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Postby Maeserati » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:55 pm

As a radical-rightest, I've always wondered what motivates leftists.

I believe most people justify it using a moral standpoint. However, I find it immoral that the privileged be robbed simply because they are privileged. I assure you, the vast majority of the wealthy are rather altruistic. (However, the Waltons are a joke.)

So, I'd just like to see what the general reasoning for leftist beliefs are.
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Postby Olerand » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:56 pm

Well, I do believe it is the moral choice; but also having visited more right-leaning nations, I prefer our economic and social systems.

So, the Left. Or, well, depending on future circumstances, the far-Right. Who knows.
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Postby Maeserati » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:01 pm

Bezombia wrote:toke jopic


Erm. No?
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:02 pm

Maeserati wrote:As a radical-rightest, I've always wondered what motivates leftists.

I believe most people justify it using a moral standpoint. However, I find it immoral that the privileged be robbed simply because they are privileged. I assure you, the vast majority of the wealthy are rather altruistic. (However, the Waltons are a joke.)

So, I'd just like to see what the general reasoning for leftist beliefs are.


I think it's the logical conclusion for a population of predominantly right handed individuals to walk and drive on the left, why would their economic considerations differ? :p

Prehaps you could explain who you mean when you say "the privileged" and how are they being robbed?
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Postby Communist Volkstrad » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:02 pm

I find that the left is more accepting, more tolerant of others and is better regarding civil rights.
As a Socialist, I find that socialism is the best, as it could, implemented correctly, create a world without poverty or any such woes, one where everyone is valued as an important member of society, from the repairman, to the factory worker, to the doctor, to the teacher. Everyone is valued and important.
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Postby Servica » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:03 pm

Even though I consider myself a communist (as opposed to a capitalist), I don't find myself a leftist anymore. To me, the left seems to promote subordination and the suppression of universal egotism (which is, by the way, the only feasible way for a truly humane and equal society to function, through its practical coherence) which is unhumanly and barbaric, whilst the right promotes and seeks to reward antisocial and egotistically narrow (recognizing only one self) point of views, and hinders change when it is most needed, as well as suppresses empathy and reason.
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:04 pm

Because the left is just correct in certain things.

Both radical extremist sides are outright bad though.
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Postby Downed Pilots » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:04 pm

Relying on the altruism of the wealthy is not a very definite thing. Also, that still doesn't really help the underlying problem of income inequality in the nation. As a self-identified liberal, I mainly am on the side I am because I believe that everyone should be taken care of (I'm not saying that the upper class would have to go away, but regulating the top 1% would help A LOT. You might think I'm just being unoriginal and they've had enough beating over the head, but the top 1% control over 35% of the nation's wealth [US here] and half of the nation's stocks. I'm still very supportive of America being a land of opportunity, but I believe it can't really be such unless everyone is taken care of).
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:05 pm

The American right rejects collective responsibility except when it absolves them of their problems. It's all very Randian. Moral grounds, without a doubt.
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Postby Margno » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:07 pm

Maeserati wrote:As a radical-rightest, I've always wondered what motivates leftists.

I believe most people justify it using a moral standpoint. However, I find it immoral that the privileged be robbed simply because they are privileged. I assure you, the vast majority of the wealthy are rather altruistic. (However, the Waltons are a joke.)

So, I'd just like to see what the general reasoning for leftist beliefs are.

How do you figure that the privileged own their privilege?
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Postby Maeserati » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:10 pm

I'll clarify my views with an example of US politics.

Personally, I believe that the US political system is broken. I'm not ignorant enough to say its a two party dictatorship. However, I believe the Democrats are right on nearly every social issue. However, I find the Republicans correct on fiscal issues.

I am fervently anti-government welfare, however, I believe public universities should be subsidized and offer free education to anyone that gains admissions.

I think the objects that provide opportunity (education, civil rights, equality regardless of sex, sexuality, color, creed, etc.) should be available to all, but the economy by entirely unregulated. With NO MEANS TESTED WELFARE
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Postby Garengad » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:11 pm

Well I consider myself a Liberal Progressive and I guess what motivates me is a desire to see everyone have a chance to succeed. I support capitalism but regulated. Laissez-faire countries often end up with some rate of exploitation. The privileged should not be robbed they can stay privileged but the less fortunate have to have a chance to be somewhat privileged.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:12 pm

Maeserati wrote:As a radical-rightest, I've always wondered what motivates leftists.

I believe most people justify it using a moral standpoint. However, I find it immoral that the privileged be robbed simply because they are privileged. I assure you, the vast majority of the wealthy are rather altruistic. (However, the Waltons are a joke.)

So, I'd just like to see what the general reasoning for leftist beliefs are.


Are we talking economic left or political left?

Can a truly just society exist where the boon afforded individuals by economic prosperity is available only to those of the best means?
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Postby Olerand » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:13 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Maeserati wrote:As a radical-rightest, I've always wondered what motivates leftists.

I believe most people justify it using a moral standpoint. However, I find it immoral that the privileged be robbed simply because they are privileged. I assure you, the vast majority of the wealthy are rather altruistic. (However, the Waltons are a joke.)

So, I'd just like to see what the general reasoning for leftist beliefs are.


Are we talking economic left or political left?

Can a truly just society exist where the boon afforded individuals by economic prosperity is available only to those of the best means?

Sure it can. Feudalism. It won't last forever, but yet again, what does.
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Postby Margno » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:14 pm

Maeserati wrote:I'll clarify my views with an example of US politics.

Personally, I believe that the US political system is broken. I'm not ignorant enough to say its a two party dictatorship. However, I believe the Democrats are right on nearly every social issue. However, I find the Republicans correct on fiscal issues.

I am fervently anti-government welfare, however, I believe public universities should be subsidized and offer free education to anyone that gains admissions.

I think the objects that provide opportunity (education, civil rights, equality regardless of sex, sexuality, color, creed, etc.) should be available to all, but the economy by entirely unregulated. With NO MEANS TESTED WELFARE

What do you think should be done with the products of people's labor? Should anyone own it? If so, who? Why?
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Olerand wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Are we talking economic left or political left?

Can a truly just society exist where the boon afforded individuals by economic prosperity is available only to those of the best means?

Sure it can. Feudalism. It won't last forever, but yet again, what does.


Feudalism is dead, is it not?
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Postby Olerand » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:15 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Olerand wrote:Sure it can. Feudalism. It won't last forever, but yet again, what does.


Feudalism is dead, is it not?

For now. There was once a time when democracy was also dead.

Remove all constraints on the rich and powerful, or corporations, as some misguided souls, especially in the Anglo-Saxon world wish to do, and you'll see it come back.

Ideas are rarely ever "dead".
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Postby Rivertanny » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:17 pm

Left is right, but right is wrong :)
so left is wrong :eyebrow:
and right is wrong :(

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Postby Ashyaria » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:19 pm

why the right?


I feel that if private enterprise is left unchecked, it will eventually evolve into an economic and social issue. Though, I am not against business. I only wish to prevent excessive exploitation of people and resources, along with monopolies.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:20 pm

Olerand wrote:
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Feudalism is dead, is it not?

For now. There was once a time when democracy was also dead.

Remove all constraints on the rich and powerful, or corporations, as some misguided souls, especially in the Anglo-Saxon world wish to do, and you'll see it come back.

Ideas are rarely ever "dead".


Ah. The problem with Capitalism, we agree, is not that there are too many capitalists but, rather, that there are too few. Feudalism indeed.
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Postby Have with it fun » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:20 pm

I think that left is right on a financial aspect, whereas right is right on philosophy. Just saying.

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Postby Olerand » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:21 pm

Distruzio wrote:Ah. The problem with Capitalism, we agree, is not that there are too many capitalists but, rather, that there are too few. Feudalism indeed.

Why do you say that? What, or who, is a capitalist? Do you believe that an overabundance of capitalists will make the return of feudalism impossible?
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:22 pm

Olerand wrote:
Distruzio wrote:Ah. The problem with Capitalism, we agree, is not that there are too many capitalists but, rather, that there are too few. Feudalism indeed.

Why do you say that? What, or who, is a capitalist? Do you believe that an overabundance of capitalists will make the return of feudalism impossible?


Less likely. Not inevitable.
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Distruzio wrote:
Olerand wrote:Why do you say that? What, or who, is a capitalist? Do you believe that an overabundance of capitalists will make the return of feudalism impossible?


Less likely. Not inevitable.

Why?
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