Corporal punishment; the answer to bullying?

[Novorobo]

I'm sure by now most of you have heard; bullying is out of control. Some of these kids won't learn by being suspended, or even by being given detention. We already know prison would just make them worse by surrounding them with those with more experience at committing violence, but everything else seems neutral, at best.

Might it now be an idea to bring back corporal punishment? To give violent kids a taste of their own medicine? By what standard is a violent kid anything but a hypocrite to complain about being hit?

[Alyakia]

ah yes let's teach these kids, who are in many cases already victims of violence which is what is making them act out in the first place, that violence is totally an acceptable way to deal with problems. yeah that will solve our violence problems.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

I'm sure by now most of you have heard; bullying is out of control. Some of these kids won't learn by being suspended, or even by being given detention. We already know prison would just make them worse by surrounding them with those with more experience at committing violence, but everything else seems neutral, at best.

Might it now be an idea to bring back corporal punishment? To give violent kids a taste of their own medicine? By what standard is a violent kid anything but a hypocrite to complain about being hit?

Heck no. You'll only drive them into becoming more violent. Plus it's child abuse.

[Scomagia]

Children aren't television sets. Hitting them doesn't make them function better.

[Shnercropolis]

ah yes let's teach these kids, who are in many cases already victims of violence which is what is making them act out in the first place, that violence is totally an acceptable way to deal with problems. yeah that will solve our violence problems.

well yeah violence is an acceptable way to deal with problems. Look at all the wonder violence has done:
-made America #1
-allowed capitalism to vastly improve the lives of about 25-30% of the global populace
-made poor people rich
-caught criminals
-ended wars

[The 502nd SS]

They deserve to be spanked!

[Neutraligon]

Children aren't television sets. Hitting them doesn't make them function better.

Seems to make their speakers work better...

[Iwassoclose]

Children aren't television sets. Hitting them doesn't make them function better.

...its conditioning. It does make them function better.

[Alyakia]

ah yes let's teach these kids, who are in many cases already victims of violence which is what is making them act out in the first place, that violence is totally an acceptable way to deal with problems. yeah that will solve our violence problems.

well yeah violence is an acceptable way to deal with problems. Look at all the wonder violence has done:
-made America #1
-allowed capitalism to vastly improve the lives of about 25-30% of the global populace
-made poor people rich
-caught criminals
-ended wars

is this a serious post? because i don't want to get into all the wars started, criminals aided and people tortured if it's not serious.

[Scomagia]

Children aren't television sets. Hitting them doesn't make them function better.

...its conditioning. It does make them function better.

Let's see some sources to that effect, then.

[The New Sea Territory]

You beat the shit out of Bill. That's wrong.

We're going to beat the shit out of you to tell you how bad beating the shit out of Bill is.

[Alyakia]

Children aren't television sets. Hitting them doesn't make them function better.

...its conditioning. It does make them function better.

hmm well almost every study shows that corporal punishment has negative effects on children but i am sure you are ready to drop some common sense on us and b those the science types t fo as i have been lead to understand that the kids say these days

[The New Sea Territory]

Children aren't television sets. Hitting them doesn't make them function better.

...its conditioning. It does make them function better.

Bullshit.

[Novorobo]

ah yes let's teach these kids, who are in many cases already victims of violence which is what is making them act out in the first place, that violence is totally an acceptable way to deal with problems. yeah that will solve our violence problems.

I couldn't help but notice the phrase "in many cases." Not all of them actually are. Isn't that more of a reason to make it depend on the individual than avoid it altogether?

And if they suspect in some cases that is what's going on, shouldn't they then refer that to the police and investigate that?

Violence is not just violence. Violence against the violent is different from violence against the non-violent.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Children aren't television sets. Hitting them doesn't make them function better.

...its conditioning. It does make them function better.

No it doesn't.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

ah yes let's teach these kids, who are in many cases already victims of violence which is what is making them act out in the first place, that violence is totally an acceptable way to deal with problems. yeah that will solve our violence problems.

I side with Alyakia.

You beat the shit out of Bill. That's wrong.

We're going to beat the shit out of you to tell you how bad beating the shit out of Bill is.

"You deny pissing in the tub and blame your mischievous brother? That's wrong. Now I'll beat you both with a tennis racket to teach you how bad denying pissing in the tub is."
-said someone I fear/hate.

[The New Sea Territory]

Violence is not just violence. Violence against the violent is different from violence against the non-violent.

Not really. Using violence against those who are violent is lowering yourself to their illegitimacy. Might never makes right.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

ah yes let's teach these kids, who are in many cases already victims of violence which is what is making them act out in the first place, that violence is totally an acceptable way to deal with problems. yeah that will solve our violence problems.

I couldn't help but notice the phrase "in many cases." Not all of them actually are. Isn't that more of a reason to make it depend on the individual than avoid it altogether?

And if they suspect in some cases that is what's going on, shouldn't they then refer that to the police and investigate that?

Violence is not just violence. Violence against the violent is different from violence against the non-violent.

What?
[x] is not just [x]?
Is this special pleading? Mate, while the former feels different, it probably isn't much different at all.

[The New Sea Territory]

I couldn't help but notice the phrase "in many cases." Not all of them actually are. Isn't that more of a reason to make it depend on the individual than avoid it altogether?

And if they suspect in some cases that is what's going on, shouldn't they then refer that to the police and investigate that?

Violence is not just violence. Violence against the violent is different from violence against the non-violent.

What?
[x] is not just [x]?
Is this special pleading? Mate, while the former feels different, it probably isn't much different at all.

A is not A! War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery!

[The United Colonies of Earth]

What?
[x] is not just [x]?
Is this special pleading? Mate, while the former feels different, it probably isn't much different at all.

A is not A! War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery!

Oceania is Eastasia! We've always been at war with Eurasia when we've never been at war with Eurasia!
I hate doublethink and contrary statements, even when I do!

[The Original Galactic Empire]

You obviously gather all the bullies of the world and have them live in one town in peace for ten weeks before nuking it until all that's left is a glass flat.

[Godular]

Community Service in addition to alternative education might be something to consider. Especially SUMMER community service. Let the little thug spend some of his precious vacation time picking up garbage on the side of the road.

[Iwassoclose]

...its conditioning. It does make them function better.

Let's see some sources to that effect, then.

Here is an example of how it works

Classical Conditioning a Fear Response

One of the most famous examples of classical conditioning was John B. Watson's experiment in which a fear response was conditioned in a young boy known as Little Albert. The child initially showed no fear of a white rat, but after the presentation of the rat was paired repeatedly with loud, scary sounds, the child would cry when the rat was present. The child's fear also generalized to other fuzzy white objects.

Let's examine the elements of this classic experiment. Prior to the conditioning, the white rat was a neutral stimulus. The unconditioned stimulus was the loud, clanging sounds and the unconditioned response was the fear response created by the noise. By repeatedly pairing the rat with the unconditioned stimulus, the white rat (now the conditioned stimulus) came to evoke the fear response (now the conditioned response).

You can learn more about this famous study in this overview of the Little Albert experiment as well as some more information on the controversy about Little Albert.

This experiment illustrates how phobias can form through classical conditioning. In many cases, a single pairing of a neutral stimulus (a dog, for example) and a frightening experience (being bitten by the dog) can lead to a lasting phobia (being afraid of dogs).

http://psychology.about.com/od/behavior ... sscond.htm

Parents have been conditioning their kids forever.

[Benian Republic]

Or we teach the ids being bullied to fight back.

[Sanctissima]

No.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Most of these kids are victims of domestic violence themselves. Corporal punishment would just make the matter worse, not better.