Foreign activity in Swedish waters?

[Oggeyria]

So, the Swedish navy is searching for a submarine or something similar in the Stockholm archipelago. Media says it is Russian, but the Russians deny it. It would be logical considering the recent Swedish airspace violations from Russia, aswell as clashing with Finnish boats in international waters.

Who is behind this?
Is the Cold War coming back to the Baltic area?
Should we be worried?

Articles:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29679661
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29680960

[Herskerstad]

Cannot be Russian, soviet engineering ensures waterproof conditions for a minimum of 36 hours.

[T Roosevelt]

The United States of America has the greatest navy that's ever been disciplined. We've got the might, and the higher moral ground. The Russians should be scared of us.

[Gristol-Serkonos]

The United States of America has the greatest navy that's ever been disciplined. We've got the might, and the higher moral ground. The Russians should be scared of us.

Because the NSA spying on Americans gives themselves the higher moral ground.

[Cerbergo]

The United States of America has the greatest navy that's ever been disciplined. We've got the might, and the higher moral ground. The Russians should be scared of us.

What's that got to do with Sweden?

[New Carloso]

Gotta love how the Guardian calls it a 'Russian' submarine. Sounds like something the Daily Mail would put out.

[Oggeyria]

Update, the Swedish Ministry of Defence has released the picture taken of a suspected submarine. Three suspected sightings have been reported.The likelyhood of a foreign activity in Swedish waters has been set to high, the second highest level.




Source (In Swedish): http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/forsva ... rvationer/

[New Carloso]

Update, the Swedish Ministry of Defence has released the picture taken of a suspected submarine. Three suspected sightings have been reported.The likelyhood of a foreign activity in Swedish waters has been set to high, the second highest level.


(Image)

Source (In Swedish): http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/forsva ... rvationer/

Where's the sub?

[Neoconstantius]

Update, the Swedish Ministry of Defence has released the picture taken of a suspected submarine. Three suspected sightings have been reported.The likelyhood of a foreign activity in Swedish waters has been set to high, the second highest level.


(Image)

Source (In Swedish): http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/forsva ... rvationer/

Where's the sub?

It must be that white thing.

[Oggeyria]

Update, the Swedish Ministry of Defence has released the picture taken of a suspected submarine. Three suspected sightings have been reported.The likelyhood of a foreign activity in Swedish waters has been set to high, the second highest level.


(Image)

Source (In Swedish): http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/forsva ... rvationer/

Where's the sub?

Took me a good while to find it, too, quite unclear. But apparently that is it, and it should have disappeared shortly after the photographer took the photo

[Neoconstantius]

Here we go, new Russo-Swedish wars to last another 700 years!

[Oggeyria]

And just when I hoped the whole "Russia vs. The World / Cold War ll" thing was blowing over.. D:

But then again, it might not even be a Russian thing, or a thing at all.

[Neoconstantius]

And just when I hoped the whole "Russia vs. The World / Cold War ll" thing was blowing over.. D:

But then again, it might not even be a Russian thing, or a thing at all.

True. The media has been running with the story of a damaged Russian sub stumbling around in Sweden's waters, but there's been very little information that would suggest that. It's all conjecture at this point.

[Blazedtown]

Here we go, new Russo-Swedish wars to last another 700 years!

Sabaton approves.

Its probably Russia flexing its muscles. So same shit, different day.

[New Carloso]

Where's the sub?

Took me a good while to find it, too, quite unclear. But apparently that is it, and it should have disappeared shortly after the photographer took the photo

'Apparently'. Looks more like a wave or a really small yacht. No... a white blob

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

Source.

The Russian defence ministry has denied reports that one of its submarines got into trouble in the waters off Sweden.

The Swedish military has been searching the sea since Friday, following what the military said was foreign underwater activity.

It has denied looking for a submarine, and said that it was conducting an intelligence operation.

However, a local newspaper said Sweden had intercepted a distress signal in Russian.

Soviet submarine sightings during the Cold War caused security alerts in Sweden in the 1980s.

Russia's military intervention in Ukraine this year has fuelled suspicion about its intentions towards other neighbouring states, notably in the Baltic.

It has several submarines based in Kaliningrad, a Russian enclave bordered by Poland and Lithuania and facing out to Sweden, as well as a much bigger force near Murmansk on the Kola Peninsula.

Last month, another Swedish newspaper, Expressen, reported an incursion by two Russian SU-24 fighter bombers into national airspace. Sweden scrambled jets to see them off, it said.

A defence ministry spokesman in Moscow told reporters that the Russian navy's submarines and surface ships were "performing tasks... according to plan".

"There has been no irregular situation, let alone emergency situation, involving Russian navy vessels," he said.

Sources told Svenska Dagbladet newspaper that Sweden had begun a search after a radio transmission in Russian was detected on an emergency frequency on Thursday evening.

Encrypted radio traffic from a point in the Stockholm archipelago and Kaliningrad was later also picked up.

A corvette equipped with anti-submarine technology, the Visby, joined other vessels, as well as helicopters and amphibious troops, in scanning the search area.

TLDR: Suspected Russian submarine sighted within Swedish waters, near capital.

So what do you think NSG? Is this true or false? Has old Cold War tactics returned?

In my opinion, this could very well be true. But a month ago, two Russian warplanes entered Swedish airspace, and this is not the first time planes have entered either. A Finnish research vessel was also harassed by the Russian navy in the area.

Edit: Another source.

[Anglo-California]

guise is liek 1939 all over agin

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

guise is liek 1939 all over agin

More like the 1980's, when a Soviet submarine crashed in Swedish waters.

[Avaerilon]

The Russians are always buzzing the airspace of the UK and infiltrating the waters of Sweden; nothing new here- Russia under Putin is flexing its aggressio- er, muscles.

[Anglo-California]

guise is liek 1939 all over agin

More like the 1980's, when a Soviet submarine crashed in Swedish waters.

I was joking.


I don't think this is much of an issue. Didn't people freak out when an Iranian ship was in the Atlantic a few years ago?

[Fartsniffage]

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=316553

[Fartsniffage]

Isn't this what depth charges were invented for?

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=316553

Huh, that didn't come up when I searched the forums. Pardon.

If a mod sees this, merge perhaps?

[Males (Ancient)]

The Swedish State is to cowardly to demand other sovereign nations respect Swedish borders. That's why they let Russians violate repeatedly Swedish airspace with no consequences, Russia will face no consequences.

[Risottia]

The United States of America has the greatest navy that's ever been disciplined. We've got the might, and the higher moral ground.

Higher moral ground.