Iron and Steel;19th Century AH [Dead being rebooted]

by **New Decius** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:29 pm

*Sadly this thread has died but it is being rebooted and revived to even greater glory than it has achieved.

Temporary OOC for Reboot: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=346994

Iron and Steel

"Great ambition is the passion of a great character. Those endowed with it may perform very good or very bad acts. All depends on the principles which direct them."-Napoleon Bonaparte; First Emperor of France

"With the 18th Century came great revolutions and great new nations, the fires of revolution sweeping across the world, toppling empires and propping up republic's which themselves soon erupted into civil war. In America, the British were expelled from their colonies and in France the monarchy was deposed. The world was changing, and now with the dawn of the 19th Century, it will change ever further. Will you simply allow history to run its course as we all know it, or will you seize it by the reigns and take it for a spin eh? Bring forth change in the world through Diplomacy and Peace or through Cannon and Sword, either way it shall be through Iron and Steel."

Well as you can probably guess, this is a 19th Century, aka 1800's, Alternate History RP. It will start off in January of the year 1800 ~~B.C.~~; Just kidding. 1800 A.D. And we can't know how things will go from there. Either play out a nation as they were at the start of the 19th Century or change it up a bit. Let's take history by the reigns and take it on a ride eh what?

Rules:

Now, in this domain, I am King, Emperor, President, Consul, Premier etc. thus my word is law here! Only I make the laws, though the CO-OP's can issue edicts of their own, so long as they run them by me first.

1. ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL I TOLERATE ANY FLAMING OR DISRESPECT OF ANY PLAYER! I WILL NOT STAND IT! We are all here to have fun right? So no spoiling it with foul play. If there is any act of flaming, the flamer will be suspended from the IC and OOC and the Mods will be informed.

2. No Godmodding. I am unanimous on this point. Same goes for Metagaming.

3. No wielding OP like control unless you are OP, which you cant be cause that's me, or you are a CO-OP.

4. No one liners in the IC when its up.

5. Have fun. That is an order.

Application

Code: Select all: [b]Full Nation Name:[/b] [b]Short Nation Name:[/b] [b]National Flag:[/b] [b]Territory:[/b] [b]Official Language(s):[/b] [b]Form of Government:[/b] [b]Head of State:[/b] [b]Head of Government:[/b] (if different) [b]Capital City:[/b] [b]Population:[/b] [b] Religion:[/b] (state the situation of the church within your nation) [b]Army:[/b] (both size and a description of its quality, organisation & structure, etc) [b]Navy:[/b] (same as the army) [b]Economic Strength:[/b] (briefly describe how wealthy your nation is) [b]Infrastructure:[/b] (briefly describe the quality of your nations infrastructure) [b]Primary Goals: [/b] [b]History:[/b] (From point of deviation) [b]RP Example:[/b]

IC
Current Year: 1810
Territorial Changes:
General Summary of Events So Far:

Map
Map
*Map Updated as of 5/19/15

Reserved Nations:

Accepted Nations

Europe
The German Empire-New Decius
The Byzantine Empire-SECP
Greater French Empire-Humalle
United Kingdom of England and Holland-Soviet Chernarus
The Russian Empire-Gotengo
The Duchy of Courland and Semigallia-The Union of Courland
The Kingdom of Sweden-Am3rican Socialist R3publics
The Greater Austrian Empire-TheNew Austro-Hungarian Empire
Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania-Reddogkeno101
The Kingdom of Italy-Araiya
The Kingdom of Iberia-Bolovia
The Empire of Denmark-Norway and Norseland-Military Lands of the Scottish People

Asia
The United Kingdom of Davidian Israel-The Ik Ka Ek Akai
The Democratic Korean Empire-Vicavian Empire
The Holy Japanese Empire-Arvenia
The Fourth Persian Empire-New Byzantine
Great Mughal Empire-Kosovo12345
Empire of China-Isona

Africa
The Holy Empire of Ethiopia-Ava Ire

North America
The United States of America-New American Commonwealth
The Federal Canadian Union-JustRoleplaying
The Cascadian Commonwealth-Benuty

Central America
Mexican Confederation-Baja California y Sonora

South America
Second Incan Empire-Socialist Unified Cyprus
The Argentine Republic-Tractionisia

A Few Notes on Historical Realism........

1. Armies will suffer from attrition on long campaigns. For instance, harsh winter conditions would take quite a toll upon an army on campaign, likewise for the harsh conditions faced by an army fighting in the desert.

2. It might be easier to keep up if actual nations from the time use rulers that are chronologically accurate, if your playing the nation as was. For example, should someone decide to play as France as it was at the start of the 19th century, their ruler would be Napoleon. This isn't a requirement but it might be easier to keep up for anyone who is playing a real nation as it was at the time.

3. If you want to invent a new weapon before it actually was invented, consult me first. After all, can't have Bolt-Action Rifles appearing in say 1805 can we.
Tech allowed early:
Breech Loading Weapons
Railroads
Telegraph

by **New Decius** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:07 pm

Here is my own application

Full Nation Name: Der Reich von Deutschland [The Empire of Germany]
Short Nation Name: Germany or German Empire
National Flag:

Army Standard:

Naval Standard:

Cavalry Standard:

Territory:
Germanic Regions

Overseas Colonies

Official Language(s): German
Form of Government: Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy
Head of State: Kaiser Friederich Wilhelm III
Head of Government: Chancellor Gebhard von Blucher (if different)
Capital City: Berlin, Brandenburg [National Capital]; Königsberg, East Prussia [Symbolic Capital]
Population: 17,493,766
Religion: Mainly Protestant throughout the Empire with a bit of Catholic Influence in West Prussia though any Catholic Influence is heavily suppressed. Protestantism is not forced upon those native to the overseas colonies, and they are allowed to practice their native religions and beliefs. However Colonial Natives are forbidden by German Law from attempting to spread their beliefs to the Fatherland itself. (state the situation of the church within your nation)
Army: As of 1800, the Deutsches Heer [German Army] has an active duty force of 200,000 with Reserve Forces totaling at some 500,000 ready to be called up if necessary; Having a proud military history and some of the best military academies in the world, the German Army is well trained, highly disciplined, and quite the effective fighting force; The Line Infantry and Artillery are considered by some to be the best elements within the German Army, with others praising the Light Infantry. Yet, many can certainly agree that the greatest elements of the Army are the Dragoons. By 1798, as Dragoons displayed their usefulness on the battlefield, they largely began to take the place of the Cavalry, as it was realized that Troops capable of running down enemies and being able to dismount and fight as Line Infantry were more valuable than standard Cavalry. Outside of the Guard Regiment which accompanies the Kaiser into battle, the Dragoon's are rumored to be some of the best shots in the German Army, both mounted and dismounted.

Components of the Army: 85 Light Infantry Regiments, 45 Grenadier Regiments, 192 Line Infantry Regiments, 65 Artillery Brigades, 150 Dragoon Regiments [Dragoon Regiments are not very large, only consisting of some 120 troops on average], and 20 Regiments of Guard Cavalry [The Guard Cavalry are the Regiments who survived the replacement of Cavalry by Dragoons in the German Army. They are considered Heavy Cavalry].

Additionally, the Empire maintains several overseas armies and garrisons to protect its colonies. Germany maintains its largest overseas forces in its African Territories. In each case there are around 10,000 German Troops stationed in the region with an additional twenty to thirty thousand native troops. (both size and a description of its quality, organisation & structure, etc)
Navy: The Deutsches Marine [German Navy] maintains only a small amount of large capital ships, numbering only about a dozen such ships. The remainder of the navy is largely a raiding force of Frigates and similar vessels. In total the navy only consist of around thirty to thirty-five ships. It is not exactly the same marvel that the German Army is. (same as the army)
Economic Strength: Germany's Economy is driven by two mechanism's: The recourses from the colonies which are traded with other nations, and the cycle of German Industry and Agriculture. This cycle for example will start with a farmer who raises cows and sells the milk, then sells the cows to a Tannery, from then they become fine winter clothing which are shipped up to the northern regions, then leave via Baltic Ports. All in all, these mechanism's have kept the German Empire moderately powerful on the economic scale. (briefly describe how wealthy your nation is)
Infrastructure: German Infrastructure is truly a marvel, prior to the Empire, when the Armies of Prussia were fighting to unite the German States, Army Engineer Regiments would pave down roads to link up the cities and regions as they united. Now it is seen as a symbol of that unity, though since then it has been improved upon in many ways. Massive roads run from Königsberg to Dresden, highways link up all the major ports. (briefly describe the quality of your nations infrastructure)
Primary Goals: Defend the Fatherland, Expand overseas Empire, Ensure the lasting unity of the German States within the Empire
History: Following the death of King Frederick the Great of Prussia, his successor Frederick William II, began to discuss a topic of great importance with the other German rulers: Unification. The Prussian King wanted to unify the states under a Prussian ruler which did not sit well with the other rulers who each wanted to unify the nation under their own houses. Eventually this lead to the outbreak of the Great German War in 1789 following the invasion of the Electorate of Hesse-Kassel by armies of the Kingdom of Bavaria. Not many records remain of this conflict but it does show that Prussia emerged victorious over the other German states and in 1794 the war came to a close followed by the tragic death of King Frederick William II and the crowning of his son, Frederick William III as King of Prussia.

In 1795, a mere year after he was crowned, King Frederick William III declared the nation unified as a new German Empire, an Empire soon confirmed by Prussian territory gains in Africa through military force and deals with other Colonial Powers. Frederick William III was crowned Kaiser [Emperor] the following year and Field Marshal von Blucher was elected to the post of Chancellor following his victories in Africa gaining the nation its new overseas colonies.

In 1797, due to a growing amount of hostility shown by the French, it became realized that Germany was at great risk of being cut off from its Pacific colonies. With French control over Egypt, many saw that it was likely the Suez Canal would be closed to Germany thus cutting off trade along the fastest route between Germany and its Pacific holdings. To counter the growing French threat, Kaiser Frederick William III sought to form an alliance between the German Empire and the Anglo-Dutch Empire.
Later that year, an agreement was signed between the two nations known as the Berlin-Amsterdam Treaty of 1797. In this agreement, an alliance was formed between Germany and the United Kingdom. The Anglo-Dutch navy would have access to all German ports if they should need them and a large sum of money was also paid by Germany in exchange for the Mysore region of India, later to become German South West India.

Now the Empire has become vastly more powerful than when first formed and it is ready to defend its land, people, and most importantly, its sovereignty.
RP Example: Not really needed since I'm the OP

by **Soviet Chernarus** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:29 pm

tag...I might do an Anglo-Dutch Union sort-of-thing, would you be find with that?

by **New Decius** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:36 pm

Soviet Chernarus wrote:tag...I might do an Anglo-Dutch Union sort-of-thing, would you be find with that?

Certainly

by **Soviet Chernarus** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:38 pm

New Decius wrote:
Soviet Chernarus wrote:tag...I might do an Anglo-Dutch Union sort-of-thing, would you be find with that?

Certainly

Okay, reserve the United Kingdom of England, Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Gelre, Overijssel, Friesland and Groningen (I haven't determined what territories I'll be takin yet though

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by **New Decius** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:39 pm

Soviet Chernarus wrote:
New Decius wrote:
Certainly

Okay, reserve the United Kingdom of England, Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Gelre, Overijssel, Friesland and Groningen (I haven't determined what territories I'll be takin yet though )

At most I can add the UK and Holland to the Reserve List. Its a bit much to reserve all the others as well.

by **Soviet Chernarus** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:46 pm

Disregard the other countries, but it really would only comprise of this:
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discuss ... 1130428768
Not that big, but that's excluding all the colonies

by **New Decius** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:47 pm

Soviet Chernarus wrote:Disregard the other countries, but it really would only comprise of this:
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discuss ... 1130428768
Not that big, but that's excluding all the colonies

Interesting

by **Soviet Chernarus** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:52 pm

WIP

Full Nation Name: United Kingdom of England, Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Gelre, Overijssel, Friesland and Groningen/United Kingdom of Great Britain and the Netherlands
Short Nation Name: Anglo-Dutch Empire, United Kingdom of Great Britain and the Netherlands, England-Holland
National Flag: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discuss ... 1137924616
Disregard some of the flags, like the one of the Viceroyalty of Japan and such. i will go into more detail with which flag is "real" and which one you should not pay attention to. And if you haven't noticed, I'm basing this off a timeline someone did on that site.
Territory:
Official Language(s): English, Dutch
Form of Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Head of State: King William VI
Head of Government: Prime Minister George Percival
Capital City: London
Population: ~10,500,000 (not including colonial population)
Religion: In England and Wales, people adhere to the Anglican Church
Army: While not as strong as in terms of the Navy the Army has played an important role in the history of the Empire. It has participated in numerous
Navy: The Royal Navy is the most powerful navy currently in the world, tracing its origins back to the 16th century. The Act of Union passed in 1705 merged both the Scottish, English, and Dutch navies together, creating the largest maritime force in the world. The Navy is a primary military focus for the UK mainly because of its status as an island nation, as well as the importance of protecting its overseas colonies. As of 1799 the RN has 945 commissioned ships.
Economic Strength: Thanks to its colonies, mainly in India, the Anglo-Dutch Empire is very wealthy and thrives on trade. A system of trade across its colonies as well as Europe allows the nation to prosper; even despite past wars which have had a financial impact on the nation it continues to expand, consolidate, and extract resources from its colonies. With its economy fueled by resources from its colonies, its mercantilist policies have played a large role in its economic growth.
Infrastructure: In the mainland (England, Wales, and the Netherlands) the infrastructure is extremely well maintained with major roads connecting city to city; in the countryside, the infrastructure is typically less well maintained, but it is still able to transport materials, supplies, food, etc. across the country. As for the colonies, the quality of infrastructure really varies from colony to colony, although they typically are of poorer quality than the roads and such in Europe.
Primary Goals:
-Expand the Empire and establish new colonies
-Maintain dominance of the seas
History:

RP Example:

by **Epraria** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:55 pm

Can I reserve A Castilian-Portuguese nation? Also it's still to early for African colonisation also how did Prussia gain territory in India?

by **New Decius** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:57 pm

Epraria wrote:Can I reserve A Castilian-Portuguese nation? Also it's still to early for African colonisation also how did Prussia gain territory in India?

Bought it from England.

And it is Alternate History.

I shall add Portugal to the reserved list

by **Epraria** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:00 pm

New Decius wrote:
Epraria wrote:Can I reserve A Castilian-Portuguese nation? Also it's still to early for African colonisation also how did Prussia gain territory in India?

Bought it from England.

And it is Alternate History.

I shall add Portugal to the reserved list

Why would England sell it? India is an extremely wealthy market which the British fought fiercely to make a monopoly in RL. To sell it to a land power isn't something they would randomly do. Also it's and Castilian-Portuguese nation.

by **New Decius** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:01 pm

Epraria wrote:
New Decius wrote:
Bought it from England.

And it is Alternate History.

I shall add Portugal to the reserved list

Why would England sell it? India is an extremely wealthy market which the British fought fiercely to make a monopoly in RL. To sell it to a land power isn't something they would randomly do. Also it's and Castilian-Portuguese nation.

It is Alternate History.

by **Soviet Chernarus** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:03 pm

New Decius wrote:
Epraria wrote:Why would England sell it? India is an extremely wealthy market which the British fought fiercely to make a monopoly in RL. To sell it to a land power isn't something they would randomly do. Also it's and Castilian-Portuguese nation.

It is Alternate History.

Errr maybe instead of a whole chunk of India you can have a few cities?

by **New Decius** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:05 pm

Soviet Chernarus wrote:
New Decius wrote:
It is Alternate History.

Errr maybe instead of a whole chunk of India you can have a few cities?

It isn't a chunk. It will make more sense once I've got a map up.

by **Epraria** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:05 pm

New Decius wrote:
Epraria wrote:Why would England sell it? India is an extremely wealthy market which the British fought fiercely to make a monopoly in RL. To sell it to a land power isn't something they would randomly do. Also it's and Castilian-Portuguese nation.

It is Alternate History.

Just because it's alternate history it does not mean England would give up a share of it's attempt to monopolise the Indian trading market to a potential rival especially not the wealthy area around Mysore. Saying it's alternate history does not give you an excuse as History follows a pattern of causes, events and consequences. Most things in history don't happen just randomly like that. They need a reason.

by **SECP** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:07 pm

by **Epraria** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:08 pm

Sorry for the rant.

by **New Decius** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:09 pm

Epraria wrote:
New Decius wrote:
It is Alternate History.

Just because it's alternate history it does not mean England would give up a share of it's attempt to monopolise the Indian trading market to a potential rival especially not the wealthy area around Mysore. Saying it's alternate history does not give you an excuse as History follows a pattern of causes, events and consequences. Most things in history don't happen just randomly like that. They need a reason.

Britain and Prussia had been quite close for decades prior to the Seven Years War just prior to which the two nations formed an alliance.

by **Kibbehstan** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:10 pm

What if I don't have an RP sample?

by **New Decius** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:11 pm

Kibbehstan wrote:What if I don't have an RP sample?

First timers don't require one

by **Epraria** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:14 pm

New Decius wrote:
Epraria wrote:Just because it's alternate history it does not mean England would give up a share of it's attempt to monopolise the Indian trading market to a potential rival especially not the wealthy area around Mysore. Saying it's alternate history does not give you an excuse as History follows a pattern of causes, events and consequences. Most things in history don't happen just randomly like that. They need a reason.

Britain and Prussia had been quite close for decades prior to the Seven Years War just prior to which the two nations formed an alliance.

And Austria and Britain where allies before the seven years war. The thing about Britain is that her foreign policy at the time was one of pragmatism in that they support whoever could help them keep the continental powers from gaining enough power to threaten Britain which a United Germany can do.

by **Kibbehstan** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:15 pm

New Decius wrote:
Kibbehstan wrote:What if I don't have an RP sample?

First timers don't require one

In that case, reserve la Madre Patria (Spain) please.

by **New Decius** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:16 pm

Kibbehstan wrote:
New Decius wrote:
First timers don't require one

In that case, reserve la Madre Patria (Spain) please.

Alright

by **SECP** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:16 pm

Can I say the Byzantine Empire survived against the Ottomans and was able to push them out of the Balkans?

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