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Is the UN a bit outdated?

Postby Hong kong and india » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:26 pm

The UN was started after world war 2,and now its a very influential figure,but the UN doesn't really have any power.All it can do is pass (Mostily)non-binding resolutions,even if they pass binding resolutions.Nobody is reinforcing it.Is the Un outdated,and does it need reforming?

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Postby Estado Nacional » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:28 pm

It's "outdated" as in it needs serious reform. Otherwise, no.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:51 pm

Yes, the UN is powerless but I don't understand why you think it is outdated; reform shouldn't be out of question though.

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Postby Cetacea » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:52 pm

The Veto power of G5 is whats outdated and needs to be dropped entirely. The UN as a body able to stimulate international cooperation on key issues and to put check and balances on unilateral action is a good thing. Even the ability of the 2 Superpowers (I say 2 but will reluctantly count Russia as 3) to ignore the UN anyway supports the notion that the veto power needs to be dropped and replaced with something real.

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Postby Carrasastova » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:54 pm

A major overhaul, or two, yes, but not outdated, per say.
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Postby Hong kong and india » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:55 pm

Cetacea wrote:The Veto power of G5 is whats outdated and needs to be dropped entirely. The UN as a body able to stimulate international cooperation on key issues and to put check and balances on unilateral action is a good thing. Even the ability of the 2 Superpowers (I say 2 but will reluctantly count Russia as 3) to ignore the UN anyway supports the notion that the veto power needs to be dropped and replaced with something real.

It can't be the threat of the military due to nuclear weapons,and it can't be trade sanctions because some countries,like finland needs russia to trade.there is isn't a solution to fix this problem

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:58 pm

Carrasastova wrote:A major overhaul, or two, yes, but not outdated, per say.


I think we need a whole new organization, with a new name.

Hm, what sounds good...

Global Meeting?

nah

Worldwide Conference? NO

hm....

aha!

How about the World Assembly! :P
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Postby Hong kong and india » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:00 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Carrasastova wrote:A major overhaul, or two, yes, but not outdated, per say.


I think we need a whole new organization, with a new name.

Hm, what sounds good...

Global Meeting?

nah

Worldwide Conference? NO

hm....

aha!

How about the World Assembly! :P

Ok,let the world assembly replace the organization that should not be named.

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Postby Undivulged Principles » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:59 pm

That way Max can receive another cease and desist?

Outdated and in serious need of reform would be the Euro, not the UN. The last thing we need is the UN having any more power than it does now.
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Postby MLK » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:00 pm

Any organization with the goal of keeping peace on this earth is a modern organization.

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Postby Alizeria » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:03 pm

Outdated? No. In need of reform? Yes.

One of the biggest areas of reform needed is the removal of the ability of the permanent members of the Security Council to veto resolutions. The permanent membership of this council is in itself outdated (a hangover from World War II) but ultimately it achieves nothing and led to the UN constantly being hamstrung by the often self-proclaimed 'great powers'.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:34 pm

Undivulged Principles wrote:That way Max can receive another cease and desist?

Outdated and in serious need of reform would be the Euro, not the UN. The last thing we need is the UN having any more power than it does now.


Or maybe this time he could send the cease and desist letter. :p
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Postby DaQinguo » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:36 pm

we do not need the U.N., we have Han Fei to guide us.

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Postby Southern Arkansas » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:41 pm

Reform it. Boot those other guys off the Security Council. Those seats belong to the Five Eyes.


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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:04 pm

No, but it does need to be given more executive authority.

At least put it in charge of NATO ffs.
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Postby Ereria » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:57 pm

Cetacea wrote:The Veto power of G5 is whats outdated and needs to be dropped entirely. The UN as a body able to stimulate international cooperation on key issues and to put check and balances on unilateral action is a good thing. Even the ability of the 2 Superpowers (I say 2 but will reluctantly count Russia as 3) to ignore the UN anyway supports the notion that the veto power needs to be dropped and replaced with something real.


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Postby Coreyea » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:05 pm

No.

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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:50 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Carrasastova wrote:A major overhaul, or two, yes, but not outdated, per say.


I think we need a whole new organization, with a new name.

Hm, what sounds good...

Global Meeting?

nah

Worldwide Conference? NO

hm....

aha!

How about the World Assembly! :P

And put Max Barry in charge of it.
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Postby Trevor Phillip Enterprises » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:55 pm

I think it would be important for us to answer several other questions while taking the OP into account. Can the UN be changed from within? What do we replace the UN with? Are we better off with no UN-like organisation? Who leads this change?
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Postby United Nations of Earth Federation » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:15 am

The UN is one of the greatest organizations in the world on the front lines of fighting poverty,natural disasters,humanitarian disasters,diseases,and try to bring stability to the world. There is one problem.
The UN badly needs reforms.
We need to strip the veto power from the Security Council.
We need to make non-binding resolutions into binding resolutions.
We need to allow the UN to maintain an army of armed Peacekeepers that can be deployed in the break of conflict without the Security Council approval to prevent genocide and atrocities to civilians.
We need to allow the UN to maintain an army of Humanitarian Peacekeepers (doctors,nurses,aid workers,engineers,construction workers,etc...)
to deploy to help nations who suffered from natural disasters,epidemics,war,etc... be able to rebuild quickly and return nations back to normal or contain diseases that could spread to other nations.
There are so many other things the UN can be reform in.
We can't get rid of the UN since it will be necessary to human development to united or destroy themselves.
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Postby Hong kong and india » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:15 pm

MLK wrote:Any organization with the goal of keeping peace on this earth is a modern organization.

In theory,then explain Ukraine right now.

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Postby Bezombia » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:17 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Carrasastova wrote:A major overhaul, or two, yes, but not outdated, per say.


I think we need a whole new organization, with a new name.

Hm, what sounds good...

Global Meeting?

nah

Worldwide Conference? NO

hm....

aha!

How about the World Assembly! :P


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Postby Hong kong and india » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:17 pm

United Nations of Earth Federation wrote:The UN is one of the greatest organizations in the world on the front lines of fighting poverty,natural disasters,humanitarian disasters,diseases,and try to bring stability to the world. There is one problem.
The UN badly needs reforms.
We need to strip the veto power from the Security Council.
We need to make non-binding resolutions into binding resolutions.
We need to allow the UN to maintain an army of armed Peacekeepers that can be deployed in the break of conflict without the Security Council approval to prevent genocide and atrocities to civilians.
We need to allow the UN to maintain an army of Humanitarian Peacekeepers (doctors,nurses,aid workers,engineers,construction workers,etc...)
to deploy to help nations who suffered from natural disasters,epidemics,war,etc... be able to rebuild quickly and return nations back to normal or contain diseases that could spread to other nations.
There are so many other things the UN can be reform in.
We can't get rid of the UN since it will be necessary to human development to united or destroy themselves.

And where are those peacekeepers coming from?

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Postby Hong kong and india » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:19 pm

Trevor Phillip Enterprises wrote:I think it would be important for us to answer several other questions while taking the OP into account. Can the UN be changed from within? What do we replace the UN with? Are we better off with no UN-like organisation? Who leads this change?

We won't replace the un,we still need it because we need some sort of unity.
And no,the UN can't change because of the UN charter,which will follow the league of nation's path of a failed idea.

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Postby Trollgaard » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:22 pm

Cetacea wrote:The Veto power of G5 is whats outdated and needs to be dropped entirely. The UN as a body able to stimulate international cooperation on key issues and to put check and balances on unilateral action is a good thing. Even the ability of the 2 Superpowers (I say 2 but will reluctantly count Russia as 3) to ignore the UN anyway supports the notion that the veto power needs to be dropped and replaced with something real.


How about no.

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