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What do you do?

Go outside and try to help.
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Stay inside and save yourself.
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Postby Sanctissima » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:51 pm

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So this is a moral scenario.

Why, what did you think it was going to be?

Anyway, it's a question about the idea of self-preservation vs. morality. Allow me to lay out the details...

You're spending your holiday break with a group of friends at a ski-resort. You're not that much into skiing, but hey, it seemed like a good idea at the time. One afternoon, while using the ski lift, you and your friends notice the wind pick-up. By the time you reach the top of the hill, the snow is falling rather heavily, and its looking like it will soon be a full-blown blizzard. Despite this, your friends convince you to do one last run down the hill before calling it a day and heading back to the resort. While skiing down the hill, the weather is really taking a turn for the worse, and white-out conditions have begun. Barely able to see what's in front of you, you call out to your friends and wait for their voices in order to provide some form of direction.

They don't yell back.

Panicking, you keep trudging on. After what seemed like a mere matter of minutes, you realize that you're no longer going downhill. The ground is flat, and you can see trees in the distance. Worried that you've gone in the wrong direction, you look at your watch. You've been walking for hours. As you reach for your cellphone to call for help, feeling an empty pocket where the distinct bulge of your phone should be, a horrible feeling runs down your spine. You left your phone at the resort, have lost your sense of direction, and are lost.

Seeking some form of protection from the storm, you go into the nearby trees, entering what seems to be a vast forest. Part of your brain tells you that you should just wait where you are and not go any further, but you're hungry, scared and panicking. After walking for hours with the desperate hope of finding a nearby town or camping site, you stumble upon what looks like a shack in the distance. Running to it and yelling for help, you're greeted by a rough-looking man wearing a coat of furs coming out of the shack's door, armed with a double-barrel shotgun. After explaining your situation to him, he lets you in.

Warming yourself by the shack's stove while enjoying a bowl of meat stew, the man strikes up a conversation with you. Turns out that he's the former CFO of a major corporation who gave it all up to move to the wilderness and live the life of a rustic pioneer. Fortunately, although he has no cellphone, the man does have an old telegraph that he can use to contact a nearby ranger station. After contacting the rangers, he tells you that a ranger will arrive to escort you back to the ski resort in 5 hours. Whilst admiring his set of hunting knives, he tells you that he's going outside for 2 hours to gather firewood.

After waiting around and repeatedly looking out the window, you see the man returning with firewood in hand. All seems well, but suddenly, a grizzly bear comes out of nowhere, attacks the man and proceeds to maul him. As he struggles to keep the bear from mauling him to death, the man is tackled to the ground and unable to reach his shotgun holstered on his back.

There isn't much time. The shotgun outside is the only firearm nearby, but you could use one of the hunting knives as a weapon. It's definitely not enough to kill the bear, but stabbing it might distract it and buy the man enough time to grab his shotgun and shoot. Then again, there's no guarantee that by the time you get outside the man will still be conscious, or alive, and you'd be risking your life. The ranger won't be here for another 3 hours, so if the bear pins you down, you're both dead. The shack door comes with a pretty sturdy lock, so you could just bar it shut and save yourself.

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Tiocfaidh Allah
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Postby Tiocfaidh Allah » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:53 pm

Go outside and fuck that bears shit up.

I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I was such a coward as to hide.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:53 pm

….this is the most convoluted and situational hypothetical "dilemma" I've ever seen.

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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:00 pm

This really doesn't amount to a dilemma. It's a simple matter of courage and ability. If I thought I had a decent chance of succeeding and saving him I would go out there. Otherwise I would lock the door. My evaluation of that would come down to an assessment of my physical condition and the size and ferocity of the bear.

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Postby Mysterious Stranger » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:00 pm

Oh shit. Grab the knives and get the fire you mentioned earlier, set the largest piece of wood you can on fire, run out there. Throw something at the bear as you're running up. If it starts to chase you immediately, run back to the shack and get behind the door. The guy will have the whole time it's running to the shack and back to get his gun. If he doesn't grab it, he's probably dead or unconscious. In that case, go try to get the gun yourself, quickly.
If the bear didn't start to chase you, run over there, use the torch to ward off the bear. If it's possible, grab the gun yourself. If not, attack the bear with knives unless the woodsman is clearly unconscious. If he's unconscious... Do something clever.

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Postby Sanctissima » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:12 pm

Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:This really doesn't amount to a dilemma. It's a simple matter of courage and ability. If I thought I had a decent chance of succeeding and saving him I would go out there. Otherwise I would lock the door. My evaluation of that would come down to an assessment of my physical condition and the size and ferocity of the bear.


There's still the chance that the man is conscious. If so, you could take the risk of stabbing the bear and getting its attention. This would give enough time for the man to grab his rifle and shoot.

Then again, if the man's unconscious, you're fucked.

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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:43 pm

Sanctissima wrote:There's still the chance that the man is conscious. If so, you could take the risk of stabbing the bear and getting its attention. This would give enough time for the man to grab his rifle and shoot.

Then again, if the man's unconscious, you're fucked.


His condition would also be a factor. Honestly I wouldn't have time to analyze, I would simply ask myself 'can I save him' and my subconscious would answer.

Hopefully I would think to use fire like the above poster. That is far more likely to achieve something than a human with a knife. If I used knives, I would probably throw them from a distance in hopes of getting the bear to chase me and then run. That would be more likely to succeed than me provoking the bear into swiping me aside and might not give the man the opening he needs.

This isn't a moral dilemma, it's a tactical dilemma.

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Postby In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:45 pm

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Postby Page » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:49 pm

Interesting although bears don't attack people just for shits and giggles, pretty much everyone ever mauled by a bear absolutely did something to deserve it. I suppose I would knife the bear and then run inside if it charged me.
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Postby Ardoki » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:14 pm

I would just watch him die; it would be pointless to try and save him as he would most likely be dead by the time you get there, and even if I can try I would probably get hurt and die. After the bear kills him I would just go back into the shack, on the bright side I would be scared alone in the woods with someone I don't know who has weapons as I've seen horror films.

EDIT: I'm a coward and would selfishly prioritise my life over his.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:26 pm

I would take inspiration from Jaime Lannister.

I would take the knife, rush outside, and aim for the head with my jab. The bear would immediately die if I hit it there.

''A Lannister Always Pays His Debts'' and so should I. This man saved my life, my code of honour demands that I return the favour if I get the chance.

I owe him a life debt.

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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:33 pm

I honestly do not know what I would do.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:38 pm

Kill the man with the knife and make friends with the bear. Problem solved.
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:40 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I would take inspiration from Jaime Lannister.

I would take the knife, rush outside, and aim for the head with my jab. The bear would immediately die if I hit it there.

''A Lannister Always Pays His Debts'' and so should I. This man saved my life, my code of honour demands that I return the favour if I get the chance.

I owe him a life debt.

If the bear doesn't look up noticing you rushing outside in deep snow to kill him then biting you multiple times crippling you then returning to his meal then yes that would work perfectly.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:42 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I would take inspiration from Jaime Lannister.

I would take the knife, rush outside, and aim for the head with my jab. The bear would immediately die if I hit it there.

''A Lannister Always Pays His Debts'' and so should I. This man saved my life, my code of honour demands that I return the favour if I get the chance.

I owe him a life debt.

A knife to the head of a bear would be near to impossible, considering the situation and considering you'd have to jab pretty hard in order to kill.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:44 pm

Seno Zhou Varada wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I would take inspiration from Jaime Lannister.

I would take the knife, rush outside, and aim for the head with my jab. The bear would immediately die if I hit it there.

''A Lannister Always Pays His Debts'' and so should I. This man saved my life, my code of honour demands that I return the favour if I get the chance.

I owe him a life debt.

If the bear doesn't look up noticing you rushing outside in deep snow to kill him then biting you multiple times crippling you then returning to his meal then yes that would work perfectly.


I think I have a reach advantage with my hunting knife even if it becomes a 1 vs 1.

It can't engage me without getting stabbed.

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:45 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:If the bear doesn't look up noticing you rushing outside in deep snow to kill him then biting you multiple times crippling you then returning to his meal then yes that would work perfectly.


I think I have a reach advantage with my hunting knife even if it becomes a 1 vs 1.

It can't engage me without getting stabbed.

Then you can't engage it without being pounced and crushed almost immediately

And no, you would't have a reach advantage
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:45 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I would take inspiration from Jaime Lannister.

I would take the knife, rush outside, and aim for the head with my jab. The bear would immediately die if I hit it there.

''A Lannister Always Pays His Debts'' and so should I. This man saved my life, my code of honour demands that I return the favour if I get the chance.

I owe him a life debt.

A knife to the head of a bear would be near to impossible, considering the situation and considering you'd have to jab pretty hard in order to kill.


its a hunting knife. That's a pretty big knife.

If you google ''hunting knife,'' you'll see that it's actually not too dissimilar from the one Jaime used to finish off Jory with a single stab.

Against a bear the move can be done too.
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:45 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:If the bear doesn't look up noticing you rushing outside in deep snow to kill him then biting you multiple times crippling you then returning to his meal then yes that would work perfectly.


I think I have a reach advantage with my hunting knife even if it becomes a 1 vs 1.

It can't engage me without getting stabbed.

It's a bear. It doesn't give a crap it will maul you.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:47 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:A knife to the head of a bear would be near to impossible, considering the situation and considering you'd have to jab pretty hard in order to kill.


its a hunting knife. That's a pretty big knife.

If you google ''hunting knife,'' you'll see that it's actually not too dissimilar from the one Jaime used to finish off Jory with a single stab.

Against a bear the move can be done too.

I don't know who the fuck Jory or Jamie is, and I don't care to know, however looking it up literally disproved your point.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:47 pm

I thought this would be about letting your friends cannibalize you or killing your friends to eat them. This works too, I guess...
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Postby Spoder » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:47 pm

I made up with my dad.

I got my girlfriend.

I'm going back over to the shack, I guess...
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:49 pm

Valrifell wrote:I thought this would be about letting your friends cannibalize you or killing your friends to eat them. This works too, I guess...

Kill the person, and cannibalize that.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:50 pm

Seno Zhou Varada wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I think I have a reach advantage with my hunting knife even if it becomes a 1 vs 1.

It can't engage me without getting stabbed.

It's a bear. It doesn't give a crap it will maul you.


then it will get stabbed and I will prevail.

I just need to get its head. One move.

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:51 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:It's a bear. It doesn't give a crap it will maul you.


then it will get stabbed and I will prevail.

I just need to get its head. One move.

Not really. Considering that there's snow, and more than just a little, it would be probably you'd move slowly and couldn't jump, and you'd basically be trapping yourself since there's little to no chance of you actually attacking the bear without getting attacked first.
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