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Cities Banning Homeless People From Sleeping In Cars

Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:20 pm

This isn't a new thing, but it's becoming more common.

From the article.

Across the United States, many local governments are responding to skyrocketing levels of inequality and the now decades-long crisis of homelessness among the very poor ... by passing laws making it a crime to sleep in a parked car.

This happened most recently in Palo Alto, in California's Silicon Valley, where new billionaires are seemingly minted every month – and where 92% of homeless people lack shelter of any kind. Dozens of cities have passed similar anti-homeless laws. The largest of them is Los Angeles, the longtime unofficial "homeless capital of America", where lawyers are currently defending a similar vehicle-sleeping law before a skeptical federal appellate court. Laws against sleeping on sidewalks or in cars are called "quality of life" laws. But they certainly don't protect the quality of life of the poor.

To be sure, people living in cars cannot be the best neighbors. Some people are able to acquire old and ugly – but still functioning – recreational vehicles with bathrooms; others do the best they can. These same cities have resisted efforts to provide more public toilet facilities, often on the grounds that this will make their city a "magnet" for homeless people from other cities. As a result, anti-homeless ordinances often spread to adjacent cities, leaving entire regions without public facilities of any kind.

Their hope, of course, is that homeless people will go elsewhere, despite the fact that the great majority of homeless people are trying to survive in the same communities in which they were last housed – and where they still maintain connections. Americans sleeping in their own cars literally have nowhere to go.

Indeed, nearly all homelessness in the US begins with a loss of income and an eviction for nonpayment of rent – a rent set entirely by market forces. The waiting lists are years long for the tiny fraction of housing with government subsidies. And rents have risen dramatically in the past two years, in part because long-time tenants must now compete with the millions of former homeowners who lost their homes in the Great Recession.

The paths from eviction to homelessness follow familiar patterns. For the completely destitute without family or friends able to help, that path leads more or less directly to the streets. For those slightly better off, unemployment and the exhaustion of meager savings – along with the good graces of family and friends – eventually leaves people with only two alternatives: a shelter cot or their old automobile.

However, in places like Los Angeles, the shelters are pretty much always full. Between 2011 and 2013, the number of unsheltered homeless people increased by 67%. In Palo Alto last year, there were 12 shelter beds for 157 homeless individuals. Homeless people in these cities do have choices: they can choose to sleep in a doorway, on a sidewalk, in a park, under a bridge or overpass, or – if they are relatively lucky – in a car. But these cities have ordinances that make all of those choices a criminal offense. The car is the best of bad options, now common enough that local bureaucrats have devised a new, if oxymoronic, term – the "vehicularly housed".


In the absence of adequate shelter, it's absurd and cruel to prosecute people for doing their best to protect themselves from the elements and gain some small sense of personal security by sleeping in their vehicles. I recall that when my wife and I were homeless, we slept in her car at first, until it was towed for an inability to pay for the registration. After that, we weren't miraculously housed. Instead, we found ourselves sleeping behind a tattoo parlor on the Venice Boardwalk, dodging gangs, and occasionally going to the emergency shelter at the armory when it rained, thereby leaving us at risk of flu, tuberculosis, and whatever other diseases people coughed up through the night in our crowded quarters.

Of course, I understand that homeless people, whether in cars or not, are not always the best neighbors. However, punitive measures designed to chase them out of the neighborhood do nothing to address the problem, and instead leave municipalities in a competition to see who can be the most unwelcoming to vulnerable members of society. I'm not just disturbed by what measures like this do to the homeless people affected. I'm worried about what they say about us as a people.

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Postby Margno » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:28 pm

Where the fuck else are they supposed to sleep.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:31 pm

Wonder how long it's gonna be before someone shows up and defends this on the grounds that, if they can't afford a home, they shouldn't be able to get shelter, so that they die of exposure.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:33 pm

Margno wrote:Where the fuck else are they supposed to sleep.


That's the question, isn't it? As stated in the article, Los Angeles (to use but one example) has about 8,000 shelter beds, and about 90,000 homeless people in the county (actually 88,000 from what I've heard, but people do like rounder numbers). These people sleep in doorways, alleyways, parking lots, and under the awnings of storefronts.

That's not the end of it, though. As I stated in the OP, the shelters themselves, while better than nothing, can be petri dishes for countless diseases, meaning that you're running an entirely different set of risks even if you're one of the lucky ones able to get a bed for the night.

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Postby Shilya » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:33 pm

You want to solve homelessness? Build commieblocks, let them sleep there for free.

You don't want to do that? Then at least leave them the hell alone. I mean, come on, they've got it hard enough as is.
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Postby United Kingdom of Kent » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:33 pm

This is why work houses should be reintroduced, a roof over their heads, food, temporary work and a new skill it's a win win.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:33 pm

This is monstrous. The only possible justification I can think of for this is a public health one where shelters are abundant and widespread.

"You must not sleep in cars... it's too cold in there. come inside."

I'm seriously doubting that this is the mentality of those who supported this, rather, they were probably motivated by contempt and hatred for the poor.
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Postby The blood ravens » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:35 pm

Not surprised a snobby rich community in Silicon Valley did this. Poor billionaires must've gotten tired of seeing dirty commoners sleeping in their cars while driving to work in their new Lamborghini.

Seriously this is just wrong. These people need help, and limiting their options for shelter certainly isn't helping.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:35 pm

Shilya wrote:You want to solve homelessness? Build commieblocks, let them sleep there for free.

You don't want to do that? Then at least leave them the hell alone. I mean, come on, they've got it hard enough as is.


Commieblocks are actually an excellent idea. It fits in well with my previous thread on the shelter first programs going on in some areas.

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Postby Shie » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:36 pm

Why are the homeless without homes? Because they're homeless. :blink:


The government should just build poor people houses.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:36 pm

United Kingdom of Kent wrote:This is why work houses should be reintroduced, a roof over their heads, food, temporary work and a new skill it's a win win.


What sort of skill? The types of skills generally taught at such places are now less in demand in the West than in China.

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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:37 pm

Is this a fucking joke? What if those people are broke as fuck and can't afford to buy or rent a proper home?

You see, this is why capitalism doesn't work, and this is why America is fucked up.

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Postby Shie » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:38 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
United Kingdom of Kent wrote:This is why work houses should be reintroduced, a roof over their heads, food, temporary work and a new skill it's a win win.


What sort of skill? The types of skills generally taught at such places are now less in demand in the West than in China.

Computer programming and engineering.

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Postby Kratu » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:39 pm

Why would they do this? How is anybody harmed by a homeless person sleeping in their car?
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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:39 pm

If its their own car they should be allowed to sleep in it if they have no other real shelter to go to.

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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:39 pm

Shit like this is why the UN is calling us out for human rights violations.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:39 pm

What the fuck.

What even is the point to this barbaric law.
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Postby Tyriece » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:39 pm

Yes, unfortunately this is STRICTLY enforced in my state.
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Postby Margno » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:40 pm

Shie wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
What sort of skill? The types of skills generally taught at such places are now less in demand in the West than in China.

Computer programming and engineering.

Just speaking on the one I know something about, if you want a chance of a job in engineering, you really need a college degree in it.
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Postby Shie » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:41 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Is this a fucking joke? What if those people are broke as fuck and can't afford to buy or rent a proper home?

You see, this is why capitalism doesn't work, and this is why America is fucked up.

Why do homeless people deserve homes when they had a chance at public education and failed because they were online often?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:41 pm

The blood ravens wrote:Not surprised a snobby rich community in Silicon Valley did this. Poor billionaires must've gotten tired of seeing dirty commoners sleeping in their cars while driving to work in their new Lamborghini.

Seriously this is just wrong. These people need help, and limiting their options for shelter certainly isn't helping.

The Silicon Valley moneyed folk are really becoming a bit of an issue in the the Bay Area. But, having all of the money, they'll win the culture war. In time, an artistic and compassionate San Francisco will just be an amusement park attraction at Great America.
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Postby Shilya » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:41 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Shilya wrote:You want to solve homelessness? Build commieblocks, let them sleep there for free.

You don't want to do that? Then at least leave them the hell alone. I mean, come on, they've got it hard enough as is.


Commieblocks are actually an excellent idea. It fits in well with my previous thread on the shelter first programs going on in some areas.


Interestingly, it would probably be a net positive with all those ER bills the homeless tend to rack up and diseases they tend to spread. Not to mention that having an address and access to sanitation helps a lot when looking for a job.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:41 pm

The country is run by sociopaths.

This is something that people of all political spectrums will think is a fucking abomination.

Libertarians and property-minded persons will be outraged along the lines of "It's their car. Why the hell can't they sleep in it if they want to?"
Leftists of all stripes will be appalled by the callous attitude to poverty.

Only sociopaths would favor this. If there were ever a sign of the government having been completely out of touch, this is it.
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Postby Tyriece » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:42 pm

Shie wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Is this a fucking joke? What if those people are broke as fuck and can't afford to buy or rent a proper home?

You see, this is why capitalism doesn't work, and this is why America is fucked up.

Why do homeless people deserve homes when they had a chance at public education and failed so they could play nationstates instead?


...From this and some other posts I have read from you, do you really think life is that black and white?
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:43 pm

Shie wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Is this a fucking joke? What if those people are broke as fuck and can't afford to buy or rent a proper home?

You see, this is why capitalism doesn't work, and this is why America is fucked up.

Why do homeless people deserve homes when they had a chance at public education and failed so they could play nationstates instead?

Because human rights? Because it's fucking barbaric to throw people in jail for being poor? Because it's the government's job to help people, not to hurt them?

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