Aravean Coup OOC Thread

[Aravea]

This the discussion/planning thread for the Aravean coup rp. Please keep all ooc related matters within this thread.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Hitting back at the IFC for Carloso's poorly-tasteful propaganda drawing:

[Allied Connurist States]

I think it'd be a good idea to set out who's on what side

as in which nations are supporting
a) Military government
b) Deposed Primarch

and then c) neutral nations

[Inyourfaceistan]

I think it'd be a good idea to set out who's on what side

as in which nations are supporting
a) Military government
b) Deposed Primarch

and then c) neutral nations

I thought the deposed "Primarch" was elected on an anti-leftist platform which caused the commies/pinkos/nazis/socialists/reds/faux-anarchists/ect to riot/revolt which then caused the coup.

If that were true then would the deposed government theoretically support the coup for the time being?

[Allied Connurist States]

I think it'd be a good idea to set out who's on what side

as in which nations are supporting
a) Military government
b) Deposed Primarch

and then c) neutral nations

I thought the deposed "Primarch" was elected on an anti-leftist platform which caused the commies/pinkos/nazis/socialists/reds/faux-anarchists/ect to riot/revolt which then caused the coup.

If that were true then would the deposed government theoretically support the coup for the time being?

I'm sure they would rather be in power than the military

And still, I imagine the Primarch is less anti-left than the military

[Arcerion]

Tagging, expect an IC post soonish.

[New Roma Republic]

Tag

[Patrick OConner]

so how are things inign up exactly>\? who is on whoses side?
Currenetly i am pro Armstrong but if she does not come through on here promises then that will change very quickly

All thinks related to ORBAT
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http://www.nationstates.net/nation=patr ... /id=324859
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=patr ... /id=317662
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=patr ... /id=315956

[Arcerion]

My current ORBAT. More will be flown in daily.

[Riysa]

Moving in the Riysian Air Force to Oured, with Aravea's prior permission.

Commander: Liwa' (Major General) Asim Hanano
Forces - Aerial Task Force "Muhyidin":

32nd Fighter Wing
Commander: Asim Hanano
Total personnel: ~1,500

137th Fighter Squadron
Commander: Lieutenant Colonel Jadid al-Daddar
24 x TaH-29T-4
Total personnel: ~410

55th Fighter Squadron
Commander: Colonel Hamzah al-Tarabishi
24 x TaH-29T-4
Total personnel: ~410

124th Fighter Squadron
Commander: Colonel Abbas al-Kharraat
24 x TaH-31AJ
Total personnel: ~410

Attached Elements:

2nd Strategic Anti-Air Missile Battalion (9th Regiment)
Commander: Major Riad Shamsi
NDJ Qanas SAM battalion - 3 firing batteries, 1 DECM battery
Firing battery - 6 TELs, command post, 1 RK-600 search radar, 1 RK-500, RDJ-500, and/or RDJ-500L target acquisition and fire control radar, ELS system.

22nd Bomber Squadron
Commander: Colonel Yasin Izzat
24 Da-30 bombers

1st Flight, 3rd Early Warning Squadron
Commander: Major Ihsan Abdul-Aziz
4 Da-28 AEW&C craft

3rd Flight, 29th Tanker Squadron

4th Electronic Support Squadron

[Inyourfaceistan]

Wait what?
I thought the elected government was anti-leftist?
Not one of the *insert bad things communists, socialists, nazis, and other Radicals Against Private Enterprise-ists do here*
WTF is going on?

[Aravea]

Just to head this off there has been a retcon to the government in exile. It is now composed of a more liberal party with leftist leanings and sympathies with several leftist organizations.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Just to head this off there has been a retcon to the government in exile. It is now composed of a more liberal party with leftist leanings and sympathies with several leftist organizations.

Okay...
Looks like I will have to take the "fraudulent elections" angle...

And I assume you mean Faux-liberal?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Since this is a busy time of year for some of us (end of tax year in the UK coming up), may I request that we keep things going slowly, particularly in the opening stages, which require large scale diplomacy?

There are also a few points which should be cleared up in advance:

@Aigentair

Also you guys would have nothing about me and few SACTO members going after commerce trade of any IFC nation involved in the crisis (Just asking)?

Pretty much I plan to hire pirates and begin unrestricted submarine warfare against every IFC nation supporting Aravean government in Exile. Just checking if you are okay with this.

I am not ok with this. If you extend the war to cover all oceans, we will have a general war very rapidly, and those SACTO members will suddenly find very large Ausitorian fleets off their coasts. I thought the idea was to limit the war to Aravea?

[Valaran]

@Aigentair

I am not ok with this. If you extend the war to cover all oceans, we will have a general war very rapidly, and those SACTO members will suddenly find very large Ausitorian fleets off their coasts. I thought the idea was to limit the war to Aravea?

Seconded. If trade is affected (and yes going after my allies will affect my trade too, along with a load of other nations) then Valaran fleets will begin deployments.

We'd probably start by hunting down all the pirates and systematically annihilating every one. But the subs might be fair game too.

[New Aeyariss]

@Valaran, @LAA:

I do not know if you are aware but in case of another "War of Wrath" it is IFC which is in far worse situation, and this is because many SACTO nations (tough not all, it is less than a half, but me, Americania, TECT for example) do not have capped populations these days, and this are huge populations (like 8-12 billion). This is exactly why I had not went for another war of wrath. Don't worry - I do not intend to bring more than IFC members can handle into this thread .

I will see about commercial raiding, I believe that we can work something out here.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

@Valaran, @LAA:

I do not know if you are aware but in case of another "War of Wrath" it is IFC which is in far worse situation, and this is because many SACTO nations (tough not all, it is less than a half, but me, Americania, TECT for example) do not have capped populations these days, and this are huge populations (like 8-12 billion).

I will see about commercial raiding, I believe that we can work something out here.

I don't. I am easily in the position to RP with an uncapped population, and, in addition, Ausitorian trade is so important to the nation that an attack could lead to Ausitoria using its reciprocity doctrine, leading to an extremely large scale war, probably including (conventional) ICBMs.

Now obviously all sides would wish to avoid such large-scale escalation to total war, and that means we must agree to limit war to Aravea, no exceptions; assuming we don't want to escalate to the point where everybody would be radioactive dust when the RP is finished.

[Valaran]

@Valaran, @LAA:

I do not know if you are aware but in case of another "War of Wrath" it is IFC which is in far worse situation, and this is because many SACTO nations (tough not all, it is less than a half, but me, Americania, TECT for example) do not have capped populations these days, and this are huge populations (like 8-12 billion). This is exactly why I had not went for another war of wrath.

This whole first part isn't especially relevant.

I will see about commercial raiding, I believe that we can work something out here.

Open to suggestions.

[New Aeyariss]

@Val, it is.

Affirmative, I have no problems with it. Thanks for cooperation, I won' t target anything outside Aravean theatre.

[Valaran]

@Val, it is.

Nah. You just wanted to say the IFC is weak.

Affirmative, I have no problems with it. Thanks for cooperation, I won' t target anything outside Aravean theatre.

No problems then

[New Aeyariss]

@Val if I wanted to tell that IFC is weak I would have told it directly. Population of RPer does not automatically translate on military effectivness.

I was not saying IFC is weak. I wanted to say that I do not believe that "War of Wrath" is possible OOC wise.

[Valaran]

@Val if I wanted to tell that IFC is weak I would have told it directly. Population of RPer does not automatically translate on military effectivness.

I was not saying IFC is weak. I wanted to say that I do not believe that "War of Wrath" is possible OOC wise.

I do not know if you are aware but in case of another "War of Wrath" it is IFC which is in far worse situation

Is that not saying we are weak?

You say the same on our thread too (is that not direct?). And that^ doesn't sound OOC related.

[Aeyariss]

sending some peackemaker forces soon, expect orbat to be posted in the near future

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

If I may, I would like to refer us to this little Ausitorian policy document on deterrence, to ensure we're all on the same page. It outlines precisely why a war on the scale of a War of Wrath is possible ICly, but why it would almost certainly escalate directly to nuclear warfare.

And that is why it's OOCly not possible.

It applies to any significant warfare, so I do hope all members of SACTO will read it before they commit major parts of their forces: it is very important that they avoid accidentally (or deliberately) escalating.

[Common Territories]

@Valaran, @LAA:

I do not know if you are aware but in case of another "War of Wrath" it is IFC which is in far worse situation, and this is because many SACTO nations (tough not all, it is less than a half, but me, Americania, TECT for example) do not have capped populations these days, and this are huge populations (like 8-12 billion). This is exactly why I had not went for another war of wrath. Don't worry - I do not intend to bring more than IFC members can handle into this thread .

I will see about commercial raiding, I believe that we can work something out here.

My population is capped for your info. My country is just larger then most around since it encompass a continent and colonies. That doesn't mean I don't cap things - both my population and military counts are capped. I do hold back generally from using my capable strengths, that's about all.

Edit: I am in all honesty not afraid of your nuclear threats or your perceived large war threat. If you think no SACTO member can't do the same, or if that I myself couldn't, you are dead wrong. I'll believe you are capable of holding a war when you actually show what you are capable of. Because quite frankly, your warnings frighten me none.