NATION

PASSWORD

Saudi Arabia intervenes in Yemen

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
Post a reply
User avatar
Great Nilfgaard
Envoy
 
Posts: 252
Founded: Mar 12, 2015
Ex-Nation

Saudi Arabia intervenes in Yemen

Postby Great Nilfgaard » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:34 pm

After days of fighting between the Houthi government and the rump state regime of former President Hadi in Yemen, Saudi Arabia has decided to intervene directly on the side of Hadi. Right now that is taking the form of airstrikes on Houthi positions but the Saudi Ambassador left open the option of more robust involvement as well. This action appears have been forced due to the collapse of Hadi's defenses in Southern Yemen and the Houthi advance towards his base in Aden.

In any case it seems like an extraordinarily reckless move. Saudi Arabia is blatantly and militarily interfering the affairs of its neighbor and is risking a serious confrontation with Iran, who has close cultural bonds with its fellow Shia in Northern Yemen.

http://rt.com/news/244117-saudi-arabia- ... n-houthis/
Last edited by Great Nilfgaard on Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.
We self identify as a council of multiple personalities within one body.


Pro: Nationalism, Statism, Socialism, Environmentalism.
Anti: Liberalism (both economic and social), Globalism, Religion, SJWs.
Top
User avatar
The Greater Lebanon
Envoy
 
Posts: 284
Founded: Nov 11, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby The Greater Lebanon » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:38 pm

Saudi Arabia's military will have some initial success, but will be bogged down unless they use full firepower. Saudi's army is not used to fighting. As long as terrorists Hezbollah and the IRGC continue to train and support the Houthis i don't mind the Saudis hitting them but its unlikely the KSA will do much unless a Yemeni force is used. Maybe some Al Qaeda can be killed in the whole shit show in Yemen too. What a mess of a country...
Last edited by The Greater Lebanon on Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Top
User avatar
Earl of Sandwich IV
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 449
Founded: Nov 07, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Earl of Sandwich IV » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:39 pm

It's a good move, Iranian backed rebels gaining control would be pretty bad. Egypt is also supporting this.
Top
User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54796
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:39 pm

This won't do anything good for stability in the region.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist
Top
User avatar
Earl of Sandwich IV
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 449
Founded: Nov 07, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Earl of Sandwich IV » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:42 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:This won't do anything good for stability in the region.

Nothing short of western intervention will do anything for stability in the region.
Top
User avatar
Costa Fierro
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 19902
Founded: Dec 09, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:42 pm

This isn't the first time the Saudis have intervened.
"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." - George Carlin
Top
User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54796
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:43 pm

Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:This won't do anything good for stability in the region.

Nothing short of western intervention will do anything for stability in the region.


Western intervention would make things even worse.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist
Top
User avatar
Greed and Death
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53383
Founded: Mar 20, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:Nothing short of western intervention will do anything for stability in the region.


Western intervention would make things even worse.

If we intervened in the entire Mideast at once.
"Trying to solve the healthcare problem by mandating people buy insurance is like trying to solve the homeless problem by mandating people buy a house."(paraphrase from debate with Hilary Clinton)
Barack Obama
Top
User avatar
Great Nilfgaard
Envoy
 
Posts: 252
Founded: Mar 12, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Great Nilfgaard » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:45 pm

Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:This won't do anything good for stability in the region.

Nothing short of western intervention will do anything for stability in the region.


When has western intervention Ever helped stability in the region?

The truth of the matter is that the Middle East is going through a very tumultuous time and the best thing to do is stand back, stop any blatant genocide (ISIS) but otherwise let the chips fall where they may.
We self identify as a council of multiple personalities within one body.


Pro: Nationalism, Statism, Socialism, Environmentalism.
Anti: Liberalism (both economic and social), Globalism, Religion, SJWs.
Top
User avatar
Allegan County
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 369
Founded: Jan 18, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Allegan County » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:46 pm

Great Nilfgaard wrote:Saudi Arabia is blatantly and militarily interfering the affairs of its neighbor and is risking a serious confrontation with Iran, who has close cultural bonds with its fellow Shia in Northern Yemen.


Saudi Arabia doesn't give a shit about that. Neither does Iran when they intervene in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon...
"A man's natural rights are his own, against the whole world; and any infringement of them is equally a crime, whether committed by one man, or by millions; whether committed by one man, calling himself a robber, (or by any other name indicating his true character,) or by millions, calling themselves a government." - Lysander Spooner
Top
User avatar
Great Nilfgaard
Envoy
 
Posts: 252
Founded: Mar 12, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Great Nilfgaard » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:52 pm

Allegan County wrote:
Great Nilfgaard wrote:Saudi Arabia is blatantly and militarily interfering the affairs of its neighbor and is risking a serious confrontation with Iran, who has close cultural bonds with its fellow Shia in Northern Yemen.


Saudi Arabia doesn't give a shit about that. Neither does Iran when they intervene in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon...


True. Its just an orgy of international anarchy at this point. A realist's wet dream.
Last edited by Great Nilfgaard on Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
We self identify as a council of multiple personalities within one body.


Pro: Nationalism, Statism, Socialism, Environmentalism.
Anti: Liberalism (both economic and social), Globalism, Religion, SJWs.
Top
User avatar
The balkens
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18751
Founded: Sep 19, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The balkens » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:55 pm

Great Nilfgaard wrote:
Allegan County wrote:
Saudi Arabia doesn't give a shit about that. Neither does Iran when they intervene in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon...


True. Its just an orgy of international anarchy at this point. A realist's wet dream.


Or for the average person in the middle east: Wednesday.
Top
User avatar
Zurkerx
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 12346
Founded: Jan 20, 2011
Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:55 pm

It's no surprise really. The Saudi government is worry about Iranian influence in the region. Of course, I believe they would like to have influence as well but, Iran is rising to become a big player. This conflict will be one of many to come. This does stem between the conflicts between Sunni and Shia, which they been fighting over for hundreds of years.
A Golden Civic: The New Pragmatic Libertarian
My Words: Indeed, Indubitably & Malarkey
Retired Admin in NSGS and NS Parliament

Accountant, Author, History Buff, Political Junkie
“Has ambition so eclipsed principle?” ~ Mitt Romney
"Try not to become a person of success, but rather try to become a person of value." ~ Albert Einstein
"Trust, but verify." ~ Ronald Reagan
Top
User avatar
Naushantiya
Diplomat
 
Posts: 701
Founded: Mar 22, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Naushantiya » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:57 pm

Saudi Arabia cannot have two Shia powers surrounding it, this was bound to happen
Top
User avatar
The Greater Lebanon
Envoy
 
Posts: 284
Founded: Nov 11, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby The Greater Lebanon » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:58 pm

Lets see if the Popular militias and the Hadi troops can fend off the Houthis in street to street fighting in Aden. I wonder how Al Qaeda will use this, perhaps as a pretext to rally Ahl al Sunnah to their cause
Top
User avatar
Napkiraly
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37450
Founded: Aug 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Napkiraly » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:59 pm

Great Nilfgaard wrote:
Allegan County wrote:
Saudi Arabia doesn't give a shit about that. Neither does Iran when they intervene in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon...


True. Its just an orgy of international anarchy at this point. A realist's wet dream.

This is not what international anarchy means in IR theory. The planet has always been under a state of international anarchy.
Top
User avatar
Allegan County
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 369
Founded: Jan 18, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Allegan County » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:59 pm

Great Nilfgaard wrote:
Allegan County wrote:
Saudi Arabia doesn't give a shit about that. Neither does Iran when they intervene in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon...


True. Its just an orgy of international anarchy at this point. A realist's wet dream.


Yeah. In fact, Saudi Arabia isn't risking confrontation with Iran — they've been in conflict with each other for some time. This is just another chapter of a potentially catastrophic proxy war between both countries. It's basically the "India vs Pakistan" of the Middle East. Hence the concern over Iran (and Saudi Arabia) acquiring nuclear weapons.
Last edited by Allegan County on Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"A man's natural rights are his own, against the whole world; and any infringement of them is equally a crime, whether committed by one man, or by millions; whether committed by one man, calling himself a robber, (or by any other name indicating his true character,) or by millions, calling themselves a government." - Lysander Spooner
Top
User avatar
Naushantiya
Diplomat
 
Posts: 701
Founded: Mar 22, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Naushantiya » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:59 pm

Any sort of Instability in Saudi Arabia would definitely undermine Indian interests, I think I would favour Saudi Arabia in this region
Top
User avatar
Naushantiya
Diplomat
 
Posts: 701
Founded: Mar 22, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Naushantiya » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:02 pm

Allegan County wrote:
Great Nilfgaard wrote:
True. Its just an orgy of international anarchy at this point. A realist's wet dream.


Yeah. In fact, Saudi Arabia isn't risking confrontation with Iran — they've been in conflict with each other for some time. This is just another chapter of a potentially catastrophic proxy war between both countries. It's basically the "India vs Pakistan" of the Middle East. Hence the concern over Iran (and Saudi Arabia) acquiring nuclear weapons.

Saudi Arabia and Iran don't have any major territorial dispute and have not fought any war with each other directly in the past 60 years, nor was there any partition of Saudi Arabia and Iran, The comparison was totally unnecessary
Top
User avatar
Respawn
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1091
Founded: Jun 13, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Respawn » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:02 pm

I don't really have a problem with tbh.
The Houthis will not be able to control Yemen properly. IS will definitely take advantage of the chaos and invade it, giving a vital piece of territory from which they can easily cross into East Africa. Nobody wants this to happen.

Godspeed Saudi, allahu akhbar, takbir etc. Houthis and IS are much worse options.
Top
User avatar
Allegan County
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 369
Founded: Jan 18, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Allegan County » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:04 pm

Naushantiya wrote:Saudi Arabia and Iran don't have any major territorial dispute and have not fought any war with each other directly in the past 60 years, nor was there any partition of Saudi Arabia and Iran, The comparison was totally unnecessary


It wasn't a comparison, it was an analogy.
"A man's natural rights are his own, against the whole world; and any infringement of them is equally a crime, whether committed by one man, or by millions; whether committed by one man, calling himself a robber, (or by any other name indicating his true character,) or by millions, calling themselves a government." - Lysander Spooner
Top
User avatar
Pope Joan
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 19500
Founded: Mar 11, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Pope Joan » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:05 pm

They will put those Shia rebels in their place.

Who should be pleased about this?

ISIS probably.

Maybe Israel, who seems to do all it can to cut the support out from under Hezbollah.
"Life is difficult".

-M. Scott Peck
Top
User avatar
Arain
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 167
Founded: Mar 06, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Arain » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:05 pm

Naushantiya wrote:
Allegan County wrote:
Yeah. In fact, Saudi Arabia isn't risking confrontation with Iran — they've been in conflict with each other for some time. This is just another chapter of a potentially catastrophic proxy war between both countries. It's basically the "India vs Pakistan" of the Middle East. Hence the concern over Iran (and Saudi Arabia) acquiring nuclear weapons.

Saudi Arabia and Iran don't have any major territorial dispute and have not fought any war with each other directly in the past 60 years, nor was there any partition of Saudi Arabia and Iran, The comparison was totally unnecessary


Iran and Saudi have never fought a direct war against eachother.
Top
User avatar
Arain
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 167
Founded: Mar 06, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Arain » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:08 pm

Pope Joan wrote:They will put those Shia rebels in their place.

Who should be pleased about this?

ISIS probably.

Maybe Israel, who seems to do all it can to cut the support out from under Hezbollah.


The intervention in Yemen also covers ISIS and Al Qaeda even though the Houthis are the main targets.
Top
User avatar
Great Nilfgaard
Envoy
 
Posts: 252
Founded: Mar 12, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Great Nilfgaard » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:10 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Great Nilfgaard wrote:
True. Its just an orgy of international anarchy at this point. A realist's wet dream.

This is not what international anarchy means in IR theory. The planet has always been under a state of international anarchy.


True. Lets just say then that the balance of power has been shifted in such a way as to make the international anarchy seem more openly chaotic.
We self identify as a council of multiple personalities within one body.


Pro: Nationalism, Statism, Socialism, Environmentalism.
Anti: Liberalism (both economic and social), Globalism, Religion, SJWs.
Top
Next
Post a reply

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Dazchan, Google [Bot], Immoren, Likhinia, Polles, Senkaku, Shenny, Tepertopia

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group

Advertisement

Remove ads