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Land Of Dagda
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Postby Land Of Dagda » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:41 pm

So today I have approved the marriage of siblings, but I have to add here is that for siblings to get married they both must be fixed so no children can be born. Love is nothing the government should limit but health and welfare is. So by insuring they can not have disabled children due to hereditary defects, I see no problem allowing siblings to love each other the same way gay couples do.

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Salemland
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Postby Salemland » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:07 pm

In the name of I, Prince Emmanuel of Salemland, I request that you do not force sterilization of married siblings. We here at Salemland find the concept ridiculous. If siblings want to have children together, it should be their choice. While it is certainly better to prevent them from carrying than to force abortion on them, we feel that forced sterilization may be an implicit form of eugenism, as married siblings will be unable to have children for life, which also means they can't conceive with the help of a non-genetically related third party. The problem, then, is that people with genetic sexual attraction are seen as "less worthy" to have children, which is about the definition of eugenism (the question of whether genetic sexual attraction is hereditary or not is irrelevant, as many people suffering from non-genetic disorders were victims of eugenism).

Otherwise, we salute your nation's approval of sibling marriage. In Salemland, it has been legal since our nation's fundation (for religious reasons), and we have never put restrictions on infancy within marriage. Hopefully, other nations will follow this path.

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United States of Natan
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Postby United States of Natan » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:16 pm

Salemland wrote:In the name of I, Prince Emmanuel of Salemland, I request that you do not force sterilization of married siblings. We here at Salemland find the concept ridiculous. If siblings want to have children together, it should be their choice. While it is certainly better to prevent them from carrying than to force abortion on them, we feel that forced sterilization may be an implicit form of eugenism, as married siblings will be unable to have children for life, which also means they can't conceive with the help of a non-genetically related third party. The problem, then, is that people with genetic sexual attraction are seen as "less worthy" to have children, which is about the definition of eugenism (the question of whether genetic sexual attraction is hereditary or not is irrelevant, as many people suffering from non-genetic disorders were victims of eugenism).

Otherwise, we salute your nation's approval of sibling marriage. In Salemland, it has been legal since our nation's fundation (for religious reasons), and we have never put restrictions on infancy within marriage. Hopefully, other nations will follow this path.

The United States of Natan stands with Salemland on this issue. We request the repeal of this law immediately.
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Land Of Dagda
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Postby Land Of Dagda » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:33 pm

Salemland wrote:In the name of I, Prince Emmanuel of Salemland, I request that you do not force sterilization of married siblings. We here at Salemland find the concept ridiculous. If siblings want to have children together, it should be their choice. While it is certainly better to prevent them from carrying than to force abortion on them, we feel that forced sterilization may be an implicit form of eugenism, as married siblings will be unable to have children for life, which also means they can't conceive with the help of a non-genetically related third party. The problem, then, is that people with genetic sexual attraction are seen as "less worthy" to have children, which is about the definition of eugenism (the question of whether genetic sexual attraction is hereditary or not is irrelevant, as many people suffering from non-genetic disorders were victims of eugenism).

Otherwise, we salute your nation's approval of sibling marriage. In Salemland, it has been legal since our nation's fundation (for religious reasons), and we have never put restrictions on infancy within marriage. Hopefully, other nations will follow this path.



We feel for the safety of the children this is the best method. Leaving open the ability to adopt if they so wish to raise a family. Knowing that only biological siblings are the only marrying siblings required to be sterilized. Step and adopted siblings having no similar genetics are free to marry an reproduce as they wish.

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Land Of Dagda
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Postby Land Of Dagda » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:38 pm

The United States of Natan stands with Salemland on this issue. We request the repeal of this law immediately.[/quote]


Although we value the opinions of our allies and friends, we in the Land of Dagda find that we do not allow other countries to make our decisions for us. We value our trade partners and as respect their laws we expect them to respect ours. Thank you for your opinion and I hope you are not offended beyond trade by our decision to ignore request you have made as in our opinion love is not a bottled item and should not have borders on who can love who. We have taken steps to protect future generations of the children and feel that should suffice any reason to ban a happy union of siblings.

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Fauzjhia
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Postby Fauzjhia » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:44 pm

The Democratic kingdom of Fauzjhia will stand with the other nation on this subject

as a nation who have elected married Siblings, we believe love is unconditionnal and is not up to anyone approval except the lovers themselves, yeah, we are very notorious for our own citizen infidelity, but that is just one more way to love for us.

We strongly condemn the law require the sterilisation of marriage sibblings and wish the law to repealled.
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Annihilators of Chan Island
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:47 pm

The Annihilators of Chan Island are shocked at this hedonism on display here. Here in Annihilators of Chan Island, the entire population is sterilized and children are grown in vats, where the majority get genetically engineered to serve in the military as mindless grunts.

We strongly condemn this law and send crates of religious icons to Dagda in hope of saving their souls.
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Land Of Dagda
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Postby Land Of Dagda » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:53 pm

Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:The Annihilators of Chan Island are shocked at this hedonism on display here. Here in Annihilators of Chan Island, the entire population is sterilized and children are grown in vats, where the majority get genetically engineered to serve in the military as mindless grunts.

We strongly condemn this law and send crates of religious icons to Dagda in hope of saving their souls.


I do apologize, as the mail room clerk who sent those icons back with drawings of unaltered male sperm all over them has been apprehended and fired.

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Anollasia
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Postby Anollasia » Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:09 pm

Marriage of siblings is illegal in Anollasia, but we have no opinion on what your nation should do.

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Annihilators of Chan Island
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:32 pm

Land Of Dagda wrote:
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:The Annihilators of Chan Island are shocked at this hedonism on display here. Here in Annihilators of Chan Island, the entire population is sterilized and children are grown in vats, where the majority get genetically engineered to serve in the military as mindless grunts.

We strongly condemn this law and send crates of religious icons to Dagda in hope of saving their souls.


I do apologize, as the mail room clerk who sent those icons back with drawings of unaltered male sperm all over them has been apprehended and fired.


We declare war.
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Land Of Dagda
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Postby Land Of Dagda » Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:42 pm

Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:
Land Of Dagda wrote:
I do apologize, as the mail room clerk who sent those icons back with drawings of unaltered male sperm all over them has been apprehended and fired.


We declare war.


As a world top 10% of auto manufacturing countries, we will be embargoing all automobiles and parts to your country. We will also be working with the worlds other top manufactures in automobiles to stop all sales to your country. And our top secret uses of the Duckbill Platypus's in military recon will be exposed to the world.

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Salemland
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Postby Salemland » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:37 pm

We decided to support Chan Island in the war. Prepare the battlefield!

We will make alliances to supply our side of the conflict with cars.

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Land Of Dagda
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Postby Land Of Dagda » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:41 pm

Salemland wrote:We decided to support Chan Island in the war. Prepare the battlefield!

We will make alliances to supply our side of the conflict with cars.


Quite confused as why a country that refuse sterilization would team up a country that demands it. You have greatly reduced our respect of your nation. As diplomat I must ask what you seek to gain by helping a country that is out to destroy the freedom of family.

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Salemland
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Postby Salemland » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:55 pm

Following a discussion with my advisers, we came to the conclusion supporting Chan Island was a viable option because both parties are clearly wrong, but we do not have the military power to defend against both countries at once. By helping Chan Island, our economy would be boosted by the war while the warmongering countries take up all loses in human lives. As we would be getting stronger, and both of you weaker, we would eventually be able to gain an advantage over you, overthrow both governments, and stop your barbaric practices for good.

Plus, we planned to assassinate the leader of Chan Island by requesting a meeting between his government and mine as a way to ambush him. But because of you, our plan failed miserably, as you ruined the element of surprise of it by forcing us to expose it publictly to you.
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Land Of Dagda
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Postby Land Of Dagda » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:59 pm

Salemland wrote:Following a discussion with my advisers, we came to the conclusion supporting Chan Island was a viable option because both parties are clearly wrong, but we do not have the military power to defend against both countries at once. By helping Chan Island, our economy would be boosted by the war while the warmongering countries take up all loses in human lives. As we would be getting stronger, and both of you weaker, we would eventually be able to gain an advantage over you, overthrow both governments, and stop your barbaric practices for good.

Plus, we planned to assassinate the leader of Chan Island by requesting a meeting between his government and mine. But because of you, our plan failed miserably, as you ruined the element of surprise of it by forcing us to expose it publictly to you.


Our call has gone out to our region and we feel certain that we get great support. If you are looking to be on the winning side, then denounce your support join us, and you will not only get a chance to free the people Chan, but we will happily turn over any mineral rights in their land to you, as we have no interest in them. Once this is taken care of the Land of Dagda would be happy to set up a free trade with your government opening doors for both countries to work hand and hand to better each other and strengthen both countries together.

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United Russian Soviet States
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:27 pm

We approve of this action. Religious reactionaries should not control marriage. Let all oppressed people unite!
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Land Of Dagda
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Postby Land Of Dagda » Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:35 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:We approve of this action. Religious reactionaries should not control marriage. Let all oppressed people unite!


If you will support us in our defend our citizens rights to life without the tyranny of another country's input, we will share all mineral rights. The Land of Dagda will not be seeking those and all countries that help will have a fair share of them for all countries that insist on helping the aggressors.

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Salemland
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Postby Salemland » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:32 pm

Ruler of Dagda, I accept your offer on one conditions : that you stop forced sterilization of sibling couples by the end of the war. Barring that, we will stay away from the conflict, the might of arms of both parties far exceeding ours.

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Land Of Dagda
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Postby Land Of Dagda » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:47 pm

Salemland wrote:Ruler of Dagda, I accept your offer on one conditions : that you stop forced sterilization of sibling couples by the end of the war. Barring that, we will stay away from the conflict, the might of arms of both parties far exceeding ours.


I believe that can be done on one condition. My hospitals are heavily worked, and the issues of a child born in incest can over tax it. So I request in that case all child with severe handicaps be allowed to live out in your country. Or perhaps on the country of Chan under your rule.

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Salemland
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Postby Salemland » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:06 pm

Land Of Dagda wrote:
Salemland wrote:Ruler of Dagda, I accept your offer on one conditions : that you stop forced sterilization of sibling couples by the end of the war. Barring that, we will stay away from the conflict, the might of arms of both parties far exceeding ours.


I believe that can be done on one condition. My hospitals are heavily worked, and the issues of a child born in incest can over tax it. So I request in that case all child with severe handicaps be allowed to live out in your country. Or perhaps on the country of Chan under your rule.

I accept. Salemland has extremely efficient healthcare services and could take care of the influx of new citizens these children (and possibly their parents, if they want to keep raising the child) could generate. Our army will walk with yours.

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Pacifica Island
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Postby Pacifica Island » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:39 pm

As the regional delegate from "The Kingdom of Pacifica Island" we must stand with our regional ally in this conflict. While, we don't specifically ban any form of marriage; marriage between siblings is looked down on culturally in our nation. However, we can not sit idly by while a close ally is attacked. King Java I has hereby initiated the "Royal Military Edict" which allows him to send 1,000 ground troops, 1 squadron of aircraft and 2 naval vessels to immediately reinforce the forces of Dagda. An emergency meeting of the Chamber of Deputies has been called for Tuesday morning to draft up legislation authorizing full military forces in the defense of Dagda. Mobilization orders have been drawn up and will be issued once authorization from the Chamber of Deputies has been made. Already on their way to Dagda, via the "Royal Military Edict" is 500 members of the "Royal Guard", and 500 members of the 1st and 5th Infantry Divisions. Also, the 3rd Fighter Squadron has been mobilized and will be taking off by daybreak for Dagda air bases. The Royal Cruisers, Athena and Stephanie, are also scheduled to leave port by morning to reinforce Dagda's naval forces. We call on all peace loving nations to join us in support of Dagda, who is being attacked for policies they feel are in the best interest of their citizenry.

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Agrennaia
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Postby Agrennaia » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:46 am

"“None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord." - Leviticus 18:6

For the love of God, is there nothing you people will not do in pursuit of physical pleasure and depravity? It seems as though each time a good Christian turns around there has been some new and heinous immorality propagated elswhere. The world is determined to behave like Godless heathens, like animals in heat, concerned only with their flesh.

If you would behave thus, then it is beyond us to stop you. We can only serve as an example to you, as we do to others, of the correct way in which a people ought to act. Further, a travel advisory has been issued against the Republic of Dagda for the foreseeable future. If the Lord is willing, someday soon it shall be lifted.

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Bey Island
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Postby Bey Island » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:57 am

My government has authorized me to say they will stand behind Dagda, as a regional ally. We are unable to support militarily; but we do have a team of doctors and nurses at the ready should they be needed. Also, we are collecting food supplies which will be airlifted in the next day or so to the Dagda capital. Further assistance can be made if and when it is required. We wish this situation could be resolved without conflict and hope all parties are able to come to a mutual agreement.

Sincerely,

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Reichsland
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Postby Reichsland » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:20 am

"I echo the sentiments of the nations of Salemland and Natan. The fact that you are broadening your scope on the definition of marriage, and whom can partake in it is very commendable. However, my praise stops there. Forcing sterilization upon a couple just for loving each other and getting married is not an acceptable practice in my eyes. You tease them with freedom so to speak, for you allow them to show their love on paper yet you deny them the fruits of the marriage bed. If you allow siblings to be married, then they should be afforded the same rights as other legally married couples, including the right to bear children." -Leupold Dietrich, Sr. Officer of Foreign Policy
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Drubenia
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Postby Drubenia » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:36 pm

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