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What is the worst type of communism?

Marxist-Leninism
0
No votes
Stalinism
15
34%
Trotskyism
0
No votes
Maoism
13
30%
Juche
11
25%
Anarcho-Communism
1
2%
Other (please explain)
4
9%
 
Total votes : 44

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Worst type of communism?

Postby Hatay » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:49 am

Marxism, Stalinism, Juche, Maoism. All types of communism. Some may say communism was a bad idea as a whole and they may be correct as communist nations faded into the mist of totalitarianism and cults of personality. Now of all these types. Which was the most horrible, NSG?
In my opinion. It Stalinism, killed more then Hitler and Mao. It oppressed all of russia. Just look at how many people Stalin murdered. Look how he orchestrated his personality cult. Look how he eliminated all who supported him. Look how he ruled Russia with an iron fist.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:50 am

Anarcho-communism. I'm sure those freedom loving hippies are despicable.

But really, don't confuse marxists with anarchists. It's insulting.

Plus, marxism-leninism and Stalinism are the same thing.
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Postby Hatay » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:52 am

Unitaristic Regions wrote:Anarcho-communism. I'm sure those freedom loving hippies are despicable.

But really, don't confuse marxists with anarchists. It's insulting.

Plus, marxism-leninism and Stalinism are the same thing.

Well the realities of both were different. Lenin's and Stalin's societies were much different.
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Anarchy

Postby Inyourfaceistan » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:52 am

InB4 "Not really communism!"

Seriously though, Cambodian Maosim followed by Nicaraguan Socialism.
But they are all disgusting and evil...
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:52 am

Maoism. Juche is just a form of extreme nationalism.
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:53 am

Death toll, Maoism. Policy-wise, they all equally suck.
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Postby Hatay » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:53 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:Maoism. Juche is just a form of extreme nationalism.

You may be correct. You know, North korea has banned all books by or about Marx or Lenin. They have also remove date word "communism" from the constitution.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:55 am

Hatay wrote:Marxism, Stalinism, Juche, Maoism. All types of communism. Some may say communism was a bad idea as a whole and they may be correct as communist nations faded into the mist of totalitarianism and cults of personality. Now of all these types. Which was the most horrible, NSG?
In my opinion. It Stalinism, 1) killed more then Hitler and Mao. It oppressed all of russia. Just look at how many people 2) Stalin murdered. Look how 3) he orchestrated his personality cult. 4) Look how he eliminated all who supported him. 5) Look how he ruled Russia with an iron fist.

1) Blatant lie.
2) Stalin himself? You mean there was no bureaucracy that held just as much as, if not more power, and continued to exist long after Stalin died?
3) Cult was fostered by the bureaucracy, Stalin publicly opposed the personality cult.
4) Those poor supporters of Stalin. :p
5) Again, no mention of the bureaucracy?
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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:56 am

All types.
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Postby Hatay » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:57 am

Inyourfaceistan wrote:InB4 "Not really communism!"

Seriously though, Cambodian Maosim followed by Nicaraguan Socialism.
But they are all disgusting and evil...

Right.
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Postby Versail » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:58 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Hatay wrote:Marxism, Stalinism, Juche, Maoism. All types of communism. Some may say communism was a bad idea as a whole and they may be correct as communist nations faded into the mist of totalitarianism and cults of personality. Now of all these types. Which was the most horrible, NSG?
In my opinion. It Stalinism, 1) killed more then Hitler and Mao. It oppressed all of russia. Just look at how many people 2) Stalin murdered. Look how 3) he orchestrated his personality cult. 4) Look how he eliminated all who supported him. 5) Look how he ruled Russia with an iron fist.

1) Blatant lie.
2) Stalin himself? You mean there was no bureaucracy that held just as much as, if not more power, and continued to exist long after Stalin died?
3) Cult was fostered by the bureaucracy, Stalin publicly opposed the personality cult.
4) Those poor supporters of Stalin. :p
5) Again, no mention of the bureaucracy?

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:58 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:Maoism. Juche is just a form of extreme nationalism.

^This.
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Postby South Pacific Republic » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:58 am

I say Maoism, because of the complete and utter failures of the policies put forword. All you can do is farm? Make steel without any proper equipment. You have any form of intelligence? You are a traitor and must be executed. How to grow more food? Plant more seeds in the same amount of space and kill anyone who says it can't be done.

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Postby Wind in the Willows » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:00 pm

Definitely Juche.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:00 pm

Versail wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:1) Blatant lie.
2) Stalin himself? You mean there was no bureaucracy that held just as much as, if not more power, and continued to exist long after Stalin died?
3) Cult was fostered by the bureaucracy, Stalin publicly opposed the personality cult.
4) Those poor supporters of Stalin. :p
5) Again, no mention of the bureaucracy?

^

We also probably shouldn't forget all of the progress made under Stalin, and that he tried to bring in democratic national elections in the 1936 Constitution, but this was taken out at the insistence of the Supreme Soviet (this caused mass unrest).
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Postby The Worlds Widest Web » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:03 pm

Maoism.
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Postby Cymric Corporate Authority » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:04 pm

I voted other as it's like comparing which version of the flu you got. It doesn't matter which strain of communism that you were infected with, it's that you were infected. Once the foul stain of ideas known as communism has been removed from this world, the better off all capitalist loving nations will be.
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:07 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Hatay wrote:Marxism, Stalinism, Juche, Maoism. All types of communism. Some may say communism was a bad idea as a whole and they may be correct as communist nations faded into the mist of totalitarianism and cults of personality. Now of all these types. Which was the most horrible, NSG?
In my opinion. It Stalinism, 1) killed more then Hitler and Mao. It oppressed all of russia. Just look at how many people 2) Stalin murdered. Look how 3) he orchestrated his personality cult. 4) Look how he eliminated all who supported him. 5) Look how he ruled Russia with an iron fist.

1) Blatant lie.
2) Stalin himself? You mean there was no bureaucracy that held just as much as, if not more power, and continued to exist long after Stalin died?
3) Cult was fostered by the bureaucracy, Stalin publicly opposed the personality cult.
4) Those poor supporters of Stalin. :p
5) Again, no mention of the bureaucracy?

1. True, but his government did kill a lot. He is directly responsible.
2. If it's his government, and this happens on a daily basis, it's his fault.
3. “I'm personally against seeing my pictures and statues in the streets, ... But it's what the people want.” - Turkmenbashi. Newsflash: dictators often lie.
4. Your point?
5. He helped expand it, and made it do what he wanted.
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Postby Kumuri » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:08 pm

Cymric Corporate Authority wrote:I voted other as it's like comparing which version of the flu you got. It doesn't matter which strain of communism that you were infected with, it's that you were infected. Once the foul stain of ideas known as communism has been removed from this world, the better off all capitalist loving nations will be.

Want some medicine for that capitalism? You sound absolutely terrible....
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:08 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Versail wrote:^

We also probably shouldn't forget all of the progress made under Stalin, and that he tried to bring in democratic national elections in the 1936 Constitution, but this was taken out at the insistence of the Supreme Soviet (this caused mass unrest).

You are just too funny. Stalin didn't want democracy.
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Postby United Crimson Socialist Republics » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:11 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:Anarcho-communism. I'm sure those freedom loving hippies are despicable.

But really, don't confuse marxists with anarchists. It's insulting.

Plus, marxism-leninism and Stalinism are the same thing.


No. That is far from the truth. While Leninism and Marxism are similar Marxism focuses on agriculture and peace while leininism believes in the bloody rise of revolutionary proletarians to the same end. Stalinism is not communism and a lot of communist groups I know of don't accept stalinists.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:15 pm

Murkwood wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:1) Blatant lie.
2) Stalin himself? You mean there was no bureaucracy that held just as much as, if not more power, and continued to exist long after Stalin died?
3) Cult was fostered by the bureaucracy, Stalin publicly opposed the personality cult.
4) Those poor supporters of Stalin. :p
5) Again, no mention of the bureaucracy?

1. True, but his government did kill a lot. He is directly responsible.
2. If it's his government, and this happens on a daily basis, it's his fault.
3. “I'm personally against seeing my pictures and statues in the streets, ... But it's what the people want.” - Turkmenbashi. Newsflash: dictators often lie.
4. Your point?
5. He helped expand it, and made it do what he wanted.

1) Not his government.
2) Again, not his government.
3) He banned renaming places after him in 1936, and repeatedly told Party members to not indulge the personality cult (at least he said so privately), but said that people believed he was acting out of false modesty.
4) I was making a joke about the misstatement in the OP, that wasn't intended to be a serious point.
5) If he made it do what he wanted, then why did it not do what he wanted? Which, like I said, the expansion of the rights of Trade Unions and multicandidate elections.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:15 pm

Murkwood wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:We also probably shouldn't forget all of the progress made under Stalin, and that he tried to bring in democratic national elections in the 1936 Constitution, but this was taken out at the insistence of the Supreme Soviet (this caused mass unrest).

You are just too funny. Stalin didn't want democracy.

Multicandidate elections would have been a better term.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:16 pm

Maoism, because Juche has nothing to do with communism whatsoever.
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Postby Chestaan » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:18 pm

Murkwood wrote:Death toll, Maoism. Policy-wise, they all equally suck.


Yes because Anarcho-Communism and Khmer-Rougism are both equally horrible, right?
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