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"...the Americans want to get a hold of half of Russia"

Postby Pharthan » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:14 am

The focus of this thread is the lower section of this article. It's primarily about the Ukraine issue, but there is a Megathread for that subject.

The relevant portion of the article.
Anti-U.S. sentiment grows

On the streets of Moscow, many Russian point their fingers at the United States for the Ukraine crisis.

The latest polls show 81% of Russians have a negative view of the U.S. -- the highest number since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

State-run media reports the United States wants to encroach on Russia. And the Kremlin's propaganda campaign seems to be paying off.

"My attitude to America is bad," one woman said. "The way I watch the news, I realize the Americans want to get a hold of half of Russia."


It's relatively safe to say that we're aware of information-isolated countries (like North Korea, which was previously Self-Isolated, then after the Sony-Incident, became forcibly isolated), but in a country with enough saturation of internet and enough presence of hackers that it was advised that visitors to Sochi in the Olympics were advised to keep their device's bluetooth and wifi off during the duration (and some news agencies proved this to be a valid suggestion), I had fully expected enough of an "Internet Revolution" to call out the Russian Government on the lies.

I had fully expected that many people's view of America was bad. Many American's don't look at their own country favorably, but I never expected there to be enough of a successful media propaganda project in a nation with what I believed to be a relative freedom-of-Internet country such as Russia to cause people to believe that Americans want to own half of Russia.

In case this is the first time you're hearing this: America does not want to control any of Russia. Sure, we have Alaska, but that was a while ago, and that was a fair purchase (at least, fair for what we understood about the land at the time).

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:20 am

We're coming for you Ruskies, soon American Self Defense Forces shall seize your cities and hold sham referendums to join the US :twisted:

This isn't surprising though, it seems like a lot of Russian's still have irrational fears of the US and won't admit when Russia does something wrong. Here's hoping something changes though.
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:22 am

This is true, The Americans do want the resource rich areas to feed their poor, defenseless corporations
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Postby Master Shake » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:23 am

Yeah right. Like we want their crappy snow covered land. I think the real question "what do Russians believe is Russia?'.

I mean, I'm pretty sure a lot of them think the former USSR was all Russian land and if they think they can take back the Eastern Bloc then they will meet me and millions of my countrymen and women when we defend our homeland from Vlad and his punks!

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:23 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:This is true, The Americans do want the resource rich areas to feed their poor, defenseless corporations


I'm guessing you have absolutely no evidence for that dumb as shit statement?
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Postby Master Shake » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:24 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:This is true, The Americans do want the resource rich areas to feed their poor, defenseless corporations


I'm guessing you have absolutely no evidence for that dumb as shit statement?


He is either trying to be funny or is a Neo Commie...
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:24 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:This is true, The Americans do want the resource rich areas to feed their poor, defenseless corporations


I'm guessing you have absolutely no evidence for that dumb as shit statement?

I don't have evidence for Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnaam, Panama and all the other places the Americans have went and done beautiful, really beautiful things.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:26 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I'm guessing you have absolutely no evidence for that dumb as shit statement?

I don't have evidence for Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnaam, Panama and all the other places the Americans have went and done beautiful, really beautiful things.


That doesn't have anything to do with what you said, where's your evidence that the US wants to take all of Russia's resource rich areas.

I mean, surely it exists right? Gimme some sources, leaked government documents, the President saying he wants to invade Russia I'll take anything.
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:28 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:I don't have evidence for Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnaam, Panama and all the other places the Americans have went and done beautiful, really beautiful things.


That doesn't have anything to do with what you said, where's your evidence that the US wants to take all of Russia's resource rich areas.

I mean, surely it exists right? Gimme some sources, leaked government documents, the President saying he wants to invade Russia I'll take anything.


The American president never talked about the gallons of oil that the Americans were sitting stealing from Iraq or the Panama canal, this is what the America does
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Postby Uawc » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:28 am

It's so adorable how the American news institution talks about how the Kremlin's propaganda is getting to the Russian people, while simultaneously spreading its own propaganda about the Russians by doing so.

It's also a sad reflection on the state of the American people that this goes entirely unnoticed.

Anyway, I'm apathetic. History is just repeating itself. More psychological warfare, more propaganda from all sides, more blood for land and cash.

And we just keep doing it.

Sometimes I think it would be best if Mother Nature simultaneously had every supervolcano on the planet go off. Maybe then humanity would stop with this bullshit.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:29 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That doesn't have anything to do with what you said, where's your evidence that the US wants to take all of Russia's resource rich areas.

I mean, surely it exists right? Gimme some sources, leaked government documents, the President saying he wants to invade Russia I'll take anything.


The American president never talked about the gallons of oil that the Americans were sitting stealing from Iraq or the Panama canal, this is what the America does


You still haven't given me any sources...
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:30 am

Master Shake wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I'm guessing you have absolutely no evidence for that dumb as shit statement?


He is either trying to be funny or is a Neo Commie...


He's entirely sincere.

He's an Indian Jain completely convinced that not only was historical Anglo-Saxon imperialism a bad thing (where he might have some sympathy), but that Britain and the United States - primarily Britain, mind - are at the root of all modern evil, and are actively plotting to reimpose Victorian imperialism on the world.

Speaking as someone who always wears black velvet suits, a top hat, and a monocle, and twirls his mustache while cackling evilly about oppressing the inferior races at the meetings of his British imperialist cabal funded by the secret clauses of Cecil Rhodes' will, I can reveal that this is in fact absolutely true.

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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:30 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
The American president never talked about the gallons of oil that the Americans were sitting stealing from Iraq or the Panama canal, this is what the America does


You still haven't given me any sources...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/ ... 2R20110801

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... fairs.html
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:32 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Master Shake wrote:
He is either trying to be funny or is a Neo Commie...


He's entirely sincere.

He's an Indian Jain completely convinced that not only was historical Anglo-Saxon imperialism a bad thing (where he might have some sympathy), but that Britain and the United States - primarily Britain, mind - are at the root of all modern evil, and are actively plotting to reimpose Victorian imperialism on the world.

Speaking as someone who always wears black velvet suits, a top hat, and a monocle, and twirls his mustache while cackling evilly about oppressing the inferior races at the meetings of his British imperialist cabal funded by the secret clauses of Cecil Rhodes' will, I can reveal that this is in fact absolutely true.

Hey moderator!!! don't get Britain into this
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:33 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You still haven't given me any sources...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/ ... 2R20110801

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... fairs.html


Congratulations, you still haven't proven anything. Where is the ACTUAL evidence the US wants to invade Russia and take it's resource rich lands. Where are the troop movements, how are we going to take it, and why the hell haven't we done it yet?
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:34 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:


Congratulations, you still haven't proven anything. Where is the ACTUAL evidence the US wants to invade Russia and take it's resource rich lands. Where are the troop movements, how are we going to take it, and why the hell haven't we done it yet?

Putin said so, you know who putin is that is right ?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:36 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That doesn't have anything to do with what you said, where's your evidence that the US wants to take all of Russia's resource rich areas.

I mean, surely it exists right? Gimme some sources, leaked government documents, the President saying he wants to invade Russia I'll take anything.


The American president never talked about the gallons of oil that the Americans were sitting stealing from Iraq or the Panama canal, this is what the America does


Panama has oil?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:36 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Congratulations, you still haven't proven anything. Where is the ACTUAL evidence the US wants to invade Russia and take it's resource rich lands. Where are the troop movements, how are we going to take it, and why the hell haven't we done it yet?

Putin said so, you know who putin is that is right ?


Lmao, just because Putin said so doesn't make it true bud.

Kim Jong-il said he could wipe the US off the map, was it true just because he said so?
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:36 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
The American president never talked about the gallons of oil that the Americans were sitting stealing from Iraq or the Panama canal, this is what the America does


Panama has oil?

It has a canal, which the Americans shamelessly stole
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:38 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:Putin said so, you know who putin is that is right ?


Lmao, just because Putin said so doesn't make it true bud.

Kim Jong-il said he could wipe the US off the map, was it true just because he said so?

The United states wants to invade every country in the world... The Americans would be wiped out if they attack Russia that is the only thing stopping them but they are eyeing siberia as putin rightfully said
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:39 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Lmao, just because Putin said so doesn't make it true bud.

Kim Jong-il said he could wipe the US off the map, was it true just because he said so?

The United states wants to invade every country in the world... The Americans would be wiped out if they attack Russia that is the only thing stopping them but they are eyeing siberia as putin rightfully said


In a conventional war the US would crush Russia, the only thing that still keeps them relevant is their nuclear arsenal. I'm gonna guess you don't have any proof the US wants to invade every country in the world either?
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:40 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:The United states wants to invade every country in the world... The Americans would be wiped out if they attack Russia that is the only thing stopping them but they are eyeing siberia as putin rightfully said


In a conventional war the US would crush Russia, the only thing that still keeps them relevant is their nuclear arsenal. I'm gonna guess you don't have any proof the US wants to invade every country in the world either?

Look brosky, I am not the director of CIA or the president of united states but you know that is what the united states does, it has been at war for most of its life
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:41 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Panama has oil?

It has a canal, which the Americans shamelessly stole


No. France began building the canal and stopped the work, due to disease and everyone dying from said diseases. The Americans took up the project and completed it themselves. It was actual American property because they came into ownership of the land it was being built through in order to actually complete it. The Panamanian government actually gave it to the United States as well as the land around it before it was jointly controlled by the US and Panama from 1979 until 1999, when control was given to the Panamanian government.
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Postby Stormwrath » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:42 am

Sorry, even if you reversed the roles played by Russia and the US as depicted in certain video games (CoD:MW Series, World in Conflict, C&C:RA2), it's not going to happen. First, Russia is a big country, and hard to occupy. Second, the Russian Winter could screw the Americans over big time. Lastly, even if the US was successful, they would eventually relinquish control because it will be too much on their plate, with the expenses of sending troops there, as well as the costs to maintain its control, it's not going to be good for Congress or the taxpayers.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:42 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
In a conventional war the US would crush Russia, the only thing that still keeps them relevant is their nuclear arsenal. I'm gonna guess you don't have any proof the US wants to invade every country in the world either?

Look brosky, I am not the director of CIA or the president of united states but you know that is what the united states does, it has been at war for most of its life


Well broski, if you don't have any evidence you shouldn't go around saying absolutely moronic drivel. It makes you look bad ;)

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