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What are YOUR opinions on the United Kingdom?

Poll ended at Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:21 am

I love the United Kingdom!
81
45%
They're pretty good.
51
28%
Not my favourite...
29
16%
I hate that Country.
18
10%
 
Total votes : 179

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Postby Laanvia » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:21 am

In General, my opinion on the UK is good although I disagree with some of their laws.

I was born in the UK in 2001 and since then haven't disagreed with much of what we've done. I support the War on Terror and Deposition of Saddam Hussein, I supported Military Intervention in Libya but I think some of our Terrorism laws on our own soil are rather lax such as allowing people such as Anjem Choudary the right to live and allowing pro-ISIS and in General pro-Extremist demonstrations.


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Postby Laanvia » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:23 am

Kelpy wrote:Nice folks, wouldn't mind splitting off the Scottish part.

That's where we disagree :eyebrow:

The UK isn't the UK without all the States that are currently in it, I think.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:24 am

You supported the invasion of Iraq? You were two years old at best......

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:26 am

The War on Terror is a shameful debacle which has entrenched the position of militant anti-west groups and brought more violence to our own streets and legitimised racist bigotry.

I love my country yet fear the rightward direction it lurches forth.
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Postby Laanvia » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:26 am

Fartsniffage wrote:You supported the invasion of Iraq? You were two years old at best......

You know what I mean. I've read up on it and the Reign of Saddam and I support what happened. Don't be picky. >:(
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Postby Valaran » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:28 am

I'm pretty supportive, it being my home home nation and all.

I disagree with a lot of what we do here, but that's more indicative of myself having quite strong views rather than the UK being particularly wrong. In reference to the OP, I disagree on how the War on Terror and the Iraq Invasion were handled.

And I do not support the fears of certain segments of society.

However, overall, its a lot better than most give it credit for.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:28 am

Laanvia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:You supported the invasion of Iraq? You were two years old at best......

You know what I mean. I've read up on it and the Reign of Saddam and I support what happened. Don't be picky. >:(


So you support the effective trashing of our international image just so Tony Blair could suck up to W a bit closer?
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Postby Glorious KASSRD » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:29 am

Never been, but from what I've seen of them, and the ones I've met, I'd say their a pretty good country. On the decline power wise, but they make up for it with having 2 of the 3 best English accents.

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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:29 am

I'm stuck in the UK for a few more months having made the mistake of heading here from sunny, friendly climes. Do not like at all.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:29 am

Laanvia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:You supported the invasion of Iraq? You were two years old at best......

You know what I mean. I've read up on it and the Reign of Saddam and I support what happened. Don't be picky. >:(

It's very difficult to support the invasion of Iraq when it was sold to the public on total falsehoods.
You support the deposition of Saddam.
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Postby Bolrieg » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:30 am

Like the country but I hate those running it.

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Postby Valaran » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:31 am

Laanvia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:You supported the invasion of Iraq? You were two years old at best......

You know what I mean. I've read up on it and the Reign of Saddam and I support what happened. Don't be picky. >:(


I suppose this begs the question why, using this logic, we don't go after all evil dictators in power. Why Saddam over the others?
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Postby Laanvia » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:31 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Laanvia wrote:You know what I mean. I've read up on it and the Reign of Saddam and I support what happened. Don't be picky. >:(

It's very difficult to support the invasion of Iraq when it was sold to the public on total falsehoods.
You support the deposition of Saddam.

You put it better than me, my friend. I do not support lying to the public on the WMD, but they should have gone in under the pretext of Freeing the Iraqi people. I know that was a reason, but it should have been the sole one.


I also support the Arming and Funding of the FSA in Syria but those weapons have and will get into the wrong hands of Al-Nusra and other Islamist groups.
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Postby New Socialist South Africa » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:32 am

A nation built on imperialism, colonial exploitation, slavery, misplaced and dangerously overblown patriotism, environmental over-exploitation and later becoming America's stooge, so basically the same as every western European nation. That being said a lot of my ancestors come from there, so ...

Also I like a fair amount of their literature.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:34 am

Its alright, most British people ive interacted with have been really nice folks, got some nice food, some nice shows and films, shit weather, though all weather in the British Isles is shit. Not a fan of their government that much, well the current government anyway, and some of the things its done or supported.

So yeah, its alright.
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Postby Laanvia » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:35 am

Valaran wrote:
Laanvia wrote:You know what I mean. I've read up on it and the Reign of Saddam and I support what happened. Don't be picky. >:(


I suppose this begs the question why, using this logic, we don't go after all evil dictators in power. Why Saddam over the others?

I never said that, did I? Don't put words in my mouth. Of course it would be great if we invaded countries successfully and toppled dictators, freeing he people as we do it but the human and financial cost would be too great. Imagine the chaos that would follow: Militias running riot, bombs, terror groups... Like present day Libya. Gaddafi deserved it but we should out more work into restoring Libya to a peaceful state.
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Postby Chucky Arla » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:36 am

I don't like it given it's interactions with my home

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Postby Laanvia » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:36 am

Chucky Arla wrote:I don't like it given it's interactions with my home

Elaborate. That's useless information that you've given us.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:37 am

Laanvia wrote:
Chucky Arla wrote:I don't like it given it's interactions with my home

Elaborate. That's useless information that you've given us.

Googling the username may shed some light.
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Postby Chucky Arla » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:37 am

Laanvia wrote:
Chucky Arla wrote:I don't like it given it's interactions with my home

Elaborate. That's useless information that you've given us.


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Postby Valaran » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:38 am

Laanvia wrote:
Valaran wrote:
I suppose this begs the question why, using this logic, we don't go after all evil dictators in power. Why Saddam over the others?

I never said that, did I? Don't put words in my mouth. Of course it would be great if we invaded countries successfully and toppled dictators, freeing he people as we do it but the human and financial cost would be too great. Imagine the chaos that would follow: Militias running riot, bombs, terror groups... Like present day Libya. Gaddafi deserved it but we should out more work into restoring Libya to a peaceful state.


No, I didn't put words in your mouth (please reference where if you feel I did). I'm asking a question, using your logic as the base point.

Given all the above, why did you choose Saddam to be the one we go after? Why is he so much more evil?

Imagine the chaos that would follow: Militias running riot, bombs, terror groups... Like present day Libya. Gaddafi deserved it but we should out more work into restoring Libya to a peaceful state.


One wonders where there has been a peaceful transition away from dictatorship in the Middle East. Especially amongst those liberated by the West. And yet you still support it?
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Postby Laanvia » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:45 am

Valaran wrote:
Laanvia wrote:I never said that, did I? Don't put words in my mouth. Of course it would be great if we invaded countries successfully and toppled dictators, freeing he people as we do it but the human and financial cost would be too great. Imagine the chaos that would follow: Militias running riot, bombs, terror groups... Like present day Libya. Gaddafi deserved it but we should out more work into restoring Libya to a peaceful state.


No, I didn't put words in your mouth (please reference where if you feel I did). I'm asking a question, using your logic as the base point.

Given all the above, why did you choose Saddam to be the one we go after? Why is he so much more evil?

Imagine the chaos that would follow: Militias running riot, bombs, terror groups... Like present day Libya. Gaddafi deserved it but we should out more work into restoring Libya to a peaceful state.


One wonders where there has been a peaceful transition away from dictatorship in the Middle East. Especially amongst those liberated by the West. And yet you still support it?

Yes. And yet I still support it because people were no longer oppressed by dictators.

For example, the people asked for support in Libya: they got it. Gaddafi, a tyrant, was killed. He deserved it. Gaddafi was terrible.


Also, Saddam didn't deserve it anymore than any other dictator. It was that people were oppressed who deserved freedom.
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Postby Normandy and Picardy » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:46 am

The UK essentially created the modern world as it is, being the USA's mother and the whole empire thing as well as the English language, but - and some look at this gladly - losing it's power. I don't like the lurch to the right and people like UKIP, and people are becoming more and more xenophobic, which is odd considering the UK has been more tolerant than let's say the USA to many in the past (although there is the whole killing natives and expelling the Jews thing) and it's sad to see it going this way. The current government don't care about ordinary people but luckily the general election is just over a month away. Sure, we haven't made the greatest decisions in the past, but we (well to be more precise England) created the ideas of personal freedom that exists in the western world today. One of the amendments of the US constitution is taken straight from the Magna Carta. We have a unique culture, good food, great people, the Royal Family, a rich hisotry and yes, mistakes have been made such as the Iraq War but the UK is great as a whole. At least, that is my view.
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Postby Laanvia » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:48 am

Normandy and Picardy wrote:The UK essentially created the modern world as it is, being the USA's mother and the whole empire thing as well as the English language, but - and some look at this gladly - losing it's power. I don't like the lurch to the right and people like UKIP, and people are becoming more and more xenophobic, which is odd considering the UK has been more tolerant than let's say the USA to many in the past (although there is the whole killing natives and expelling the Jews thing) and it's sad to see it going this way. The current government don't care about ordinary people but luckily the general election is just over a month away. Sure, we haven't made the greatest decisions in the past, but we (well to be more precise England) created the ideas of personal freedom that exists in the western world today. One of the amendments of the US constitution is taken straight from the Magna Carta. We have a unique culture, good food, great people, the Royal Family, a rich hisotry and yes, mistakes have been made such as the Iraq War but the UK is great as a whole. At least, that is my view.

Agreed.
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Postby Valaran » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:54 am

Laanvia wrote:Yes. And yet I still support it because people were no longer oppressed by dictators.

For example, the people asked for support in Libya: they got it. Gaddafi, a tyrant, was killed. He deserved it. Gaddafi was terrible.


Also, Saddam didn't deserve it anymore than any other dictator. It was that people were oppressed who deserved freedom.


I support it when its done right. But the West hasn't had a good track record in the new millennium. And the belief we can just topple dictators and oppression will simply disappear is part of the problem.

The reason we chose Saddam was because he appeared easy. He had no backers, no actual nuclear WMDs, no powerful army. It was also done to appear strong with the US. And so Blair allowed himself to be misled. And look what happened. Is that really the war you support?

Do you feel the people have gotten freedom?
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