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I.V.F- Yes or no?

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Should I.V.F Be Allowed?

Yes
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No
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In certain circumstances (please explain)
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Another
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I.V.F- Yes or no?

Postby Alexanda » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:33 am

During recent research on I.V.F, I started to wonder what players on NationStates would think about the topic, and wherever it should be allowed or not. For those who do not know much about it, I will give you a brief outline:
I.V.F is when one has Eggs removed from one's body and mixed with the Sperm of the spouse. After this is done (and if the Eggs are fertilized,) then they shall be placed inside the waiting mother. Should these eggs attach to the Uterus Lining, then it will become an Embryo and pregnancy will occur. Before the procedure, doctors give hormones to the awaiting mother to ensure her Ovaries produce as many Eggs as possible; therefore giving the medical team a better chance of getting one.

Although the procedure does not have a 100% chance or working, it can be attempted numerous times, and one can have the fertilized eggs frozen as so they can be used at later dates. Nevertheless, the procedure (although proven to give hope to childless couples,) has so often been dammed by Christians; some saying that it is does not cooperate with the teachings of Christ, and it is evil to have I.V .F performed. As a Christian, I find it absurd that other believers would think that God would dislike I.V.F; on the contrary, I prefer to think He would find it excellent that childless couples can now have babies, and more love can be brought into the world.

Furthermore, I think I.V.F should be praised by the Church, rather than condoned. However, NationStates players, what do you think?
(Although a poll will be provided, please do feel free to discuss all aspects of I.V.F and do not be afraid to voice your opinions.)

Information of I.V.F from the N.H.S Website: https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... i9L0IL10Ig
Church teachings on I.V.F: https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... RhJ-PsihQw
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Postby Aelbica » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:36 am

I mean, I'm not really Christian, so I can at best perform an outsider's analysis as to whether or not claims that it's "against the will of God" are valid or not.

I do think it should be legal for secular governments, though. And I feel like there's very little (if anything) that suggests that, under my (Pagan/Unitarian Universalist) faith, it should be considered immoral.
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Postby Kernen » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:37 am

God doesn't come into it. People should be allowed to do as they please with their bodies.

Also, is there a typo in your title? You ask about IFF, not IVF.
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:37 am

I don't really care what religious group X thinks about my life and IVF is a completely ethical, safe and beneficial procedure that harms nobody. So I guess that's a yes.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:38 am

it generates thousands of "babies" every year who will never ever be given a chance to live.

if you are a "life begins at fertilization" person then you ought to be staunchly against ivf that generates extra "babies" and especially techniques that implant many "babies" then if more than 2 or 3 implant, they remove the rest.

I have no problem with it.
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Postby Alexanda » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:38 am

Kernen wrote:God doesn't come into it. People should be allowed to do as they please with their bodies.

Also, is there a typo in your title? You ask about IFF, not IVF.

Yes- how stupid of me!
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Postby Alexanda » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:41 am

Ashmoria wrote:it generates thousands of "babies" every year who will never ever be given a chance to live.

if you are a "life begins at fertilization" person then you ought to be staunchly against ivf that generates extra "babies" and especially techniques that implant many "babies" then if more than 2 or 3 implant, they remove the rest.

I have no problem with it.

I dislike Abortion and support the opinion that 'life begins at Fertilization.' However, I think it is quite a different scenario: The couple want a child when they have I.V.F, whilst they do not when having an Abortion. Although one can see how it connects.
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Postby Kernen » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:44 am

Alexanda wrote:
Kernen wrote:God doesn't come into it. People should be allowed to do as they please with their bodies.

Also, is there a typo in your title? You ask about IFF, not IVF.

Yes- how stupid of me!

No worries! F and V are close together on the keyboard. ;)
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:54 am

Of course it should be allowed.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:56 am

It's wonderful that we can create human life in a petri dish and implant it in the mother!
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Postby Alexanda » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:56 am

Kernen wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Yes- how stupid of me!

No worries! F and V are close together on the keyboard. ;)

You wouldn't think I passed tests on my typing skills!
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:56 am

Alexanda wrote:
Kernen wrote:No worries! F and V are close together on the keyboard. ;)

You wouldn't think I passed tests on my typing skills!

It happens to the best of us.
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Postby Alexanda » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:02 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:It's wonderful that we can create human life in a petri dish and implant it in the mother!

Yes- In my opinion, a kind, caring person such as Jesus would love that science offered such a solution.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:06 am

Alexanda wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:it generates thousands of "babies" every year who will never ever be given a chance to live.

if you are a "life begins at fertilization" person then you ought to be staunchly against ivf that generates extra "babies" and especially techniques that implant many "babies" then if more than 2 or 3 implant, they remove the rest.

I have no problem with it.

I dislike Abortion and support the opinion that 'life begins at Fertilization.' However, I think it is quite a different scenario: The couple want a child when they have I.V.F, whilst they do not when having an Abortion. Although one can see how it connects.

you think it is OK to "kill babies" if at least one was wanted but its not OK to "kill a baby" you didn't want?
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:08 am

Of course it should be allowed, by wouldn't it be?

Damn I heard in-vitro and now I want a lab burger. :D

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Postby Alexanda » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:09 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Alexanda wrote:I dislike Abortion and support the opinion that 'life begins at Fertilization.' However, I think it is quite a different scenario: The couple want a child when they have I.V.F, whilst they do not when having an Abortion. Although one can see how it connects.

you think it is OK to "kill babies" if at least one was wanted but its not OK to "kill a baby" you didn't want?

In a way.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:03 am

Alexanda wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:you think it is OK to "kill babies" if at least one was wanted but its not OK to "kill a baby" you didn't want?

In a way.


don't you want to think that through a bit? it seems to me to be far worse to create ....whatever they are called at that stage...zygotes? blastocysts?.. that you know you are going to kill than it is to do away with one that was created by accident.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:06 am

It's totally ok. With no (scientific) doubt.
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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:07 am

Given that I was born in a fashion similar to this (only a few things were different), I believe this should be allowed.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:19 am

Of course. The opinions of religious groups should have absolutely no impact on social policy, which relates to matters on earth involving real things.
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Postby Soviet Communist » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:21 am

"Be fruitful and Multiply" were Gods instructions to Adam and Eve. This is a hard decision since ti is unnatural and tampers with the temple of the body (the woman's body), and goes into her private areas lie abortion and such. Hrmmm. :eyebrow:
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:24 am

If people think that their god doesn't approve of IVF then they're welcome to not get IVF. As to anyone else, that's between them and their doctor.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:24 am

Soviet Communist wrote:"Be fruitful and Multiply" were Gods instructions to Adam and Eve. This is a hard decision since ti is unnatural and tampers with the temple of the body (the woman's body), and goes into her private areas lie abortion and such. Hrmmm. :eyebrow:

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Postby Scomagia » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:24 am

Ifreann wrote:If people think that their god doesn't approve of IVF then they're welcome to not get IVF. As to anyone else, that's between them and their doctor.

If only people would be so rational Iffy.
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Postby Soviet Communist » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:25 am

Scomagia wrote:
Soviet Communist wrote:"Be fruitful and Multiply" were Gods instructions to Adam and Eve. This is a hard decision since ti is unnatural and tampers with the temple of the body (the woman's body), and goes into her private areas lie abortion and such. Hrmmm. :eyebrow:

Nothing is unnatural.


So abortion would be natural too? You don't just see an ape in the wild walk into a tree and there is an ape abortion doctor in there.
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