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Do you support a restoration of the Georgian Monarchy?

Yes, Georgia should become a Constitutional Monarchy.
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No, but it should be put to a vote.
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No.
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Only if Jefferson Davis is allowed to become king.
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Monarchism in Georgia...no, not that Georgia

Postby Murkwood » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:37 pm

Restoration of Monarchy is a very rare event these days. Since WWII, the only meaningful restorations have been in Spain and Cambodia. However, Georgia, a northern middle-eastern state most famous for making Americans temporarily confused, is likely to be the exception. Yes, the nation without a domestic monarch since 1801 is seeing a revival in Monarchist sentiment unparalleled in any Republic. The influential Patriarch, as well as 2/3 of the population, believe the Bagrationiti Dynasty should be brought back. What are your thoughts on this?

I would very much support a restoration in Georgia. Due to Putin's adventures in the nation, Georgia is more divided than ever. If the Monarchy was restored it would not only right a historical injustice but Georgia would also have a unifying Head of State who rises above partisan politics. This is the only real remedy to Georgia's internal problems.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:38 pm

What makes you think I wouldn't think about the Caucasian one?
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Postby Murkwood » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:45 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:What makes you think I wouldn't think about the Caucasian one?

It's a joke.
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Postby Camelza » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:51 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:What makes you think I wouldn't think about the Caucasian one?

It's a joke.

They're also, not-middle-Eastern, since they're completely inside the boundaries of geographical Europe.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:51 pm

In response, no, I don't think having more monarchist states in Europe is a good idea. The ones existent are already good enough, and people in Spain are increasingly unsatisfied with theirs. Maybe it's good for countries with an already existent optimal political structure.
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Postby Angleter » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:52 pm

I'd like to see that. However, as far as I know, all parties have said that the issue should be postponed until Georgia's territorial integrity is restored.
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Postby Murkwood » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:53 pm

Camelza wrote:
Murkwood wrote:It's a joke.

They're also, not-middle-Eastern, since they're completely inside the boundaries of geographical Europe.

Really? Hm, the more you know.
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Postby United Provinces of Atlantica » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:56 pm

I actually though you meant the country until I read no, not that Georgia. Anyways, I'm against a monarchy being restored. Monarchies are things of the past.
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Postby Murkwood » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:58 pm

United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:I actually though you meant the country until I read no, not that Georgia. Anyways, I'm against a monarchy being restored. Monarchies are things of the past.

Even if it could help unify a terribly divided nation?
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Postby Nei Pennsilfaani » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:00 pm

Yeah, your title had me more confused than if you'd just said Georgia. I immediately thought of the Caucasian nation, but because you said "not that" Georgia I thought you might have been trying to start something in the Peach State.

I am almost wholly opposed to monarchy in anything but the "It's tradition/the monarch gives us tourist dollars" sense, but it the people of Georgia's prerogative. If they want to vote away their Republic, then so be it.

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Postby Herrebrugh » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:01 pm

This is actually about the Georgia I was expecting. That was confusing...
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Postby -Shie- » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:02 pm

Bring the monarch back and fix the culture of Georgia. A strong leader to direct the people into a nationalist cause will fix anything broken in that country. I'm tired of seeing ugly politicians that don't make the masses move into a society that works like a machine. There needs to be macho men and bombshells again. I'm tired of weakness.
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Postby Sunarctica » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:02 pm

Isn't the dynasty called the Bagrationi dynasty?

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Postby Camelza » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:03 pm

Murkwood wrote:
United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:I actually though you meant the country until I read no, not that Georgia. Anyways, I'm against a monarchy being restored. Monarchies are things of the past.

Even if it could help unify a terribly divided nation?

Unify how? Are the Abkhazians going to return upon the call of the King of the Kartvelli? Hell, Ulster has higher chances of unifying with Abkhazia than Georgia.

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Postby United Provinces of Atlantica » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:03 pm

Murkwood wrote:
United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:I actually though you meant the country until I read no, not that Georgia. Anyways, I'm against a monarchy being restored. Monarchies are things of the past.

Even if it could help unify a terribly divided nation?

Even if it could unify, it would be a waste. A ceremonial president or pride in being Georgian, on the other hand, could also unify the nation, without being wasteful.
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Postby -The Trade Federation- » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:04 pm

United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:I actually though you meant the country until I read no, not that Georgia. Anyways, I'm against a monarchy being restored. Monarchies are things of the past.


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Postby Meowfoundland » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:05 pm

I've always been a fan of Queen Tamar, but I don't think that bringing back the Bagrationis will help Georgia in the slightest. Caucasian Georgia is the one I thought of first, by the way.
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Postby Murkwood » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:05 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:What makes you think I wouldn't think about the Caucasian one?


United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:I actually though you meant the country until I read no, not that Georgia. Anyways, I'm against a monarchy being restored. Monarchies are things of the past.


Nei Pennsilfaani wrote:Yeah, your title had me more confused than if you'd just said Georgia. I immediately thought of the Caucasian nation, but because you said "not that" Georgia I thought you might have been trying to start something in the Peach State.

I am almost wholly opposed to monarchy in anything but the "It's tradition/the monarch gives us tourist dollars" sense, but it the people of Georgia's prerogative. If they want to vote away their Republic, then so be it.


Herrebrugh wrote:This is actually about the Georgia I was expecting. That was confusing...


Meowfoundland wrote:I've always been a fan of Queen Tamar, but I don't think that bringing back the Bagrationis will help Georgia in the slightest. Caucasian Georgia is the one I thought of first, by the way.


I get it, you are all very smart and unique little butterflies who have basic knowledge of the Caucuses. Let's move on.
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Postby Yitzchak Winternitz » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:05 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Camelza wrote:They're also, not-middle-Eastern, since they're completely inside the boundaries of geographical Europe.

Really? Hm, the more you know.

Actually no they are not geographically in Europe. Even the EU recognises this. The Caucasus and Ural mountains are the geographical boundary of Europe in that region, of which Georgia is on the wrong side. Georgia is culturally European though.
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United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:I actually though you meant the country until I read no, not that Georgia. Anyways, I'm against a monarchy being restored. Monarchies are things of the past.


Democracy ain't better, trust me.

Whilst representative 'democracy' is a horrible idea, direct democracy at least deserves a chance.

Anyways, let's not threadjack.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:07 pm

Murkwood wrote:I get it, you are all very smart and unique little butterflies who have basic knowledge of the Caucuses. Let's move on.

*Caucasus :P
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:09 pm

Yitzchak Winternitz wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Really? Hm, the more you know.

Actually no they are not geographically in Europe. Even the EU recognises this. The Caucasus and Ural mountains are the geographical boundary of Europe in that region, of which Georgia is on the wrong side. Georgia is culturally European though.

Georgia and Azerbaijan, like Russia, Turkey and Kazakhstan, are bi-continental. You'd be right about Armenia.
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Postby Murkwood » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:09 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Murkwood wrote:I get it, you are all very smart and unique little butterflies who have basic knowledge of the Caucuses. Let's move on.

*Caucasus :P

I don't really even give a fuck.
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Postby Burleson 2 » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:09 pm

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Postby Camelza » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:09 pm

Yitzchak Winternitz wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Really? Hm, the more you know.

Actually no they are not geographically in Europe. Even the EU recognises this. The Caucasus and Ural mountains are the geographical boundary of Europe in that region, of which Georgia is on the wrong side. Georgia is culturally European though.

It's extremely debatable, but for all practical purposes, I choose to consider the Caucasian nations as geographically European.
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