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Should healthcare workers have weight standards?

Postby White Spider » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:27 am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/nhs/1 ... chief.html

Doctors and nurses who are overweight have been ordered to slim down to set a good example to patients amid concerns about the growing obesity epidemic.

Simon Stevens, NHS England chief executive, gave the instructions after finding out that 700,000 medical staff were eight overweight or obese.

His order came as it emerged that obesity and its related health problems may now account for more than a third of the £110billion NHS budget.


Medical experts claimed overweight Britons could be costing the health service £30 billion a year despite successive campaigns to educate people about healthy eating and exercise.

Mr Stevens said: “It is hard to talk about how important this is if we don’t get our act together.”

Two thirds of British adults are now classed as overweight while a quarter are obese, meaning they weigh at least a fifth more than they should.

Being overweight leaves people more vulnerable to a host of health problems all of which place further strain on NHS resources, including Type 2 diabetes, coronary heart disease, strokes and some forms of cancer.

It also increases the likelihood of a person suffering from depression and dementia.

Nearly a fifth of children aged ten and 11 are already obese.

Dr Charles Alessi, a GP and senior health adviser to Public Health England, wants to give doctors new powers to help patients lose weight such as giving out pedometers to highlight how little they exercise.

“We’ve become so much more sedentary. We really don’t move around as much as we used to. I love to be able to prescribe these walking devices,” he said.

“Those could do more good than the prescription of drugs.”


The NHS head seems to think doctors and nurses should be slimming down although i'm not sure what the consequence of ignoring his order would be. It does seem that doctors and nurses trying to give advice regarding weight loss aren't demonstrating good role modelling if they're more rotund (or smoking out the back for example).

Any opinions?

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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:50 am

Doctors and nurses aren't paid to set a good example, nor should they be, so no they should not have weight standards or be expected not to smoke.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:56 am

I don't think you want a 300 pound doctor, but first and foremost you want someone good at their jobs.
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Postby Lordieth » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:58 am

It should be about the job, not about setting examples.

That said, if you're an obese nutritionist, then how is anyone supposed to take you seriously? People don't take advice seriously from people who don't follow it themselves. I think in certain professions, you do have to embody what you teach, but doctors are first and foremost healers, and they have enough to worry about without adding additional requirements and stress to their workload.

I expect policemen to be law abiding, nutritionists to be healthy, and teachers to be smart. I don't think those are such big asks.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:28 am

if people could lose weight by being ordered to there wouldn't be any overweight people.

it would be good for the NHS to have policies that promote a healthy lifestyle but what are they going to do when healthcare workers fail at weight loss, fire them?
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Postby Alcase » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:30 am

I had a doctor that drank but told me not to drink alcohol.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:32 am

Ashmoria wrote:if people could lose weight by being ordered to there wouldn't be any overweight people.

it would be good for the NHS to have policies that promote a healthy lifestyle but what are they going to do when healthcare workers fail at weight loss, fire them?

Reduce their salary 25%. The Tories say it will either save money on healthcare or save money on the payrolls.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:35 am

greed and death wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:if people could lose weight by being ordered to there wouldn't be any overweight people.

it would be good for the NHS to have policies that promote a healthy lifestyle but what are they going to do when healthcare workers fail at weight loss, fire them?

Reduce their salary 25%. The Tories say it will either save money on healthcare or save money on the payrolls.


saving money is the important thing anyway.
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Postby White Spider » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:45 am

Ashmoria wrote:
greed and death wrote:Reduce their salary 25%. The Tories say it will either save money on healthcare or save money on the payrolls.


saving money is the important thing anyway.


Definitely.

I wonder if there could be a financial incentive built into the pay banding they receive.

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Postby White Spider » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:45 am

Alcase wrote:I had a doctor that drank but told me not to drink alcohol.


Why?

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:00 am

White Spider wrote:
Alcase wrote:I had a doctor that drank but told me not to drink alcohol.


Why?

Alcase was diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver.
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Postby Alcase » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:15 am

greed and death wrote:
White Spider wrote:
Why?

Alcase was diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver.

What? no lol I don't drink alcohol
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:37 am

Have they also been ordered not to get cancer? You know. To set a good example.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:37 am

Alcase wrote:
greed and death wrote:Alcase was diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver.

What? no lol I don't drink alcohol

then why would the doctor have told you not to? and how did you know he is a drinker?
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Postby White Spider » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:44 am

Ifreann wrote:Have they also been ordered not to get cancer? You know. To set a good example.


They've obviously been ordered not to smoke on the premises which is the accurate comparison.

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Postby Ucropi » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:47 am

White Spider wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Have they also been ordered not to get cancer? You know. To set a good example.


They've obviously been ordered not to smoke on the premises which is the accurate comparison.

Not really they could easily get skin cancer.
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Postby Alcase » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:49 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Alcase wrote:What? no lol I don't drink alcohol

then why would the doctor have told you not to? and how did you know he is a drinker?

It was more of an advisory; don't all doctors tell you not to drink alcohol?
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Postby White Spider » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:50 am

Ucropi wrote:
White Spider wrote:
They've obviously been ordered not to smoke on the premises which is the accurate comparison.

Not really they could easily get skin cancer.


Fine order them not to turn up day in day out with massive sunburn as the comparison.

The point is related to visible hypocrisies when giving lifestyle advice.
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Postby White Spider » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:51 am

Alcase wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:then why would the doctor have told you not to? and how did you know he is a drinker?

It was more of an advisory; don't all doctors tell you not to drink alcohol?


No they just tell us to drink in moderation.

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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:52 am

Alcase wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:then why would the doctor have told you not to? and how did you know he is a drinker?

It was more of an advisory; don't all doctors tell you not to drink alcohol?

I don't know that ive ever gotten that advice. moderate alcohol consumption by adults is not a health risk.
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Postby The Peaceful Territories » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:54 am

greed and death wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:if people could lose weight by being ordered to there wouldn't be any overweight people.

it would be good for the NHS to have policies that promote a healthy lifestyle but what are they going to do when healthcare workers fail at weight loss, fire them?

Reduce their salary 25%. The Tories say it will either save money on healthcare or save money on the payrolls.

Whoa Whoa Whoa. Whoa. 25% is way too much. That's like 100 k for the average high end doctor. I think 5% is better

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Postby Exxosia » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:58 am

I think if you have a 400 pound medic getting on your case about your weight, it makes it a lot easier to not only disregard what they are saying, but go out and get a spite-burger afterward.

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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:59 am

The Peaceful Territories wrote:
greed and death wrote:Reduce their salary 25%. The Tories say it will either save money on healthcare or save money on the payrolls.

Whoa Whoa Whoa. Whoa. 25% is way too much. That's like 100 k for the average high end doctor. I think 5% is better

5% isn't going to get anyone to lose weight. it has to hurt.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:59 am

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Postby Kiruri » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:00 am

I choose my personal doctor based on, among other things, if he/she looks and is healthy, active and follows the same advice he/she's giving me. I don't expect a model (someone with rock hard abs, musles, etc.) or someone with extremely good health (without any health issues/illnesses), but I don't settle for someone who's a smoker, significantly overweight, and looks far too unhealthy.

I think forcing all health professionals to slim down is taking it too far, especially considering you can be healthy without having muscle and abs. Staying within certain weight limits (which are unique to each individual and not someting which should be generalized) should be encouraged.

Of course, health professionals should always take the lead in setting an example for everyone. That's part of their duty as professionals and I would think less of someone (as a professional) who doesn't set an example.

The profession includes setting an example for others to follow.
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