by Lumeau » Tue May 05, 2015 6:33 am
by Conservative Values » Tue May 05, 2015 7:19 am
by Ifreann » Tue May 05, 2015 7:28 am
Conservative Values wrote:I do not personally believe that lightly endorsing religion in general is in violation of the establishment clause, because it is widely applicable to many religious beliefs.
I also think it is a silly thing to be upset about in U.S. Politics because it is so harmless and feeds the crazed narrative of "war on Christianity." Last Gallup I saw didn't even show big opposition from the non-religious, because it is just an event of no consequence every year.
by Lumeau » Tue May 05, 2015 7:33 am
Conservative Values wrote:I do not personally believe that lightly endorsing religion in general is in violation of the establishment clause, because it is widely applicable to many religious beliefs. I also think it is a silly thing to be upset about in U.S. Politics because it is so harmless and feeds the crazed narrative of "war on Christianity." Last Gallup I saw didn't even show big opposition from the non-religious, because it is just an event of no consequence every year.
by Hladgos » Tue May 05, 2015 7:36 am
by Conservative Values » Tue May 05, 2015 7:37 am
Ifreann wrote:Conservative Values wrote:I do not personally believe that lightly endorsing religion in general is in violation of the establishment clause, because it is widely applicable to many religious beliefs.
It really isn't, though. "God" as a proper noun is really only used to refer to the deity of the Christian religion.I also think it is a silly thing to be upset about in U.S. Politics because it is so harmless and feeds the crazed narrative of "war on Christianity." Last Gallup I saw didn't even show big opposition from the non-religious, because it is just an event of no consequence every year.
If it's an event of no consequence then there should be no opposition to it being removed.
by Bombadil » Tue May 05, 2015 7:43 am
Ifreann wrote:Conservative Values wrote:I do not personally believe that lightly endorsing religion in general is in violation of the establishment clause, because it is widely applicable to many religious beliefs.
It really isn't, though. "God" as a proper noun is really only used to refer to the deity of the Christian religion.
by Tunasai » Tue May 05, 2015 7:45 am
by Hladgos » Tue May 05, 2015 7:50 am
Tunasai wrote:I'm going to add fuel to the fire here, in an effort to evoke the ire of those who despise my kind. I am religious right, Conservative Christian, and I support the National Day of Prayer...
Now to give respect to the OP and the question, the gain from this isn't worth the fight. Yes, to a secularist this day might leave a bad taste, but removing it will only just embolden the Conservative Christians who you aren't too fond of to begin with. By taking away this day all you will accomplish is pissing off a good portion of America who will be inspired to push back at every level. At that point ask yourself, is this fight worth the trouble?
by Ifreann » Tue May 05, 2015 7:51 am
Conservative Values wrote:Ifreann wrote:It really isn't, though. "God" as a proper noun is really only used to refer to the deity of the Christian religion.
If it's an event of no consequence then there should be no opposition to it being removed.
I wouldn't really care that much if it were removed, personally. But any candidate or leader who made it a big priority would be off-putting, at it seems pretty anti-religion.
I don't think anyone is required or encouraged to pray to god/God (proper noun or otherwise) on the national day of prayer. Pray to Allah, pray to Odin if it floats your viking boat. Or don't pray and ignore the holiday. It is a day to do all of those things, and the government does not care which you do.
by Lumeau » Tue May 05, 2015 7:53 am
Tunasai wrote:I'm going to add fuel to the fire here, in an effort to evoke the ire of those who despise my kind. I am religious right, Conservative Christian, and I support the National Day of Prayer...
Now to give respect to the OP and the question, the gain from this isn't worth the fight. Yes, to a secularist this day might leave a bad taste, but removing it will only just embolden the Conservative Christians who you aren't too fond of to begin with. By taking away this day all you will accomplish is pissing off a good portion of America who will be inspired to push back at every level. At that point ask yourself, is this fight worth the trouble?
by Ifreann » Tue May 05, 2015 8:00 am
Tunasai wrote:I'm going to add fuel to the fire here, in an effort to evoke the ire of those who despise my kind. I am religious right, Conservative Christian, and I support the National Day of Prayer...
Now to give respect to the OP and the question, the gain from this isn't worth the fight. Yes, to a secularist this day might leave a bad taste, but removing it will only just embolden the Conservative Christians who you aren't too fond of to begin with. By taking away this day all you will accomplish is pissing off a good portion of America who will be inspired to push back at every level. At that point ask yourself, is this fight worth the trouble?
by Aggicificicerous » Tue May 05, 2015 8:37 am
by Ifreann » Tue May 05, 2015 9:08 am
Aggicificicerous wrote:Officially, the National Day of Prayer is probably constitutional because it does not endorse any specific religion. Unofficially, we all know that it does. It shouldn't exist, but it probably won't be getting abolished in the foreseeable future.
by French Realms » Tue May 05, 2015 4:03 pm
by Russels Orbiting Teapot » Tue May 05, 2015 4:10 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach » Tue May 05, 2015 4:15 pm
by New Albian » Tue May 05, 2015 4:15 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach » Tue May 05, 2015 4:16 pm
French Realms wrote:I am glad there is still a day of prayer in America. Religion is very important in culture. America needs faith. We can be a great nation with God's guidance.
by Russels Orbiting Teapot » Tue May 05, 2015 4:18 pm
Cyrisnia wrote:If people aren't being forced to pray, I don't see an issue.
by French Realms » Tue May 05, 2015 4:19 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach » Tue May 05, 2015 4:20 pm
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