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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:48 am

Somehow I'm not surprised:

ISTANBUL—Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is planning a military intervention into northern Syria to prevent Syrian Kurds from forming their own state there, despite concerns among his own generals and possible criticism from Washington and other NATO allies, according to reports in both pro- and anti-government media.

In a speech last Friday, Erdogan vowed that Turkey would not accept a move by Syrian Kurds to set up their own state in Syria following gains by Kurdish fighters against the so-called Islamic State, or ISIS, in recent weeks. “I am saying this to the whole world: We will never allow the establishment of a state on our southern border in the north of Syria,” Erdogan said. “We will continue our fight in that respect whatever the cost may be.” He accused Syrian Kurds of ethnic cleansing in Syrian areas under their control.

Following the speech, several news outlets reported that the president and Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu had decided to send the Turkish army into Syria, a hugely significant move by NATO’s second biggest fighting force after the U.S. military. Both the daily Yeni Safak, a mouthpiece of the government, and the newspaper Sozcu, which is among Erdogan’s fiercest critics, ran stories saying the Turkish Army had received orders to send soldiers over the border. Several other media had similar stories, all quoting unnamed sources in Ankara. There has been no official confirmation or denial by the government.

The government refused to comment on the reports. Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said “the necessary statement” would be issued after a regular meeting of the National Security Council, which comprises the president, the government and military leaders, this Tuesday.

The reports said up to 18,000 soldiers would be deployed to take over and hold a strip of territory up to 30 kilometers deep and 100 kilometers long that currently is held by ISIS. It stretches from close to the Kurdish-controlled city of Kobani in the east to an area further west held by the pro-Western Free Syrian Army (FSA) and other rebel groups, beginning around the town of Mare. This “Mare Line,” as the press calls it, is to be secured with ground troops, artillery and air cover, the reports said. Yeni Safak reported preparations were due to be finalized by next Friday.


Well lather me in oil and stick your hands down my pants. Erdogan has made yet another patented "Best Idea Ever". This time, 18,000 Turkish troops are going into Syria to put a stop to the advances of one of the many factions fighting in Syria. But is he going to go after the genocidal religious fanatics that have shocked humanity with their utterly depraved barbarity? Nope. He's going after the Kurds, who have been literally fighting for their lives.

Just what the living fuck does Erdogan think he's going to achieve from this? By severely weakening the Kurds, he's basically enabling ISIS to do what they do best: kill fuckloads of people at once. Way to go Erdogan. Wouldn't be the first time Turkey's been complacent in genocide. But really, I shouldn't be surprised at this. It's pretty damned obvious the current Turkish government has been enabling the rise of extremist factions in Syria and even aiding them by providing them with weapons and ammunition, as well as a safe way to get jihadis from Europe into the Middle East.

So, what do we think of Erdogan's latest shenanigans, NSG?

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Postby Bezombia » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:50 am

Hah.

It's almost like he wants ISIS to invade Turkey.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:50 am

No Turkey, stahp!
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:53 am

Bezombia wrote:Hah.

It's almost like he wants ISIS to invade Turkey.


I've also just realized something: what the hell is Syria going to do in response?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:55 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
Bezombia wrote:Hah.

It's almost like he wants ISIS to invade Turkey.


I've also just realized something: what the hell is Syria going to do in response?


I'm not sure they have any barrels free at the moment.
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Postby Kilobugya » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:58 am

Erdogan semi-official support for ISIS and eagerness on fighting the Kurds, who are the only ones able (so far) to stop ISIS is indeed very shameful. Time for international sanctions against Turkey ? Or that's only for Russia and Iran ?
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Postby The Chinese Mainland » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:09 am

Why is Turkey still in NATO?

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Postby Camicon » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:53 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
I've also just realized something: what the hell is Syria going to do in response?


I'm not sure they have any barrels free at the moment.

Even if they did, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Support the Kurds and add another enemy, and serious military threat, to their list of enemies? Or support Turkey, and lose a valuable ally in their fight against ISIS and other such groups.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:11 am

Talk about taking advantage of a crisis.....once Europe has dealt with Greece were going to have to drop a few democracy bombs on Turky. Shame that the targets will include that eyesore of a palace that was just completed. :p
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Postby Dixie » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:32 am

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Bezombia wrote:Hah.

It's almost like he wants ISIS to invade Turkey.


I've also just realized something: what the hell is Syria going to do in response?

Pray that this move focuses ISIS at Istanbul instead of Damascus?
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Postby Risottia » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:34 am

Costa Fierro wrote:Somehow I'm not surprised:

ISTANBUL—Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is planning a military intervention into northern Syria to prevent Syrian Kurds from forming their own state there, despite concerns among his own generals and possible criticism from Washington and other NATO allies, according to reports in both pro- and anti-government media.

And guess who's best buddy of ISIS. We're not surprised, Tayyip.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:35 am

Is this guy actually an idiot? He could go after a genocidal death cult, or he could go after the people pushing back said genocidal death cult. It shouldn't be a hard choice.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:38 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Is this guy actually an idiot?

No, he's just playing his part in the half-covert extremist Sunni alliance between Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan, which uses ISIS as a tool, and whose grand strategical aim is fucking up the Shiite front led by Iran and featuring Syria and potentially Iraq and Yemen.
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Postby Lindenholt » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:44 am

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:49 am

Risottia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Is this guy actually an idiot?

No, he's just playing his part in the half-covert extremist Sunni alliance between Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan, which uses ISIS as a tool, and whose grand strategical aim is fucking up the Shiite front led by Iran and featuring Syria and potentially Iraq and Yemen.

Isn't Saudi Arabia bombing ISIS?
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Postby New Granadeseret » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:50 am

To give him credit where credit is due, Turkey hasen't exactly had the best relations with militant and nationalist Kurdish groups in the past. I can see why Turkish leadership would have legitimist concerns with a state founded by similar groups right on their southern border. Plus, if it violates Syrian territorial integrity, that would basically involve that region becoming a Syrian-Kurdish warzone for the foreseeable future, even after ISIS falls... something Turkey obviously has an interest in preventing (Even if Erdogan completely botched the delivery with his trademark bluster... and probably sees the situation through a much more twisted lenses.)
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Postby Calimera II » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:51 am

And the chance of this happening is..?

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:52 am

New Granadeseret wrote:To give him credit where credit is due, Turkey hasen't exactly had the best relations with militant and nationalist Kurdish groups in the past. I can see why Turkish leadership would have legitimist concerns with a state founded by similar groups right on their southern border. Plus, if it violates Syrian territorial integrity, that would basically involve that region becoming a Syrian-Kurdish warzone for the foreseeable future, even after ISIS falls... something Turkey obviously has an interest in preventing (Even if Erdogan completely botched the delivery with his trademark bluster... and probably sees the situation through a much more twisted lenses.)

Obviously it's much better it becoming a Syrian-Turkish warzone. Because we all know how much countries love other countries fighting within their boarders, don't we?
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Postby Risottia » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:53 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Risottia wrote:No, he's just playing his part in the half-covert extremist Sunni alliance between Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan, which uses ISIS as a tool, and whose grand strategical aim is fucking up the Shiite front led by Iran and featuring Syria and potentially Iraq and Yemen.

Isn't Saudi Arabia bombing ISIS?

They're actually more worried about the Houthi insurgence in Yemen. ISIS is a tool: it must be reminded, from time to time, of what it is allowed to do.
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Postby Avaerilon » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:54 am

...aaaaaaand I foolishly thought Erdogan's policies couldn't get any more stupid. I was very, very wrong indeed.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:55 am

Risottia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Isn't Saudi Arabia bombing ISIS?

They're actually more worried about the Houthi insurgence in Yemen. ISIS is a tool: it must be reminded, from time to time, of what it is allowed to do.

And Israel is, at last, the one country that plays the 'somebody elses problem' card in both conflicts.
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Postby New Granadeseret » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:58 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
New Granadeseret wrote:To give him credit where credit is due, Turkey hasen't exactly had the best relations with militant and nationalist Kurdish groups in the past. I can see why Turkish leadership would have legitimist concerns with a state founded by similar groups right on their southern border. Plus, if it violates Syrian territorial integrity, that would basically involve that region becoming a Syrian-Kurdish warzone for the foreseeable future, even after ISIS falls... something Turkey obviously has an interest in preventing (Even if Erdogan completely botched the delivery with his trademark bluster... and probably sees the situation through a much more twisted lenses.)

Obviously it's much better it becoming a Syrian-Turkish warzone. Because we all know how much countries love other countries fighting within their boarders, don't we?


He's talking about a military intervention; not actually annexing the territory. If it were the later, then I'd agree that's a terrible idea... but how is maintaining Syrian territorial integrity by removing separatists something that would draw err in Damascus? And it's certainly not the best deal for Turkey, what with it continuing the refugee crisis and placing a nation allied with subversive elements in their own society right on the border.

Of course, it's possible Turkey won't withdraw at the end of the conflict, but that's not something that can be predicted this far in advance?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:59 am

Avaerilon wrote:...aaaaaaand I foolishly thought Erdogan's policies couldn't get any more stupid. I was very, very wrong indeed.

Yeah pretty much.

Fuck that man, he is a complete and utter scumbag if he goes through with this (he already is one, but this will be the icing on the scumbag cake)
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