Catalan Independence Referendum- 9th November 2014 Thread.

[Bandwagon]

I decided to start a thread because I saw that the thread about the Scottish independence referendum. First for people who get easily excited here's the countdown to it I made. (For the start time I used what they used for the Euro Elections)
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/election?iso=20141109T09&p0=31&msg=Catalan+Independence+Referendum&csz=1&swk=1
Here is the link to an up to date RT article. (I know it's usually propaganda but it was known for it's coverage over Scotland)
http://rt.com/news/189792-catalonia-support-independence-poll/
First:
If you lived there what would you think. When I went there about every house had a flag. It seems like they want even more than the polls in areas outside Barcelona.
So I decided, The Nationstates Community. Which way would you go?

[MERIZoC]

Yeah, but is Spain okay with this?

[The Lithuanian-Surinamese Caliphate]

I thought the Spanish government said any independence referendums were illegal. I'm pro-independence, but I doubt they'll allow this to happen.

[Lindhartia]

I thought that there were 3 options.

[Bandwagon]

I thought that there were 3 options.

My bad I will change.

[Bandwagon]

Sorry for my bad.
There are two questions.
Do you want Catalonia to be a state?
Do you want Catalonia to stay part of Spain?

[McNernia]

I thought the Spanish government said any independence referendums were illegal. I'm pro-independence, but I doubt they'll allow this to happen.

Yeah, they wont allow it cause Catalonia is a major production area in the Spanish Economy.

[Anglo-California]

Remember the Spain, to hell with Maine!

[Estado Nacional]

This referendum willl be meaningless and will have no effect on the political status of Catalonia. It won't be taken seriously by the Spanish government.

In my opinion, as a non-Spaniard, Spain (and plenty of other countries in Europe, like Italy, France and Britain) should adopt federalism.

[Sczcden]

I'm all for Catalan independence. And if Spain doesn't allow the referendum, well that just shows Spain is doing a horrible job at keeping itself together.

[Anglo-California]

Bring back Franco and put an end to this treasonous talk.

[Alto Mantovano]

Venetian independence when?

[Kiruri]

I'm pro whatever Cataluña wants. Maybe if the Castillians were more effective in eradicating the other Iberian cultures then this wouldn't be a problem, but it's far too late for that

[Pola]

Why all those forms of independency?
We aren't in the medieval ages anymore,
the period with city states and war.

I'm against any form of Independency.
...
Maby we must abolish all states, then is every person independent.

[Vellosia]

It'll probably be a 'Yes' vote to both because the referendum has no formal power and there won't be much of a debate about the issues at hand; the debate so far seems to be mainly focused over legality rather than what it actually means. If people can vote Yes with impunity, then I expect they will.

The Catalan government will then likely demand a settlement not far short of independence; what happens then will be the interesting question.

[Farnhamia]

Bring back Franco and put an end to this treasonous talk.

Uhm ... El Caudillo Franco died in 1975.

[MERIZoC]

Bring back Franco and put an end to this treasonous talk.

….said the Führer.

[Kiruri]

Bring back Franco and put an end to this treasonous talk.

Uhm ... El Caudillo Franco died in 1975.

So? Jesús came back to life, why can't Franco?

Anyway.. if we're bringing people back to life we should bring back Alfonso XIII

[United Marxist Nations]

Why all those forms of independency?
We aren't in the medieval ages anymore,
the period with city states and war.

I'm against any form of Independency.
...
Maby we must abolish all states, then is every person independent.

The reason a lot of groups want independence is because the modern states were formed by conquest of smaller nations.

I think Spain should recognize the referendum; if it doesn't, I would be okay with Catalonia breaking from Spain on its own.

[Pola]

Why all those forms of independency?
We aren't in the medieval ages anymore,
the period with city states and war.

I'm against any form of Independency.
...
Maby we must abolish all states, then is every person independent.

The reason a lot of groups want independence is because the modern states were formed by conquest of smaller nations.

I think Spain should recognize the referendum; if it doesn't, I would be okay with Catalonia breaking from Spain on its own.

Indeed. That's better, because we had to many states.
It's good now. no more independence.

[United Marxist Nations]

The reason a lot of groups want independence is because the modern states were formed by conquest of smaller nations.

I think Spain should recognize the referendum; if it doesn't, I would be okay with Catalonia breaking from Spain on its own.

Indeed. That's better, because we had to many states.
It's good now. no more independence.

Why do you think it's better to have fewer? If a state contains many nations that it forcibly added to its territory, then it has a difficult job representing them all.

[Angleter]

Bring back Franco and put an end to this treasonous talk.

Uhm ... El Caudillo Franco died in 1975.

Ah, but is he still dead?

[Pola]

Indeed. That's better, because we had to many states.
It's good now. no more independence.

Why do you think it's better to have fewer? If a state contains many nations that it forcibly added to its territory, then it has a difficult job representing them all.

Russia is more devided than Spain or the UK.
All those independent things.
It's crazy.
Everybody independent! No states anymore!

[United Marxist Nations]

Why do you think it's better to have fewer? If a state contains many nations that it forcibly added to its territory, then it has a difficult job representing them all.

Russia is more devided than Spain or the UK.
All those independent things.
It's crazy.
Everybody independent! No states anymore!

Yeah, Russia is more divided as far as nations wanting independence go. But how does that change anything? Many countries want independence because 1) many didn't want to be absorbed to begin with, 2) many have been historically oppressed by the ruling nation, and 3) many have desires that are very different than those of the more powerful nation.

[Alyakia]

yes

spains refusal to accept it will probably just exacerbate the situation

Bring back Franco and put an end to this treasonous talk.

do you ever resent the fact that we are on a forum where people can openly call for brutal dictatorship and repression of their political opponents with no consequence as long as they know how to at least try and play the moderation game?