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Should Police Officers be required to live where they work?

Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:41 pm

A recent study has shown that many police officers in the United States don't live in the communities they serve.

Here's a link to the article: http://www.citylab.com/crime/2014/08/sh ... rk/378858/

I think police officers, firefighters and all other government workers should be required to live where they work. Not living in the same community creates a disconnect between the public and the police. Perhaps it leads to some of the problems with police in the the communities they serve. They don't have the same connection as someone who lives in the community. Some might say its unconstitutional to force someone to live somewhere however New York City has a residency requirement for city workers. Is that unconstitutional?

Your thoughts?
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Postby Kouralia » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:46 pm

Could open them up to reprisal attacks if their homes/families are noted by criminal elements.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:47 pm

Kouralia wrote:Could open them up to reprisal attacks if their homes/families are noted by criminal elements.


quite.

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Postby Confederate People of the United States » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:49 pm

Live wherever you want, as long as you can make it to work on time.
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Postby Pope Joan » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:27 pm

Yes they should, and so should teachers.

Of course you are going to care more about the outcome of your work if you have to live with it day by day.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:57 pm

Kouralia wrote:Could open them up to reprisal attacks if their homes/families are noted by criminal elements.


It could also tie them to the community and make them more respected/known amongst the population and LESS open to attacks.
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Postby Vetalia » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:16 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:It could also tie them to the community and make them more respected/known amongst the population and LESS open to attacks.


I think that'd certainly apply to the non-criminals but for those who would seriously attempt reprisal against a police officer, I don't think it'd make a whit of difference.
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Postby Shilya » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:17 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Could open them up to reprisal attacks if their homes/families are noted by criminal elements.


It could also tie them to the community and make them more respected/known amongst the population and LESS open to attacks.


Unfortunatly, they have to deal with the least reasonable members of our society, so I don't see that working.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:18 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:It could also tie them to the community and make them more respected/known amongst the population and LESS open to attacks.


I think that'd certainly apply to the non-criminals but for those who would seriously attempt reprisal against a police officer, I don't think it'd make a whit of difference.


I dunno man.
Even criminals would hesitate, because if they hurt a respected community figure, it wouldn't just be a cop.
It'd make the local population dislike them.
Criminals are members of the community too.

Currently, ONLY criminals, not cops, are members of the community. (Local one I mean.)
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Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:19 pm

Why would we want to make it harder for people to take up these occupations when they already get paid so little?

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:20 pm

Shilya wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It could also tie them to the community and make them more respected/known amongst the population and LESS open to attacks.


Unfortunatly, they have to deal with the least reasonable members of our society, so I don't see that working.


Those people are succeptible to peer pressure.

It's all well and good to knife a copper from out of town.

But if your mom knows him and your uncle is a friend of his, it gets a little harder.

They may be violent and such, but they still have people they care about the opinions of.
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Postby Svatantra Mulukama » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:20 pm

I can see the benefits of doing such a thing, but this would make it harder for prospective officers to find employment in a field that's already tough to find jobs in. So, no.
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Postby Shilya » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:21 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Shilya wrote:
Unfortunatly, they have to deal with the least reasonable members of our society, so I don't see that working.


Those people are succeptible to peer pressure.

It's all well and good to knife a copper from out of town.

But if your mom knows him and your uncle is a friend of his, it gets a little harder.

They may be violent and such, but they still have people they care about the opinions of.


That opens up a far worse cup of tea: favoured treatment by the police. One hand washes the other, you don't stab your uncles friend, and in turn, your uncles friend turns a blind eye towards you. The neutrality of the police would be greatly compromised.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:22 pm

Kouralia wrote:Could open them up to reprisal attacks if their homes/families are noted by criminal elements.


Because criminals that want to get even with police don't track them down to where they live if they're in another community. *nod nod*
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:22 pm

Shilya wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Those people are succeptible to peer pressure.

It's all well and good to knife a copper from out of town.

But if your mom knows him and your uncle is a friend of his, it gets a little harder.

They may be violent and such, but they still have people they care about the opinions of.


That opens up a far worse cup of tea: favoured treatment by the police. One hand washes the other, you don't stab your uncles friend, and in turn, your uncles friend turns a blind eye towards you. The neutrality of the police would be greatly compromised.


Unlikely to happen, since it's the cops job to catch the criminal.
It isn't the criminals job to stab a policeman.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:23 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Shilya wrote:
That opens up a far worse cup of tea: favoured treatment by the police. One hand washes the other, you don't stab your uncles friend, and in turn, your uncles friend turns a blind eye towards you. The neutrality of the police would be greatly compromised.


Unlikely to happen, since it's the cops job to catch the criminal.
It isn't the criminals job to stab a policeman.

I dunno man, Cops and Robbers says otherwise....
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Postby Shilya » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:23 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Shilya wrote:
That opens up a far worse cup of tea: favoured treatment by the police. One hand washes the other, you don't stab your uncles friend, and in turn, your uncles friend turns a blind eye towards you. The neutrality of the police would be greatly compromised.


Unlikely to happen, since it's the cops job to catch the criminal.
It isn't the criminals job to stab a policeman.


Sure. Corruption in the police force is completely unheard of. Once a community member puts on the uniform, it makes him magically totally neutral and lets him forget his feelings about all those people he personally knows.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:24 pm

Shilya wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Unlikely to happen, since it's the cops job to catch the criminal.
It isn't the criminals job to stab a policeman.


Sure. Corruption in the police force is completely unheard of. Once a community member puts on the uniform, it makes him magically totally neutral and lets him forget his feelings about all those people he personally knows.


And obviously, this is impossible currently and the police couldn't just say to whoever covers their hometown
"That's my friend jim."
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Postby Shilya » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:25 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Shilya wrote:
Sure. Corruption in the police force is completely unheard of. Once a community member puts on the uniform, it makes him magically totally neutral and lets him forget his feelings about all those people he personally knows.


And obviously, this is impossible currently and the police couldn't just say to whoever covers their hometown
"That's my friend jim."


That does happen. But it's far less likely to happen when the police force is rather large and you simply don't know everyone patroling in your community, and especially don't have the time to introduce them all to your pals and family.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:27 pm

Shilya wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
And obviously, this is impossible currently and the police couldn't just say to whoever covers their hometown
"That's my friend jim."


That does happen. But it's far less likely to happen when the police force is rather large and you simply don't know everyone patroling in your community, and especially don't have the time to introduce them all to your pals and family.


If cops are determined to be corrupt, they'll find a way.

(Incidentally, I think Skitter has rubbed off on me. I wrote that first as "If a cop is determined to be a cop." AllCopsAreCorrupt trope :p .)
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Postby Shilya » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:28 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Shilya wrote:
That does happen. But it's far less likely to happen when the police force is rather large and you simply don't know everyone patroling in your community, and especially don't have the time to introduce them all to your pals and family.


If cops are determined to be corrupt, they'll find a way.

(Incidentally, I think Skitter has rubbed off on me. I wrote that first as "If a cop is determined to be a cop." AllCopsAreCorrupt trope :p .)


Of course, but there's no reason to tempt them more than necessary.
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Postby Frazers » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:30 pm

God no. I already waste enough time checking under my car in a safe area tears after never mind living in bandit country

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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:37 pm

So, how would well off neighborhoods get policed considering how little those in that profession are paid.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:40 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
I think that'd certainly apply to the non-criminals but for those who would seriously attempt reprisal against a police officer, I don't think it'd make a whit of difference.


I dunno man.
Even criminals would hesitate, because if they hurt a respected community figure, it wouldn't just be a cop.
It'd make the local population dislike them.
Criminals are members of the community too.

Currently, ONLY criminals, not cops, are members of the community. (Local one I mean.)

Just because they live in the same community as you doesn't mean that they are respected by everyone in your community. I don't know every person in my neighborhood or their jobs, let alone in my entire area.

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Postby Alexanda » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:41 pm

They should, at least, live near the community, so they can arrive quickly, should the need arise.
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