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Slave owner gets 4 and a half years, told he is naughty

Postby Alyakia » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:49 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-29759239

Police who investigated the "modern day slavery" case of a vulnerable man found working unpaid on a farm say they are looking for other missing men.

David Daniel Doran, 42, was jailed for four-and-a-half years after pleading guilty to making Darrell Simester perform forced or compulsory labour.

The discovery of Mr Simester, who was forced to work for 13 years, sparked a wider inquiry around Cardiff.

Police said they are trying to find the other men they are concerned about.

Officers have received worrying information about one man in particular who they are now trying to locate.

He was living in a cold caravan, washing in a horse trough and working up to 16 hours a day all year round.

Sentencing Doran on Friday, Judge Neil Bidder QC said the way he treated the victim was "repellent and wrong" and "not much better than a slave".

What happened to Mr Simester, from Kidderminster, Worcestershire, led to a wider police investigation.

Acting on intelligence, police launched an operation at Cariad Farm and began digging for possible human remains in September 2013.

Their information proved to be wrong and they found nothing.

But police said there were other leads too and some have already led to the rescue of vulnerable adults.

In other cases the information has been too sketchy and detectives said they do not have enough to go on.
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They have told BBC Wales that they are increasingly concerned for one man in particular.

Det Supt Paul Griffiths, of Gwent Police, who is heading the investigation, said: "We've got a lot of individual names, nicknames or descriptions and we've been trying to locate them on the basis of the information we have and we've been very successful in identifying a large number of individuals, but equally sometimes information is not substantial enough to locate individuals."

They cannot release the name of the man - they themselves only have a nickname - but they say they are worried for his welfare and following all potential leads to try to find him.

Mr Simester had gone missing after going on a trip to the seaside in Porthcawl, south Wales, in 2000.

As he headed home he was picked up at the side of a dual carriageway by a member of the Doran family and taken to Cariad Farm.

He was only found after his family launched a social media campaign and they received a tip-off from a member of the public.

When they saw him again they could hardly recognise him and described him as being a "broken man" who looked far older than his years.

Health-wise he was in a "horrific state" with a chest infection, a hernia and calloused feet, along with being very malnourished.

David Daniel Doran pleaded guilty midway through his trial to making Mr Simester perform forced or compulsory labour.

His father Daniel Doran, 67, who faced the same charge, was formally found not guilty earlier this month.

So yes, he held this guy and forced him to work as basically a slave for 13 years and he gets... 4 and a half years in prison? I don't usually like to jump on the bandwagon of PC gone mad tough on crime but come the fuck on seriously? Is this what it feels to be a Daily Mail reader, except every day? At the very least he should get an ironic 13 years in prison. It's also estimated than even though he would probably have only got minimum wage he still made £800,000-£1,000,000 from not paying him, so maybe he should cough some of that up.

I suppose this also serves as a reminder to everyone that thinks slavery doesn't happen anymore, especially not in their own country, that nope it still happens. Just incase you forgot. And now the police are officially looking into the fun matter of how many other people that have gone missing are locked up in some farmhouse or brothel.

My official OPinion for moderation purposes: Slavery is bad. He needs to go jail longer and probably compensate the guy. Also we need to look for more people but I'm not entirely sure how to do that.
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Postby Everlyn » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:51 pm

That's it? Just 4 1/2 years? The court system these days.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:51 pm

Huh...

Yeah 13 year prison don't sound bad for him.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:53 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:Huh...

Yeah 13 year prison don't sound bad for him.

Double that and add £1,000,000.
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Postby Everlyn » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:53 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:Huh...

Yeah 13 year prison don't sound bad for him.


Even 13 doesn't sound fair. I'm thinking life imprisonment. By this point, slavery should be dead. If you're not with the program...
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:54 pm

Well this certainly makes us look bad.
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Postby Dejanic » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:54 pm

We need gulags for scum like this.

Put the guy to work, let him do a decade or two of honest labour for society.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:56 pm

To be fair, he does sound very naughty, so there's that.
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Postby Faustin Land » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:58 pm

Ifreann wrote:To be fair, he does sound very naughty, so there's that.

He's not getting any gifts this year.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:58 pm

Dejanic wrote:We need gulags for scum like this.

Put the guy to work, let him do a decade or two of honest labour for society.

Forced or compulsory labour as a punishment for forced or compulsory labour is pushing it a bit.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:58 pm

Maximum penalty is 14 years, or a fine, or both.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/slav ... ry_labour/

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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:59 pm

Dejanic wrote:We need gulags for scum like this.

Put the guy to work, let him do a decade or two of honest labour for society.


Take all his money and property. That is where you can really hurt him
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Postby Everlyn » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:59 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Maximum penalty is 14 years, or a fine, or both.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/slav ... ry_labour/


Seriously? That's it?
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:59 pm

Faustin Land wrote:
Ifreann wrote:To be fair, he does sound very naughty, so there's that.

He's not getting any gifts this year.

Except perhaps a lump of coal, that he has to mine himself.
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Postby The Arctic Kingdom » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:03 pm

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Faustin Land wrote:He's not getting any gifts this year.

Except perhaps a lump of coal, that he has to mine himself.


Then again, he also deserves to be defenestrated into a pile of broken glass right before having to step on 59 Legos at once barefoot, then finally having to get a massive paper cut, only to have it sprayed with lemon juice.

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Postby Dejanic » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:04 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Dejanic wrote:We need gulags for scum like this.

Put the guy to work, let him do a decade or two of honest labour for society.

Forced or compulsory labour as a punishment for forced or compulsory labour is pushing it a bit.

The Gulag statement was a bit of an exaggeration, I'm more talking 20 years of Community service.

I think in general we should put more prisoners to use in helping us rebuild our infrastructure and doing work for the people, as opposed to having them sit in prisons all day, what's this muppet going to learn after sitting in a prison for 4 and a half years (probably 2 and a half with good behaviour).
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Postby Page » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:07 pm

A bullet to the head would be more appropriate justice.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:08 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Maximum penalty is 14 years, or a fine, or both.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/slav ... ry_labour/

This relevant information is delicious.


Dejanic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Forced or compulsory labour as a punishment for forced or compulsory labour is pushing it a bit.

The Gulag statement was a bit of an exaggeration, I'm more talking 20 years of Community service.

I think in general we should put more prisoners to use in helping us rebuild our infrastructure and doing work for the people, as opposed to having them sit in prisons all day,

Which would put an awful lot of law abiding people out of work.
what's this muppet going to learn after sitting in a prison for 4 and a half years (probably 2 and a half with good behaviour).

That prison is bad and to be avoided, I imagine.


Page wrote:A bullet to the head would be more appropriate justice.

That would be murder.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:09 pm

Damn, and I thought our justice system was bad. You take the cake Britain.
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Postby Condunum » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:09 pm

Everlyn wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Maximum penalty is 14 years, or a fine, or both.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/slav ... ry_labour/


Seriously? That's it?

Well, yeah. 14 years isn't an unreasonable maximum for a single count of slavery.
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Postby Smoya » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:10 pm

This guy deserves life in prison. What he has done is nowhere near acceptable.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:12 pm

Not sure if I read it right, but is the article saying they think these guys had multiple slaves at one point, and the others died?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:15 pm

Condunum wrote:
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Seriously? That's it?

Well, yeah. 14 years isn't an unreasonable maximum for a single count of slavery.

One wonders just what an offender would have to do to get the full 14 years if keeping someone as a slave for 13 years only gets you 4 and a half. Keep someone for over 40 years?
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Postby Condunum » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:26 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Condunum wrote:Well, yeah. 14 years isn't an unreasonable maximum for a single count of slavery.

One wonders just what an offender would have to do to get the full 14 years if keeping someone as a slave for 13 years only gets you 4 and a half. Keep someone for over 40 years?

Either there was some way he bargained a reduced sentence or the judge is just a twat.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:48 pm

Condunum wrote:
Ifreann wrote:One wonders just what an offender would have to do to get the full 14 years if keeping someone as a slave for 13 years only gets you 4 and a half. Keep someone for over 40 years?

Either there was some way he bargained a reduced sentence or the judge is just a twat.

Well he plead guilty, eventually, but I hardly think pleading guilty cuts your sentence in half or more, so yeah. Probably judicial twattery.
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