All Your Oil Are Belong To Us

[Costa Fierro]

Because apparently Argentina can afford lawsuits:

Argentina has begun legal proceedings against three British and two US companies for drilling oil near the Falkland Islands.
Daniel Filmus, Argentina's minister for the islands - called the Malvinas locally - announced the case in London.

The companies involved are Falkland Oil and Gas, Premier Oil, Rockhopper, Edison International and Noble Energy.
Mr Filmus told the BBC the companies were "performing illegal acts by entering Argentine territory".

He added: "I want to make it clear for the directors of these companies and for British public opinion that Argentina will use the full force of the law - both national and international law - to prevent these countries from taking the riches which belong to 40 million Argentine citizens.

"Argentina has extradition treaties around the world and we intend to use them."

He added that the area being drilled was "as much ours as the centre of Buenos Aires. Neither the UK nor any other country would allow anyone to enter their territory and take away their riches."

Yum yum yum, oil money in me tum!

Now, before you sit there and sigh a massive sigh and rant on about flogging decomposing horses, let's try not to bring up the history behind the dispute and actually focus on the current problem. You see, Argentina doesn't actually exercise control over the Falklands and because of this, they do not have a case at all. An extradition treaty implies that a crime has been committed on Argentine territory and the Falklands are not controlled by Argentina. Ergo, the extradition treaty would be considered void, would it not (help me out here legal experts).

Friendly reminder that, although it will inevitably be brought up, let's try and focus on the legal aspects of this please and not the history of the Falklands and who is wrong and who is right. Argentina is trying to use international law to enforce laws on territory that it does not exercise physical jurisdiction over. That is the topic so please stick to it.

So what say ye o tired netizens of NSG?

[Korouse]

Woo, more oil!

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

I say, the last Falklands Thread got me banned for 24 hours...
So, I'm staying out of this one.

[Costa Fierro]

Woo, more oil!

Perhaps Argentina would have better luck claiming the oil found near Gatwick. After all, they have as much jurisdiction there as they do over the Falklands.

[Delvosity]

Argentina needs another ass kicking.

[The Alexanderians]

Sounds like Argentina needs some freedom

[Val Halla]

Claiming something that isn't your's by right, then complaining to international law houses or whatever sounds like a kid complaining that his brother is using a toy truck that belongs to said mother, then the kid telling his mother about it.

[Laanvia]

Argentina needs another ass kicking.

Agreed.


Britain is the rightful owner of the Falklands.

[HMS Vanguard]

Neither the UK nor any other country would allow anyone to enter their territory and take away their riches.

He speaks from experience:

[Delvosity]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gHdWBK1724

That's all I need to say.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh for the love of.. okay fuck it, this stupidity and the japan ww2 thread have annoyed me enough for now, im off to go blow things up.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Someone call Argentina a taxi.

[Herskerstad]

Given that their claim to the islands are frivolous at best, it would be the same as Spain suing multiple nations in South America for mining gold.

[Costa Fierro]

Given that their claim to the islands are frivolous at best, it would be the same as Spain suing multiple nations in South America for mining gold.

Difference is Spain managed to plunder most of the riches from Latin America before Napoleon ruined everything.

[The Alexanderians]

Given that their claim to the islands are frivolous at best, it would be the same as Spain suing multiple nations in South America for mining gold.

That's a beautiful comparison

[Delvosity]

Britain should of given Argentina a good bombing during WW2.
Oh well, that's what the Falklands War essentially done, and we won.

[Celibrae]

Go home Argentina, you're drunk.

[Blakullar]

>lawsuit

Argentina is basically a Spanish-speaking North Korea - it is, after all, trying to annoy a much more powerful country and using foreign affairs as a distraction for its people.

[Val Halla]

Someone call Argentina a taxi.

I think Argentine are really DUI here.

[Costa Fierro]

Someone call Argentina a taxi.

I think Argentine are really DUI here.

"Ah, shit. We crashed the economy again."

[Pope Joan]

Here I thought this was about the impending merger of BP and Royal Dutch Shell.

Two of the five biggest corporations in the world, according to Forbes Top 200.

What could possibly go wrong with that?

We are so zealous about our political freedoms while we let transnationals enslave us.

[AiliailiA]

Where exactly is the drilling? The BBC says "near the Falklands".

Some of the waters between Argentina and the Falklands are disputed.

According to the law 23968, the territorial waters of Argentina extend 12 nautical miles from the line from the goulfs of San Matías and San Jorge to the outer limits of the Río de la Plata. The contiguous zone extends 12 nautical miles after the territorial waters, and the exclusive economic zone 200 nautical miles from it. The continental shelf extends to either the limits of the exclusive economic zone or the shelf slope. Argentina has signed and ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

The exclusive economic zone claimed by Argentina overlap with claims maintained by the United Kingdom on behalf of the Falkland Islanders and similar claims around the Island of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. The UK Falkland Islands claim boundary starts from the midpoint between Argentina and the Islands to the West and stretches 200 nautical miles in other directions with similar claims around the other British Overseas Territories.

Argentina announced its claim without consultation with the United Kingdom and despite the fact that the United Kingdom has administered the area, for the most part peacefully, for over 180 years. In the years 1990 to 2005 fishing and mineral resources in the area were adminsitered by joint commissions between Argentina and the United Kingdom, Argentina unilaterally withdrew from these organisations in 2005 to pursue a more aggressive stance in its claim to the Falkland Islands. At any one time Argentina usually has a single vessel patrolling the undisputed area of its claim, the vessels do not enter the exclusive economic zone of the United Kingdom although there have been reports of Argentine warships threatening vessels on the Falkland side of the border by radio.

Under the terms of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea Article 59 disputed and overlapping claims have no legal force until the dispute is resolved between the opposing parties.

The mid-point is the only legally defensible claim. If Argentina's complaint is that companies are drilling within 200 nm of their contiguous zone then they have no basis.

If however the drilling is happening on the Argentine side of the midline they'd have a legitimate complaint.

Two more articles from the BBC: The "oil near Gatwick" comment isn't a joke. And just before Argentina's announcement of legal action one of the drilling projects was cancelled. The reason given was the low oil price ... something that has been happening for more than a year.

Anyway, where the drilling is makes all the difference.

[Mushet]

Where exactly is the drilling? The BBC says "near the Falklands".

Some of the waters between Argentina and the Falklands are disputed.

According to the law 23968, the territorial waters of Argentina extend 12 nautical miles from the line from the goulfs of San Matías and San Jorge to the outer limits of the Río de la Plata. The contiguous zone extends 12 nautical miles after the territorial waters, and the exclusive economic zone 200 nautical miles from it. The continental shelf extends to either the limits of the exclusive economic zone or the shelf slope. Argentina has signed and ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

The exclusive economic zone claimed by Argentina overlap with claims maintained by the United Kingdom on behalf of the Falkland Islanders and similar claims around the Island of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. The UK Falkland Islands claim boundary starts from the midpoint between Argentina and the Islands to the West and stretches 200 nautical miles in other directions with similar claims around the other British Overseas Territories.

Argentina announced its claim without consultation with the United Kingdom and despite the fact that the United Kingdom has administered the area, for the most part peacefully, for over 180 years. In the years 1990 to 2005 fishing and mineral resources in the area were adminsitered by joint commissions between Argentina and the United Kingdom, Argentina unilaterally withdrew from these organisations in 2005 to pursue a more aggressive stance in its claim to the Falkland Islands. At any one time Argentina usually has a single vessel patrolling the undisputed area of its claim, the vessels do not enter the exclusive economic zone of the United Kingdom although there have been reports of Argentine warships threatening vessels on the Falkland side of the border by radio.

Under the terms of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea Article 59 disputed and overlapping claims have no legal force until the dispute is resolved between the opposing parties.

The mid-point is the only legally defensible claim. If Argentina's complaint is that companies are drilling within 200 nm of their contiguous zone then they have no basis.

If however the drilling is happening on the Argentine side of the midline they'd have a legitimate complaint.

Two more articles from the BBC: The "oil near Gatwick" comment isn't a joke. And just before Argentina's announcement of legal action one of the drilling projects was cancelled. The reason given was the low oil price ... something that has been happening for more than a year.

Anyway, where the drilling is makes all the difference.

That's exactly what I was thinking, because they said near the Falklands, but there's a good chance of Argentina still on that Islas Malvinas bullshit.

[Costa Fierro]

Where exactly is the drilling? The BBC says "near the Falklands".

Some of the waters between Argentina and the Falklands are disputed.

According to the law 23968, the territorial waters of Argentina extend 12 nautical miles from the line from the goulfs of San Matías and San Jorge to the outer limits of the Río de la Plata. The contiguous zone extends 12 nautical miles after the territorial waters, and the exclusive economic zone 200 nautical miles from it. The continental shelf extends to either the limits of the exclusive economic zone or the shelf slope. Argentina has signed and ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

The exclusive economic zone claimed by Argentina overlap with claims maintained by the United Kingdom on behalf of the Falkland Islanders and similar claims around the Island of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. The UK Falkland Islands claim boundary starts from the midpoint between Argentina and the Islands to the West and stretches 200 nautical miles in other directions with similar claims around the other British Overseas Territories.

Argentina announced its claim without consultation with the United Kingdom and despite the fact that the United Kingdom has administered the area, for the most part peacefully, for over 180 years. In the years 1990 to 2005 fishing and mineral resources in the area were adminsitered by joint commissions between Argentina and the United Kingdom, Argentina unilaterally withdrew from these organisations in 2005 to pursue a more aggressive stance in its claim to the Falkland Islands. At any one time Argentina usually has a single vessel patrolling the undisputed area of its claim, the vessels do not enter the exclusive economic zone of the United Kingdom although there have been reports of Argentine warships threatening vessels on the Falkland side of the border by radio.

Under the terms of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea Article 59 disputed and overlapping claims have no legal force until the dispute is resolved between the opposing parties.

The mid-point is the only legally defensible claim. If Argentina's complaint is that companies are drilling within 200 nm of their contiguous zone then they have no basis.

If however the drilling is happening on the Argentine side of the midline they'd have a legitimate complaint.

Two more articles from the BBC: The "oil near Gatwick" comment isn't a joke. And just before Argentina's announcement of legal action one of the drilling projects was cancelled. The reason given was the low oil price ... something that has been happening for more than a year.

Anyway, where the drilling is makes all the difference.

Argentina believes that the Falklands and the South Georgia Islands are theirs, therefore all of the natural riches that may or may not lie beneath the surface of the waves are also Argentinian by right. Disputed waters don't really enter into it when your government considers the whole area part of your own country. Even though they don't actually exercise jurisdiction in those areas.

Also, Argentina and the United Kingdom had reached an agreement on oil rights in the area way back in 1995. The British agreed to grant Argentina royalties on oil revenues in the region as well as awarding licenses. However, in 2007, Argentina withdrew from the agreement, because apparently nationalism was much better in terms of wealth and a final settlement on the islands than future cooperation with the British government.

Basically Argentina agreed to cooperate and was willing to cooperate right up until that fish-eyed moron Nestor Kirchner decided that he wouldn't want all that oil revenue and royalties and decided that Argentina was better off having no money at all. Now Argentina has decided that all of the oil regardless of where it is and how close it is to Argentina is theirs by virtue of it being within the territory they claim to have jurisdiction over.

[AiliailiA]

Now Argentina has decided that all of the oil regardless of where it is and how close it is to Argentina is theirs by virtue of it being within the territory they claim to have jurisdiction over.

Your source does not support that claim.