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Postby Baltenstein » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:37 am

The Hague has sentenced the Russian government to pay a huge amount of compensation for the hostile takeover of Yukos, the former company of Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

(Reuters) - The Hague's arbitration court ruled on Monday that Russia must pay a group of shareholders in oil giant Yukos $50.02 billion for expropriating its assets, a big hit for a country teetering on the brink of recession.

The arbitration panel in the Netherlands said it had awarded shareholders in the GML group just under half of their $114 billion claim, going some way to covering the money they lost when the Kremlin seized Yukos, once controlled by Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a decade ago.

"The award is a slam dunk. It is for $50 billion, and that cannot be disputed," said Tim Osborne, director of GML. "It's now a question of enforcing it."

Russia's Finance Ministry called the ruling "flawed", "one-sided" and "politically biased" and said it would appeal the decision. It comes as Russia and the West are in their biggest stand-off since the Cold War over Moscow's actions in Ukraine.

Russia argued that the court ignored tax violations by Yukos and said it was senseless and speculative to value Yukos so long after the events. Lawyers, however, said there were only limited grounds on which to appeal.

The panel of judges, which has been reviewing the case since 2005, concluded that officials under President Vladimir Putin had manipulated the legal system to bankrupt Yukos.

"Yukos was the object of a series of politically motivated attacks by the Russian authorities that eventually led to its destruction," the court said. "The primary objective of the Russian Federation was not to collect taxes but rather to bankrupt Yukos and appropriate its valuable assets."


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This will probably strain the relations between Russia and the West in general and the Netherlands in particular even more. I also don't think it very likely that Russia is really going to pay the - considerable - amount to the suers. It might even flat out refuse.
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Postby Aurulie » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:39 am

Baltenstein wrote:The Hague has sentenced the Russian government to pay a huge amount of compensation for the hostile takeover of Yukos, the former company of Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

(Reuters) - The Hague's arbitration court ruled on Monday that Russia must pay a group of shareholders in oil giant Yukos $50.02 billion for expropriating its assets, a big hit for a country teetering on the brink of recession.

The arbitration panel in the Netherlands said it had awarded shareholders in the GML group just under half of their $114 billion claim, going some way to covering the money they lost when the Kremlin seized Yukos, once controlled by Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a decade ago.

"The award is a slam dunk. It is for $50 billion, and that cannot be disputed," said Tim Osborne, director of GML. "It's now a question of enforcing it."

Russia's Finance Ministry called the ruling "flawed", "one-sided" and "politically biased" and said it would appeal the decision. It comes as Russia and the West are in their biggest stand-off since the Cold War over Moscow's actions in Ukraine.

Russia argued that the court ignored tax violations by Yukos and said it was senseless and speculative to value Yukos so long after the events. Lawyers, however, said there were only limited grounds on which to appeal.

The panel of judges, which has been reviewing the case since 2005, concluded that officials under President Vladimir Putin had manipulated the legal system to bankrupt Yukos.

"Yukos was the object of a series of politically motivated attacks by the Russian authorities that eventually led to its destruction," the court said. "The primary objective of the Russian Federation was not to collect taxes but rather to bankrupt Yukos and appropriate its valuable assets."


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This will probably strain the relations between Russia and the West in general and the Netherlands in particular even more. I also don't think it very likely that Russia is really going to pay the - considerable - amount to the suers. It might even flat out refuse.

Screw that. Russia won't play petty games.

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Postby Rio Cana » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:44 am

If the appeals court upholds the lower courts decision then chances are they will try to located any Russian government owned property in Western Europe in order to confiscate and sell in order to gather the $50 Billion.
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:20 am

Aurulie wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:The Hague has sentenced the Russian government to pay a huge amount of compensation for the hostile takeover of Yukos, the former company of Mikhail Khodorkovsky.



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This will probably strain the relations between Russia and the West in general and the Netherlands in particular even more. I also don't think it very likely that Russia is really going to pay the - considerable - amount to the suers. It might even flat out refuse.

Screw that. Russia won't play petty games.


Edit: Nevermind.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:25 am

The Scientific States wrote:
Aurulie wrote:Screw that. Russia won't play petty games.


Paying for the damages caused to Ukraine, and being rightfully punished isn't "petty games."

This isn't related to Ukraine. It's about the expropriation of Yukos assets.
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Postby Christiaanistan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:38 am

Although this case was started long before the whole thing with Ukraine, I think that the timing of the ruling itself is absolutely the most delicious thing that I have heard in years.
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Postby Alcase » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:42 am

Something the West doesn't understand, but Jessica Williams put nicely...

Putin doesn't give a shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvH73m_XGn0
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Postby Snowfall the Unicorn » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:43 am

HAHA. Of course Russia is going to say anything negative against them has every flaw they can possibly come up with at the moment. I'm for this just because I'm anti-Russia :lol2:

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Postby Christiaanistan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:48 am

Alcase wrote:Something the West doesn't understand, but Jessica Williams put nicely...

Putin doesn't give a shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvH73m_XGn0
Then we'll just have to keep kicking him until he is too incapacitated to cause any trouble.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:49 am

Christiaanistan wrote:Although this case was started long before the whole thing with Ukraine, I think that the timing of the ruling itself is absolutely the most delicious thing that I have heard in years.

"Coincidences must be related" is flawed logic. Can you prove the ruling is politically motivated?
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Postby Christiaanistan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:52 am

Geilinor wrote:
Christiaanistan wrote:Although this case was started long before the whole thing with Ukraine, I think that the timing of the ruling itself is absolutely the most delicious thing that I have heard in years.

"Coincidences must be related" is flawed logic. Can you prove the ruling is politically motivated?
Now, would you update me on which part of my post actually implied that I thought the ruling was politically motivated, please? Either I am having trouble keeping up, or there is something wrong with our communication system.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:53 am

Christiaanistan wrote:
Geilinor wrote:"Coincidences must be related" is flawed logic. Can you prove the ruling is politically motivated?
Now, would you update me on which part of my post actually implied that I thought the ruling was politically motivated, please? Either I am having trouble keeping up, or there is something wrong with our communication system.

You found something suspicious with the timing, or you wouldn't have mentioned it.
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Postby Christiaanistan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:56 am

Geilinor wrote:
Christiaanistan wrote:Now, would you update me on which part of my post actually implied that I thought the ruling was politically motivated, please? Either I am having trouble keeping up, or there is something wrong with our communication system.

You found something suspicious with the timing, or you wouldn't have mentioned it.
All that I suspect is serendipity.
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Postby Pope Joan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:38 pm

Let them pass along the costs, as US corporations do.

Higher energy bills for Europe.
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Postby Vamtrl » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:46 pm

Pope Joan wrote:Let them pass along the costs, as US corporations do.

Higher energy bills for Europe.


More incentive to break away from relying on Russia's gas! Yusssss!

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Postby Other Thafoo » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:51 pm

Putin couldn't care less. He's a comicbook villain.

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Postby Scomagia » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:54 pm

As though Putin gives a damn. If Russia were being led by reasonable people, this might matter. It isn't so it doesn't.
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Postby Vamtrl » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:02 pm

Russia doesn't exist in a bubble, sanctions would hurt their growing economy since the majority of their trade is exporting their natural resources. Though an article I read about China and Russia says that is soon to change. I would have enjoyed seeing Russia kicked in the balls :(

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Postby Scomagia » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:03 pm

Vamtrl wrote:Russia doesn't exist in a bubble, sanctions would hurt their growing economy since the majority of their trade is exporting their natural resources. Though an article I read about China and Russia says that is soon to change. I would have enjoyed seeing Russia kicked in the balls :(

I don't want to see Russia "kicked in the balls" and I don't know why you would either. What I want is a change in leadership and policy.
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Postby Vamtrl » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:11 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:Russia doesn't exist in a bubble, sanctions would hurt their growing economy since the majority of their trade is exporting their natural resources. Though an article I read about China and Russia says that is soon to change. I would have enjoyed seeing Russia kicked in the balls :(

I don't want to see Russia "kicked in the balls" and I don't know why you would either. What I want is a change in leadership and policy.


And what I want is to see is Russia kicked in the balls, maybe we can have both in the future?

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Postby Jawyhria » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:12 pm

I wonder how much they'd to pay as compensation for the crimes they commited in Chechenya and Dagestan. Not that it would help alleviate the situation in these countries, though.
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Postby Techno-Titania » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:14 pm

Lol. Putin will shoot the ole ignore cannon.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:29 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I don't want to see Russia "kicked in the balls" and I don't know why you would either. What I want is a change in leadership and policy.


And what I want is to see is Russia kicked in the balls, maybe we can have both in the future?


Mother Russia has balls? :shock:
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Postby Other Thafoo » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:31 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
And what I want is to see is Russia kicked in the balls, maybe we can have both in the future?


Mother Russia has balls? :shock:

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Postby Vamtrl » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:34 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
And what I want is to see is Russia kicked in the balls, maybe we can have both in the future?


Mother Russia has balls? :shock:


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