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NYPD commissioner blames Marijuana for "rise" in shootings

Postby Benuty » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:28 pm

NYPD commissioner blames legal marijuana in Colorado for increase in New York shootings

At a news conference Monday, New York Police Department commissioner Bill Bratton blamed a slight uptick in violence in the city (45 homicides at this point last year, versus 54 this year) on marijuana.


“The seemingly innocent drug that’s been legalized around the country. In this city, people are killing each other over marijuana more so than anything that we had to deal with [in the] 80s and 90s with heroin and cocaine . . . In some instances, it’s a causal factor. But it’s an influence in almost everything that we do here.”

Hyperbole at its finest. Even if this year’s uptick holds through December (and it’s worth noting that we’re only dealing with eight weeks of data, here), New York would end the year with 383 murders. The city saw 2,245 murders in 1990.

I’m not exactly sure by what Rube Goldbergian chain of events Bratton thinks legalization in Colorado and Washington is causing homicides in New York City, but it’s clear that he thinks there’s a connection. Another NYPD official said the problem appears to be “ripoffs” — not turf battles, but attempted robberies gone wrong.

Of course, if we want a more direct examination of what effect legal pot might have on homicide, we can just look at the cities where it’s legal. Here’s what we know:

Homicides dropped 24 percent in Denver last year, the first full year of legalization in Colorado. Robberies were down 3 percent. Burglary was down 9.5 percent. The only crimes that increased significantly were larceny (a property crime, not a violent crime) and arson, which seems unlikely to be related to marijuana. Overall, violent crime dropped 0.7 percent, and property crime dropped 2 percent.

Homicides did increase slightly in Seattle (from 23 to 26), the largest city in the other state to legalize the drug. But it’s more difficult to draw conclusions there because the Washington law was quite a bit stricter than the Colorado law, and still left room for a thriving black market.

Of course, we only have a year’s worth of data from Colorado. But then, Bratton is drawing broad conclusions based on just eight weeks.

I won’t argue that legalized marijuana is responsible for the 24 percent drop in homicides in Denver last year. There’s not nearly enough data to jump to a conclusion like that. But it’s still a hell of a lot more defensible than arguing that it’s responsible for an increase in homicides in New York.


Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the- ... shootings/

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Either desperate for a scapegoat, or just really...really uneducated on the issue. Atleast they aren't the DEA grasping for straws like the nonsense about stoned rabbits raping the environment of Utah (it will be the illegal growers doing that). So now that their argument is essentially debunked how will they respond? I mean between shooting homeless people (like they just recently did) they must be getting really bored. So what say you oh unleavened, and leavened masses of NSG?
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:35 pm

Scream REEFER MADNESS long enough and with a bit of luck you will summon Marihuana Mephistopheles, the all-corrupting scourge of the pure and innocent American Dream.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:37 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:Scream REEFER MADNESS long enough and with a bit of luck you will summon Marihuana Mephistopheles, the all-corrupting scourge of the pure and innocent American Dream.

Harry Anslinger, and Randolph William Hearst approve!

Now all we need to do is summon the ghost of Nixon.
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Postby Zakuvia » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:39 pm

I'm calling bull on him being a daemon-weed apologist about the arsons. Everybody knows that J's don't light themselves. If we keep up this permissive molly-coddling, we're going to see our society burst into flames in a pyre built on dropped roaches and 'slippery' Zippos. I see the portents!
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Postby Fanosolia » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:41 pm

Maybe if it was legal across the country it wouldn"'t be an issue :p

But seriously, this guy had to be paid to say that.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:44 pm

Fanosolia wrote:Maybe if it was legal across the country it wouldn"'t be an issue :p

But seriously, this guy had to be paid to say that.

Well they've been around since 1947, and involved with the police since 1970 so its not hard to see why they would support such a position.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:48 pm

Fanosolia wrote:Maybe if it was legal across the country it wouldn"'t be an issue :p

But seriously, this guy had to be paid to say that.

By the time marihuana is legalized on a federal scale, somebody is going to calculate the exact amount of money wasted over the decades in the war against marihuana. Also it should be easy to find out who benefitted from the very same war against drugs. The stupendous amount of taxpayer's money wasted on this grotesque endeavour was not because governments actually cared so much for their precious little citizens, it was just a cynical and perverse display of power.
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Hurdegaryp wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:Maybe if it was legal across the country it wouldn"'t be an issue :p

But seriously, this guy had to be paid to say that.

By the time marihuana is legalized on a federal scale, somebody is going to calculate the exact amount of money wasted over the decades in the war against marihuana. Also it should be easy to find out who benefitted from the very same war against drugs. The stupendous amount of taxpayer's money wasted on this grotesque endeavour was not because governments actually cared so much for their precious little citizens, it was just a cynical and perverse display of power.


Oh I'm aware that why I want it to end. Truth be told, I supported legalization before get info from posters about other thing for a more... sinister reason. Tax revenue! :lol: I mean not to the extent i've seen when looking up how the legal states are handling it but meh ;) .
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Postby Hladgos » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:58 pm

I never knew it was a gateway drug.. To violence! All we can do to prevent more marijuana shootings is to ban guns and legalise cocaine and heroin so that the statistics go back down to the levels they were in the 90's. Otherwise, the freedom of the American people may be at stake!
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Hladgos wrote:I never knew it was a gateway drug.. To violence! All we can do to prevent more marijuana shootings is to ban guns and legalise cocaine and heroin so that the statistics go back down to the levels they were in the 90's. Otherwise, the freedom of the American people may be at stake!

It is the only way! Also make sure that liquid poly cement stays out of the hands of children, for it is way too easy to get high as a kite on that stuff. They'll have to build their model kits with something else.
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:03 pm

well well well

if people are killing each other over marijuana then I guess new York state ought to totally legalize it so that it is no longer a focus of crime.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:05 pm

Ashmoria wrote:well well well

if people are killing each other over marijuana then I guess new York state ought to totally legalize it so that it is no longer a focus of crime.

The blood God would be parched if we did that.

*stares down legal marijuana a bill* You.... shall not.... pass!
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Postby Lindisfarne » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:06 pm

The main point in putting the blame on something irrelevant is to get attention away from the real problem... 8)

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Postby Zakuvia » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:07 pm

Actually, should it come as a surprise that Jamaica had the highest per capita murder rate in the world in 2005?
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Zakuvia wrote:Actually, should it come as a surprise that Jamaica had the highest per capita murder rate in the world in 2005?

Before they decriminalized marijuana, you mean.
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Postby Mushet » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:10 pm

I could see him blaming it for an increased petty shoplifting of snack foods, but shootings? Nah.
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:10 pm

Galloism wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:well well well

if people are killing each other over marijuana then I guess new York state ought to totally legalize it so that it is no longer a focus of crime.

The blood God would be parched if we did that.

*stares down legal marijuana a bill* You.... shall not.... pass!

well then what to do? the state legislature must not care about shootings in NYC.

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Postby Insaeldor » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:13 pm

The incentive for people to protect there black market marijuana dealing sure.

Actually being high and killing people is unlikely.
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:17 pm

Insaeldor wrote:The incentive for people to protect there black market marijuana dealing sure.

Actually being high and killing people is unlikely.

aye

the war on drugs raises the violent crime rate.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:22 pm

Are we sure it isn't rabbits with guns behind all of this?
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Postby Atlanticatia » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:25 pm

Well, I'm sure illegal drug trade is a big contributor to crime.

If you legalize marijuana, guess what: there won't be gangs fighting eachother over illegal weed. Because it'll be legal. And sold in stores. Just as there aren't gang wars over beer.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:42 pm

L Ron Cupboard wrote:Are we sure it isn't rabbits with guns behind all of this?

We have to consider the possibility that cows have found their way into a marijuana field.
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Ifreann wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:Are we sure it isn't rabbits with guns behind all of this?

We have to consider the possibility that cows have found their way into a marijuana field.

Now that should result in the kind of milk that makes any breakfast magical.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:47 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Ifreann wrote:We have to consider the possibility that cows have found their way into a marijuana field.

Now that should result in the kind of milk that makes any breakfast magical.

Too magical for the assholes in the Federal Government.
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