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Postby Gezi Park » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:34 pm

Turkish President Tayyip Erdoğan has described birth control as a form of “treason,” saying it threatens the country’s bloodline as he believes a couple should have more than three children.

Erdoğan urged a newly-married man and woman at their wedding on Sunday, where he acted as a witness to the ceremony, to have preferably four children to help boost population figures in Turkey where the birth rate has been slowing down over the past few years.

It seems as though population numbers, which last peaked in 2009, are a frequent worry for the president who claims that a declining birth rate negatively impacts economic growth.

The father-of-four is reported by Turkish news organisation Radikal to have said: “One or two children is not enough. To make our nation stronger we need a more dynamic and younger population.

“We need this to take Turkey above the level of modern civilisations. In this country opponents have been engaged in the treason of birth control for years and sought to dry up our generation.”

Women are having children later, between 25-29 years of age compared to 20-24, however 26 per cent of the population is below the age of 15 and 50 per cent under the age of 30, according to recent research by Hacettepe University.

“One (child) means loneliness, two means rivalry, three means balance and four means abundance,” Erdoğan added.

The comments follow those he made last month when he said women should hold the “station of motherhood” and went on to say that “you cannot explain this to feminists because they don’t accept the concept of motherhood. They have no such concerns.”

The wedding that he attended with his wife Emine was that of the son of his close ally and businessman Mustafa Kefeli.

The religious roots of the government led by Erdoğan, who has been described by critics as an “Islamist”, has long been accused of seeking to diminish the country’s secular principles and limiting the civil liberties of women.

Erdoğan – who said he is also opposed to Caesarean births – sought to completely outlaw abortions in Turkey two years ago, describing them as “like air strikes on civilians,” however the legal limit of 10 weeks remains after dozens of women demonstrated in Istanbul holding banners with slogan such as “It’s our womb, we can have Caesarean delivery or abortion.”

The president has also been described as having acted against freedom of speech with 24 journalists having been detained earlier this month. Journalists protested outside the headquarters of Zaman newspaper shouting “free press cannot be silenced”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 44286.html



I wish his dad tried a condom.
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Postby Planita » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:35 pm

>Turkey

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:35 pm

I'm not Turkish but I hate this guy so much. :evil:
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Postby Gezi Park » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:36 pm

Planita wrote:>Turkey


Don't associate him with the whole country.
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Postby The State of Deseret » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:36 pm

China: No one can have more than one Kid.

Turkey: No one should have less then three.

Okay China. Export your babies to Turkey.
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Erdogan deems Turkish language 'inadequate'

Postby Gezi Park » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:37 pm

Only a day has passed after he said birth control was treason against the nation and now he comes up with this.

One of the obstacles impeding an improvement of the quality of science in Turkey is the language, Erdoğan said, criticizing Mustafa Kemal Atatürk’s alphabet reform in 1927 that introduced an alphabet consisting of Latin letters.

“Although we had a very rich [Ottoman] language that was highly convenient for doing and producing science, we woke up one day and we realized that it was gone,” he said, adding that the introduction of the new alphabet obliged Turkey to teach and learn science in foreign languages and foreign concepts.

“People were forced to forget thousands of words and concepts as they were removed from the dictionaries,” he said, arguing it was not possible to study philosophy with the current vocabulary of Turkish. “You will either rely on Ottoman words or concepts from French, English or German. But we have to overcome all of these problems.”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/were-w ... sCatID=338


Erdogan is utterly ignorant in all manners, so his words can mislead some people on here into imagining that the Ottoman language was widely spoken by Turks before Ataturk came and destroyed it. The reality is, it was only spoken inside and around the place of the Sultan as an elite language and was far from the one that was spoken amongst the local population. Such that the literacy rate didn't surpass %5 at that time; and saw a drastic increase with Ataturk's language reform. However; Erdogan's political neo-Ottoman agenda forces him to act out of reason as always.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:37 pm

Gezi Park wrote:
Planita wrote:>Turkey


Don't associate him with the whole country.

A majority of voters still voted for the specimen.
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Postby Planita » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:37 pm

Gezi Park wrote:
Planita wrote:>Turkey


Don't associate him with the whole country.

yeah it was a joke
The State of Deseret wrote:China: No one can have more than one Kid.

Turkey: No one should have less then three.

Okay China. Export your babies to Turkey.

Don't you mean the other way around?

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:39 pm

I'm in the eery position of finding myself in agreement with Erdogan. It is ridiculous to refer to birth control as "treason" however.

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:40 pm

Most Turks learned how to read quickly after the language reform. I don't know how Erdogan thinks he can spit on everything Turkey stands for.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:41 pm

I don't know any Ottoman so I can't comment on whether he has a point or not. He's usually crap though so meh.
It could well be that Ottoman has some words which could be very useful loan words to those languages, or dealing with concepts of science and such that aren't dealt with as clearly or accurately as in Ottoman.
Thing is... you can just use those words, then define the concept, then say "It's an Ottoman loan word. It's part of the English/French/German/Turkish Language."
And nobody would care. Science has lots of foreign words because it's an international project. If you have something to contribute, then yeh, great.
So...
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Postby Gezi Park » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:41 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Gezi Park wrote:
Don't associate him with the whole country.

A majority of voters still voted for the specimen.


A majority of Germans also voted for Hitler once. Well, he is not Putin when it comes to public popularity, researches show that at least a half of the population dislike him while Putin receives about %60. He has in some way managed to consolidate about %40-45 of the population that is enough to keep him in his power.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:42 pm

Gezi Park wrote:
Geilinor wrote:A majority of voters still voted for the specimen.


A majority of Germans also voted for Hitler once. Well, he is not Putin when it comes to public popularity, researches show that at least a half of the population dislikes him. He has in some way managed to consolidate about %40-45 of the population that is enough to keep him in his power.


Hitler did not come to power democratically.

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I like this young Turkish leader, he's strong like a bull and knows what he's talking about.
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Merged the two Erdogan threads- at the rate he's going, if every weird thing he pops out got its own thread, NSG could get buried in short "WTF is with this weird statement from the guy?" threads! :P
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Postby Gezi Park » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:49 pm

The State of Deseret wrote:China: No one can have more than one Kid.

Turkey: No one should have less then three.

Okay China. Export your babies to Turkey.


Well, China thinks of its national interests. Erdogan wishes for poor ignorant masses in Turkey so he and his successors can keep ruling the country for decades, pretty much personal interests here.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:49 pm

Gezi Park wrote:
Geilinor wrote:A majority of voters still voted for the specimen.


A majority of Germans also voted for Hitler once.

Only one-third voted for him.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:50 pm

Gezi Park wrote:Only a day has passed after he said birth control was treason against the nation and now he comes up with this.

One of the obstacles impeding an improvement of the quality of science in Turkey is the language, Erdoğan said, criticizing Mustafa Kemal Atatürk’s alphabet reform in 1927 that introduced an alphabet consisting of Latin letters.

“Although we had a very rich [Ottoman] language that was highly convenient for doing and producing science, we woke up one day and we realized that it was gone,” he said, adding that the introduction of the new alphabet obliged Turkey to teach and learn science in foreign languages and foreign concepts.

“People were forced to forget thousands of words and concepts as they were removed from the dictionaries,” he said, arguing it was not possible to study philosophy with the current vocabulary of Turkish. “You will either rely on Ottoman words or concepts from French, English or German. But we have to overcome all of these problems.”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/were-w ... sCatID=338


Erdogan is utterly ignorant in all manners, so his words can mislead some people on here into imagining that the Ottoman language was widely spoken by Turks before Ataturk came and destroyed it. The reality is, it was only spoken inside and around the place of the Sultan as an elite language and was far from the one that was spoken amongst the local population. Such that the literacy rate didn't surpass %5 at that time; and saw a drastic increase with Ataturk's language reform. However; Erdogan's political neo-Ottoman agenda forces him to act out of reason as always.

But I thought that Ataturk could do no wrong...
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Postby -Shie- » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:51 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:I'm in the eery position of finding myself in agreement with Erdogan. It is ridiculous to refer to birth control as "treason" however.
He's right about birth control because getting rid of it solves many issues. A man doesn't have to think about his spouse when she's not in his company, pointless recreational sex will be the things of a hedonistic past, and women who breed with providers who care for them and the children they produce will be rewarded. Men who amoral cads won't have a place in a society that honest. There's nothing worse than a weak willed chicken of a man flying the coop and leaving a woman and children to fend for themselves.
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Postby Gezi Park » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:52 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Gezi Park wrote:
A majority of Germans also voted for Hitler once.

Only one-third voted for him.


He got %43 with the closest rival being at %18. I'd say this is a qualified majority. Turkish opposition is much stronger than that. The country is roughly divded half and a half so one can't say Erdogan represents the overwhelming majority of Turkey.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:55 pm

-Shie- wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:I'm in the eery position of finding myself in agreement with Erdogan. It is ridiculous to refer to birth control as "treason" however.
He's right about birth control because getting rid of it solves many issues. A man doesn't have to think about his spouse when she's not in his company, pointless recreational sex will be the things of a hedonistic past, and women who breed with providers who care for them and the children they produce will be rewarded. Men who amoral cads won't have a place in a society that honest. There's nothing worse than a weak willed chicken of a man flying the coop and leaving a woman and children to fend for themselves.

Women shouldn't be thought of as baby-incubators. Erdogan has never seen women as equals.
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:55 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Gezi Park wrote:
Don't associate him with the whole country.

A majority of voters still voted for the specimen.

The rural, regressed areas of Turkey not the urbanised one.

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Postby Cyrisnia » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:56 pm

-Shie- wrote:I like this young Turkish leader, he's strong like a bull and knows what he's talking about.

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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:58 pm

-Shie- wrote:I like this young Turkish leader, he's strong like a bull and knows what he's talking about.

Young? He has been in power for over a decade. Fricking trolls.

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Postby -Shie- » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:58 pm

Geilinor wrote:
-Shie- wrote: He's right about birth control because getting rid of it solves many issues. A man doesn't have to think about his spouse when she's not in his company, pointless recreational sex will be the things of a hedonistic past, and women who breed with providers who care for them and the children they produce will be rewarded. Men who amoral cads won't have a place in a society that honest. There's nothing worse than a weak willed chicken of a man flying the coop and leaving a woman and children to fend for themselves.

Women shouldn't be thought of as baby-incubators. Erdogan has never seen women as equals.
Erdogan is right. Women shouldn't be thought of as tools to satisfy lustful urges. Women bring life into this world with their bodies and that is sacred. An incubator, that's not the problem.
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