definitely not the son of any god. Using the bible or qur'an to prove jesus is like using the movie texas chainsaw as proof for Ed Gein, in my opinion.

Maybe Jesus' father was actually named God and Joseph was just a pen name.

[Defostrotsk]

oops, my bad. we still lack evidence

Anyways, do these sources count as factual evidence of Jesus's existence?

No. The Bible has a shit ton of stuff that's absolute fantasy. Giants, a boat that carried all the animals in the world, a world wide flood, an Earth supported on pillars over an endless ocean. I could go on it's funny.

Well, The bible is a collection. That is why i specifically chose the documents i mentioned.