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US/Cuba to Begin Talks

Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:37 am

...on normalizing relations.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30516740

This is huge in my opinion. After a half century of the (I would argue) failed Cuban embargo, to see the US/Cuba finally move out of a Cold War mentality into the 21st century is a welcome change of pace.

What say you NSG? Do you see the talks succeeding? Will they lead to concrete change in Cuba, politically or socially? Or will the talks fail due to likely opposition in the now Republican controlled US Congress?
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Postby Fortschritte » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:40 am

I'm happy to hear this. While I'm not a fan of the Cuban government, we need to ease our current state of relations, since they're icy, and have been for years. Furthermore, I hope these talks can address the embargo, which is outdated, harmful, and idiotic.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:42 am

well they've started with a prisoner exchange. that's a good thing.
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Postby Romalae » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:49 am

It's about time, after like 55 years.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:51 am

Fortschritte wrote:I'm happy to hear this. While I'm not a fan of the Cuban government, we need to ease our current state of relations, since they're icy, and have been for years. Furthermore, I hope these talks can address the embargo, which is outdated, harmful, and idiotic.


I'm not a fan of the Cuban government either, but with the US having friendly ties with regimes in Beijing and Riyadh, to not have ties with Havana is a joke.
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Postby Romano-Germanic Empire » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:51 am

Very good news indeed! The embargo is outdated and needs to go. But what do you bet the Republicans start attacking Obama for trying to make a deal with the "godless Commies"
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:54 am

Kinda late, US is pretty much the only country left that has a beef with Cuba... Anyhow, better late then never i assume.

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Postby Murkwood » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:55 am

I believe that, until Cuba transitions into a free-market democracy, there should be no let up of sanctions.

Obama is making a really bad mistake.
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Postby Digital Planets » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:55 am

Good, I need more Cuban cigars.
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Postby Fortschritte » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:00 am

Murkwood wrote:I believe that, until Cuba transitions into a free-market democracy, there should be no let up of sanctions.

Obama is making a really bad mistake.


So, by that logic, we should have sanctions on half of the world?
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:02 am

Murkwood wrote:I believe that, until Cuba transitions into a free-market democracy, there should be no let up of sanctions.

Obama is making a really bad mistake.


Putting "free-market democracy" as a reason to uphold sanctions is very much contradicting US foreign policy, just look at Saudi-Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain ect.

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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:04 am

Fortschritte wrote:
Murkwood wrote:I believe that, until Cuba transitions into a free-market democracy, there should be no let up of sanctions.

Obama is making a really bad mistake.


So, by that logic, we should have sanctions on half of the world?


By those means, (depending on how far you go with it) a good part of Europe shoudl put up sanctions against the US instead.

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Postby Shilya » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:18 am

Murkwood wrote:I believe that, until Cuba transitions into a free-market democracy, there should be no let up of sanctions.

Obama is making a really bad mistake.

So, promoting the free market by refusing the participation in a free market?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:29 am

Murkwood wrote:I believe that, until Cuba transitions into a free-market democracy, there should be no let up of sanctions.

Obama is making a really bad mistake.


That makes no sense.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:31 am

Obama is showing weakness!
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:33 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:Obama is showing weakness!


Sarcasm?
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:38 am

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:Obama is showing weakness!


Sarcasm?

No, Obama is making us look bad!
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:40 am

Murkwood wrote:I believe that, until Cuba transitions into a free-market democracy, there should be no let up of sanctions.

Obama is making a really bad mistake.


This is a load of bolshevik.

The only way that Cuba CAN transition into a free market democracy...is if it tastes the glorious wine that the free market offers. Otherwise all sanctions do is keep it back economically and foster hatred for the US.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:41 am

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:...on normalizing relations.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30516740

This is huge in my opinion. After a half century of the (I would argue) failed Cuban embargo, to see the US/Cuba finally move out of a Cold War mentality into the 21st century is a welcome change of pace.

What say you NSG? Do you see the talks succeeding? Will they lead to concrete change in Cuba, politically or socially? Or will the talks fail due to likely opposition in the now Republican controlled US Congress?


Finally, fuck!

Anyways, this is a good thing. It's the first step towards us getting out of the Cold War mentality that pervades our country.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:42 am

About damn time, only took half a century.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:43 am

Murkwood wrote:I believe that, until Cuba transitions into a free-market democracy, there should be no let up of sanctions.

Obama is making a really bad mistake.


We already trade with China and Vietnam.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:55 am

Murkwood wrote:I believe that, until Cuba transitions into a free-market democracy, there should be no let up of sanctions.

Obama is making a really bad mistake.

Then let the free market handle the Embargo. The US traded with the USSR, and continues to trade with the Saudis and China.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:56 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:Obama is showing weakness!

i wish he had done it earlier but better late than never. this way his action on cuba--we're setting up an embassy!--wont put democrats at a disadvantage in an election.
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