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Your army's main doctrine?

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Your army's main doctrine?

Postby Zhouran » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:02 pm

What is your army's main military doctrine?


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The Zhouranese People's Army prides itself on its heavy firepower. A Zhouranese offensive tends to take on the nature of a gargantuan juggernaut, with the ZPA employing heavy weaponry and sheer numbers to overwhelm their foes. The Zhouranese heavily employ propaganda on the battlefield to inspire their soldiers, and Zhouran's numerous troops have defended the nation with a patriotic zeal not seen anywhere else. While able to mobilize a large number of basic units quickly, Zhouran's main strengths have been demonstrated in the more advanced units that can only be deployed once a battle has been under way for some time. The Zhouranese military doctrine emphasizes direct assault with massive numbers using heavy units. This means that the ZPA is suited to long, drawn-out battles of attrition. The Zhouranese tend to use large vehicles and superior firepower to overwhelm the opponent. The Zhouranese military extensively use energy weapons, which also symbolize the great firepower, which is Zhouran's trademark.

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Postby Amoroff » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:11 pm

Years of living surrounded by enemies have caused the culturally liberal Amoroffians to embrace the idea that the best offense is a good defense. Amoroff is surrounded by walls which are cooperatively maintained by private property owners. Not only that, but drones (usually owned by private defense agencies) constantly patrol the skies, looking to shoot down enemy planes/drones. Amorovians are well armed and can respond to any attack by forming into private militias. Think of Switzerland in that regard.
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Postby The Brethren Court » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:24 pm

Most ships use the motto 'Take what ye can, Give nothing back'. They usually target a ship, then attack.
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Postby Prezelly » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:37 pm

The drastic decrease of Prezlan defense spending has forced the armed forces to result to guerrilla warfare to reduce casualtie
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Postby South Pacific Republic » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:39 pm

Try to take prisoners, so they can back home to their families

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Postby Pimps Inc » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:43 pm

South Pacific Republic wrote:Try to take prisoners, so they can back home to their families

What if they don't have families and/or try to resist your prisons(or whatever)
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Postby Saurisisia » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:45 pm

Combined arms maneuver warfare is the doctrine of the Saurisian military.
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Postby Leonische » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:46 pm

Fast moving, autonomous to some degree, of well-equipped forces. Concentrated firepower will spearhead to destroy and disrupt enemy's command as fast as possible.


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Postby Novus Niciae » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:59 pm

Flexible doctrine is the key to success, don't get locked into a particular way of doing things because someone will find a way to counter it eventually.
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Postby Zhouran » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:03 pm

Novus Niciae wrote:don't get locked into a particular way of doing things because someone will find a way to counter it eventually.

I said main doctrine. It means your military's main doctrine, not which doctrine does your army only use.
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Postby Pimps Inc » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:09 pm

Zhouran wrote:
Novus Niciae wrote:don't get locked into a particular way of doing things because someone will find a way to counter it eventually.

I said main doctrine. It means your military's main doctrine, not which doctrine does your army only use.


That's a doctrine.Dont follow a certain doctrine.(genius)
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No way.

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Postby Auzkhia » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:12 pm

It varies, our Generals and Admirals size up the enemy and determine which strategy to use.
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Postby South Pacific Republic » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:19 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:
South Pacific Republic wrote:Try to take prisoners, so they can back home to their families

What if they don't have families and/or try to resist your prisons(or whatever)


That's why we also drop propaganda leaflets to inform them

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Postby Pimps Inc » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:20 pm

Genius.
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No way.

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Postby Davinhia » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:58 pm

Direct assault

We take air superiority, and then destroy any big things. Get the military in there, and let them destroy all the bad guys head on.

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Postby Zhouran » Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:07 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:
Zhouran wrote:I said main doctrine. It means your military's main doctrine, not which doctrine does your army only use.


That's a doctrine.Dont follow a certain doctrine.(genius)

What I meant is that what is the standard doctrine. Not what is the only doctrine your army uses?

Nice try at being snarky.

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Postby Zhouran » Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:09 pm

South Pacific Republic wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:What if they don't have families and/or try to resist your prisons(or whatever)


That's why we also drop propaganda leaflets to inform them

Which is why we also drop pamphlets at you to inform you that you failed at trolling

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Postby Ruskarkand » Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:30 pm

Direct Assault. If and when Ruskarkand has to mobilize a massive expedition of Dragons and Knights to attack; we do so ruthlessly using lightning-fast strikes - likewise taking advantage of our quantity in order to suppress any would-be hostile elements into submission (and eventually extermination).

Whilst Knights are expendable and don't otherwise require logistics, neither do Dragons ultimately. Everything they need can be 'found in the field', so to speak. Hence, a lightning war (ALA Blitzkrieg) tactic favours us, as we are largely unhindered by the majority of problems that most militaries face, whilst also suffering our own problems to speak of. (They'll remain umentioned, though. This isn't the place for that.)
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Postby Nickel Empire » Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:35 pm

Carpet bomb the entire country, deport people for slave labor and blitzkrieg tatics.
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Postby Asigna » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:45 pm

"Kidlat"

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The Hukbo believes in the concept of "Lightning runs", or the 'Kidlat', which believes in the importance of speed in warfare and would often sacrifice size of their forces or their equipment in order to achieve the desired speed leading the Dangan corporation to start making small yet agile aircraft. Aside from speed, the Hukbo also believes that their forces should retain the most minimal damage as possible though not by setting up defenses or hardening their armor to directly resist attacks, but rather by evading or dodging attacks themselves by utilizing the sheer power of speed.

Since the Hukbo's forces are often widely stretched, in little numbers and there is not logistical equipment to go around, the concept of a perfect victory, or a victory without a loss has been adopted since March 2048. The Hukbo does not believe in making unnecessary engagements with enemies that are not the target of their mission objectives but rather would focus more on the actual problem in an effort to save the Hukbo's forces from needless casualties sustained in meaningless battles. Timing of the execution of plans should also be precise and would remain as planned as otherwise, the advantage of time that the Hukbo tries to make use of would not help.

Often, the Hukbo would execute plans with the plan of not to destroy the enemy, but to incapacitate the enemy through "preliminary operations" and hold it in gunpoint so that they have no other choice but to surrender or face brutal simultaneous annihilation of their forces.

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The concept of Takbong kidlat is also influenced due to the fact Asigna forces often face an enemy of large proportions which use size to their advantage. Since countering with the same size or fighting fire with fire is seen as unnecessary and only extra load for the Filipino economy, in an effort to save the hassle of building large scale weapon projects, the Hukbo surrendered to following the concept of deception through speed and small size.

Critics often say that 'kidlat' is only a fancy word that replaces the "ambush" tactics being used by the Hukbo.


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Postby Lubyak » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:51 pm

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The Lubyakan Army's doctrine has evolved--in modern times--several assumptions about any wars it might be required to fight in the near future against potential adversaries. The majority of these theories developed during the Windigo War, when the threat was perceived to be a combination of: 1) Tomanian or other Loron Pact attacks against the northern Lubyakan border and local allies, and 2) Herdite naval attack, with potential for amphibious assault--upon the Dominion's coastlines, including vital economic, political, and military areas located near the coast. The Army evolved doctrine extensively focused on the Loron Pact, although investment in countering amphibious attacks continued. The main focus of the Army was a quick destruction of the Loron Pact, which would simultaneously prevent Herdite reinforcements from reaching those forces, and allow the freeing up of Lubyakan Army mobile forces to destroy and potential Herdite landing operations. Given the nature of thse two threats, the Lubyakan Army began to develop several assumptions about the nature of the coming conflict.

  1. The Lubyakan Army will possess numerical superiority over any likely adversary.
  2. The Lubyakan Army will likely be outclassed on a tactical and individual weapon by more highly trained, and/or well equipped forces.
  3. The Navy & Air Force will likely be unavailable to provide direct support, beyond that which they provide by proxy.
  4. The Dominion of the Lubyak will be able to mobilise and deploy reserves faster than its enemies, but will ultimately possess less combat power than their combined forces.
These assumptions formed the core of Lubyakan Army theory in doctrine in the modern era, and have shaped both the development of individual weapons systems, and high level military thought. The result has been the development of Independent High Level Dominance (IHLD), which is focused around playing Lubyakan advantages for all their value and attempting to minimise the impact of negative factors. The Independent refers to the assumption that the Army will be forced to act mostly independently of the other two services, and also assumes that the Dominion will not be able to rely--diplomatically--on any other power. Due to changing geo-political situations, many of the key assumptions that Independent High Level Dominance have altered, and the doctrine is not formally embraced by the Lubyakan Army. However, many elements of the doctrine continue to linger on even in the post-Windigo military, and these elements are viewed as universal tenants that must be embraced while new bases for development of future doctrines come into play. However, one factor has never changed. The core belief of the Dominion and the Lubyakan military in general is the Clausewitzian idea that war is a continuation of politics, and as such military operations must always be intended with the political objective in mind. The necessary strategic goals of a military operation will change as the political needs do.

Independent High Level Dominance
IHLD developed several corollaries from the three core assumptions that formed the foundation of the doctrine. The first, was that the Lubyakan Army could not realistically hope to outfight the enemy in a one-on-one basis, and will generally suffer proportionally higher losses from combat. As a result, the core idea of IHLD is that, while the Lubyakan Army might suffer severe losses and setbacks at the tactical and individual levels, these defeats will be overridden by Lubyakan success on the operations and strategic level. The second, was that the Lubyakan Army could not--and would not--rely on potential for support from outside of its own service. While IHLD will gladly accept cooperation when possible, it generally assumes that air force assets will be tied up engaging enemy aerial assets, and striking at deep targets when possible, and will thus be unable to provide direct front line support to advancing force. Similarly, Navy assets will be pre-occupied with coastal defense or raiding missions, and unwilling to mass or expose itself unnecessarily. While support from the other branches--when possible--is to be utilised to its greatest extent, the existence of such support is not to be considered expected or guaranteed. As a result, the Lubyakan Army--in all combat operations--is intended to include its own long range support systems, along with air and coastal defense systems, so as to make the Lubyakan Army as Independent as possible and capable of combat operations of all forms. The third assumption suggests that the Dominion of the Lubyak's period of greatest advantage against an opponent will be in the opening stages of a conflict, when the Dominion of the Lubyak has mobilised and readied more combat power than the opponent, and any Lubyakan advantage will fall off as the enemy gains more time to properly mobilise its forces. The combination of these factors has shaped the very nature of Lubyakan Army doctrine and unit organisation.

The core idea of the Lubyakan Army is that of speed, shock, activeness, and concentration. at all levels of combat. While the exact tactical and operational plans may alter in any given situation, the core ideas of IHLD remain constant. Speed is the tactical and operational need for rapid mobility of combat power, both to active combat areas, and--once within these combat areas--to engage the enemy. Reserves must be quickly brought up and utilised to the greatest effectiveness. Shock is the need to utilise concentrations of combat power in order to achieve localise victories, and then exploit these victories in order to break through into the enemy's rear area, where damage will be done pre-dominantly to vulnerable and critical systems of the enemy's military units such as fire support, logistics, command and control, and combat reserves in order to quickly degrade the hostile forces combat power by selective destruction of combat multipliers. The elimination of combat multipliers will result in the enemy's main concentrations of combat power being relatively easily overrun and destroyed by follow up forces. Activeness is the need for combat operations to proceed constantly, and without pause in order to cause the most damage to the enemy's combat power as quickly as possible. The final factor is Concentration. The success of the large scale, strategic objective must be achieved, and dispersal away from this objective must be maintained at all cost, and can not be allowed to be distracted from by low level activities. Initiative and improvisations are to be encouraged, so long as they contribute to the final success of the strategic objective. A combination of all four factors are deemed necessary in order to achieve victory.

It is at this stage that the 'High Level' aspect of IHLD comes into play. The second assumption based upon the Lubyakan geopolitical position is that--espescially with the ubiquitous availability of high level, technologically advanced weapons systems in the global marketplace--the Lubyakan Army will likely be outclassed at the individual and tactical levels by more highly trained or more well equipped forces. As a result, the Lubyakan Army's intention is to control and win the the war at the High Level--strategic and operations. A key formulation here is that while the Lubyakan Army may take severe casualties, and even come off second best in many tactical encounters, the sum of these low level defeats can and will be translated into success on the operational and strategic levels. The acquisition of High Level dominance is contingent on the coordination of multiple army, army group, and even theatre forces to create the opportunity for a large scale victory. Units at the regiment, brigade, and even division levels are to be considered 'expendable' so long as they are expended towards the goal of achieving large scale, operations scale victories. In general, the focus on High Level dominance has led to massive Army investments into robust, centralised, command and control systems to allow for high level commanders to properly coordinate their forces, and in electronics warfare and deception systems, designed to confused and limit the enemy's ability to respond on a similar level. It is hoped that focused disruption of enemy high level commanders will cause a devolution of combat responsibility to lower ranked tactical commanders, who will perceive only their apparent tactical success, while remaining blind to an increasingly critical operational and strategic situation. Upon Lubyakan acquisition of high level dominance, the importance of such tactical defeats will be rendered moot. Hostile forces will be left scattered, and--while some may retain significant combat power--they will be acting without coordination or significant support from rear area services. Thus, even though the enemy will not be completely destroyed, their forces will be rendered combat ineffective and thus unable to halt further commitment of Lubyakan reserves in order to both destroy these islands of resistance and threaten the enemy's key strategic economic, political, and military assets. By threatening these assets and destroying the enemy's combat power, it is believed that the enemy will be forced to acquiese to whatever political goal sparked the conflict.

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Postby Novus Niciae » Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:05 am

Zhouran wrote:
Novus Niciae wrote:don't get locked into a particular way of doing things because someone will find a way to counter it eventually.

I said main doctrine. It means your military's main doctrine, not which doctrine does your army only use.


Our doctrine is to have the doctrinal flexibility, materiel and training needed to use the most appropriate strategy for facing any given opponent, and to strike them where they are weakest and avoid their strengths.

It also helps that we have an enormous military, so the usual plan in a defensive war is to delay the enemy using massive force, then learn their strengths and weaknesses, and then neutralize their strengths and attack their weaknesses.

In an offensive war we would gather intelligence on our target before attacking , then formulate the most effective plan for neutralizing their strengths and attacking their weaknesses.

No two opponents are exactly the same , so no one plan is appropriate for every situation.
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Postby Slavaska » Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:06 am

Since Slavaska doesn't have a very strong military, we pretty much use guerilla warfare, hit-and-run, etc.

However, when we do mobilize large forces, it's usually for a massive flanking maneuver or surprise attack.

We also practice a strategy of planting many individuals into residences near a target in an enemy nation, then rally them and take/destroy the target.

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