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Opinion on the religion? Please Explain

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Postby Fianncht » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:32 am

Apparently I should actually read the rules.

So I posted this yesterday, but I failed with posting my opinion on it. But then again I will ask you, then I will precede with my own answer. So here it is the question I must ask. What does Nation-States think about Druidry? Personally I believe it is a good religion based on naturalism, it is peaceful in many ways, but their are the gods of war. It is a more free religion, I like it personally and the cool thing is that some druid groups aren't real druids. They are "Christian-Druids" Which are Christians that celebrate their holidays in Druid fashion. The whole topic is quite fascinating.

I personally am a Druid, I decided that being one would enhance my knowledge of things. So far it has, widened my view of the modern world as not the cleanest state. Animals are also interesting for Druids they are important almost like how Christians say the cross and other religious symbols are important. So what do you think Nation states?

I hope this does not violate the rules of the forum.
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Postby Aelex » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:33 am

Church's Jacobinism. We eradicated you. Get over it.
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Postby Fianncht » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:40 am

Aelex wrote:Church's Jacobinism. We eradicated you. Get over it.

Not really an opinion on the religion.
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Postby Aelex » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:42 am

Fianncht wrote:
Aelex wrote:Church's Jacobinism. We eradicated you. Get over it.

Not really an opinion on the religion.

Honestly, it's pure hippy stuff but if you wanna believe in it, I don't see why I would stop you unless you try to sacrifice things bigger than a cat or a dog to belenos, tuttatis or epona... :p
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Postby Fianncht » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:45 am

Aelex wrote:
Fianncht wrote:Not really an opinion on the religion.

Honestly, it's pure hippy stuff but if you wanna believe in it, I don't see why I would stop you unless you try to sacrifice things bigger than a cat or a dog to belenos, tuttatis or epona... :p

I don't think those are druid gods or goddesses. But then again I could be wrong, I only recognize the Mainland Druidry, which is Great Britain, Ireland, and Gaul. Also thank you for your opinion.
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Postby Aelex » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:49 am

Fianncht wrote:I don't think those are druid gods or goddesses. But then again I could be wrong, I only recognize the Mainland Druidry, which is Great Britain, Ireland, and Gaul. Also thank you for your opinion.

Belenos, Toutatis and Epona are all Gallic Gods. If you don't recognize them, then you're not a true druid... :p
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Postby Fianncht » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:51 am

Aelex wrote:
Fianncht wrote:I don't think those are druid gods or goddesses. But then again I could be wrong, I only recognize the Mainland Druidry, which is Great Britain, Ireland, and Gaul. Also thank you for your opinion.

Belenos, Toutatis and Epona are all Gallic Gods. If you don't recognize them, then you're not a true druid... :p

I don't recognize them, though I am an Irish Druid, these are not my gods. Also Belenus threw me off course why was it patron of Aquileia?
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Postby Menassa » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:09 am

I was confused between Druid and Druze for a time, that's my sole experience with Druids.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:49 am

Fixed druids? The poor things!
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Postby Avaerilon » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:55 am

Aelex wrote:Belenos, Toutatis and Epona are all Gallic Gods. If you don't recognize them, then you're not a true druid... :p


Gaulish/Continental Celtic is more correct than "Gallic;" the latter is mostly reserved as a term to denote something French in Celticist circles.
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Postby Fianncht » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:59 am

The Holy Therns wrote:Fixed druids? The poor things!

I just put fixed because I am not sure I can use the same title for a recent post.
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Did the druids worship the sun, because if you're not a sun worshiper you can get out of my face.
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Did the druids worship the sun, because if you're not a sun worshiper you can get out of my face.

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Postby Kilobugya » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:12 am

Bad, as all other religions.
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Postby Rhoderberg » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:13 am

Kilobugya wrote:Bad, as all other religions.

>not praising the sun

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Postby Fianncht » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:36 am

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Did the druids worship the sun, because if you're not a sun worshiper you can get out of my face.

Of course, we have a god of the sun. Actually Lugh is the god of the sun.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:37 am

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Did the druids worship the sun, because if you're not a sun worshiper you can get out of my face.


I thought they worshipped trees?
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Postby Fianncht » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:38 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Did the druids worship the sun, because if you're not a sun worshiper you can get out of my face.


I thought they worshipped trees?

Druids worship nature, trees are just one of many things.
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Fianncht wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Did the druids worship the sun, because if you're not a sun worshiper you can get out of my face.

Of course, we have a god of the sun. Actually Lugh is the god of the sun.

Then we can engage in jolly cooperation.

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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Did the druids worship the sun, because if you're not a sun worshiper you can get out of my face.


I thought they worshipped trees?

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Postby Cetacea » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:45 am

Fianncht wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
I thought they worshipped trees?

Druids worship nature, trees are just one of many things.


no they don't

the only thing really known about real druids is that they were educated seers, healers and judges trained in secret caves who believed in reincarnation, made potions out of mistletoe, sacrificed animals and burnt human in giant Wickermen.
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Hailing the moon in a native word that means 'healing all things,' they prepare a ritual sacrifice and banquet beneath a tree and bring up two white bulls, whose horns are bound for the first time on this occasion. A priest arrayed in white vestments climbs the tree and, with a golden sickle, cuts down the mistletoe, which is caught in a white cloak. Then finally they kill the victims, praying to a god to render his gift propitious to those on whom he has bestowed it


Neo-Druidism are neo-pagan philosophies created in the 18th Century as part of the celtic romanticism. The veneration of nature was an exaggeration of basic fertility rituals and has led to all kinds of weird variations from Christian druidism to feminist Goddess worship, ancestor veneration and celtic polytheism. I think such religious reconstructionism is perfectly valid but should not be misconstrued as historic

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Postby Avaerilon » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:23 am

Cetacea wrote:
no they don't

the only thing really known about real druids is that they were educated seers, healers and judges trained in secret caves who believed in reincarnation, made potions out of mistletoe, sacrificed animals and burnt human in giant Wickermen.
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Hailing the moon in a native word that means 'healing all things,' they prepare a ritual sacrifice and banquet beneath a tree and bring up two white bulls, whose horns are bound for the first time on this occasion. A priest arrayed in white vestments climbs the tree and, with a golden sickle, cuts down the mistletoe, which is caught in a white cloak. Then finally they kill the victims, praying to a god to render his gift propitious to those on whom he has bestowed it



Indeed we know very little, but one shouldn't trust Classical sources unquestioningly when dealing with Celts, etc. There is a degree of bias, for one thing, and a tendency among some to rely on the accounts of others. On the druids, we know less than you've listed above for certain. Druids were not educated as such- they were almost certainly illiterate, at least most of them- though they would have been likely repositories of tribal/et al stories, accounts, rites and knowledge. The healer aspect is not attested to that strongly at all, though you're correct about the judges. The caves thing is very uncertain indeed, and likely false. The latter points are totally uncertain of the majority of Gaulish and British druids, save for animal sacrifice, which appears to have been, as with Italic and Greek religions, commonplace.
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Ahistorical hippy nonsense. The Romans stamped out real druids millenia ago.
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More harmless and appealing than most of the religions I run across (I type as I glance out of the window to the Church of Scientology across the street from this hospital).

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Postby Aelex » Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:01 pm

Avaerilon wrote:
Aelex wrote:Belenos, Toutatis and Epona are all Gallic Gods. If you don't recognize them, then you're not a true druid... :p


Gaulish/Continental Celtic is more correct than "Gallic;" the latter is mostly reserved as a term to denote something French in Celticist circles.

Gaulish is the language, Gallic is the nationality. Just check wordreference if you don't trust me.
Anyway, I'll say "Gaulois" just to annoy every non-francophone. :p
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