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India Supreme Court recognized transgender as third gender

Postby Valica » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:28 am

This is a amazing, really.
Out of every country, India.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/04/1 ... A320140415

The Article wrote:NEW DELHI (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - The Supreme Court on Tuesday recognised India's long marginalised transgender community as a third gender and, in a landmark judgment lauded by human rights groups, called on the government to ensure their equal treatment.

There are hundreds of thousands of transgenders in India, say activists, but because they are not legally recognised, they are ostracised, discriminated against, abused and often forced into prostitution.

"Recognition of transgenders as a third gender is not a social or medical issue but a human rights issue," the Supreme Court's two-judge bench said in its ruling.

"Transgenders are also citizens of India. The spirit of the constitution is to provide equal opportunity to every citizen to grow and attain their potential, irrespective of caste, religion or gender."

A person who is transgender does not identify with the gender stated on their birth certificate.

The court ruling - which came after hearing a petition filed by a group of transgenders demanding equal rights - recognised the community as a marginalised group and directed authorities to implement policies to improve their socio-economic status.

The petitioners' lawyers said that this would mean that all identity documents, including a birth certificate, passport and driving licence would recognise the third gender, along with male and female.

The government will also have to allocate a certain percentage of public sector jobs, seats in schools and colleges to third gender applicants, said lawyer Sanjeev Bhatnagar.

Due to their lack of access to jobs and education, many male-to-female transgenders - also known as "hijras" - are forced to work as sex workers or move around in organised groups begging or demanding money.

Hate crimes in the conservative country are common, say activists, yet few are reported partly due to a lack of sensitivity by authorities such as the police.

Transgender rights activist Laxmi Narayan Tripathi said the verdict was a great step towards ending such discrimination."Today Justice Radhakrishnan and Justice A.K. Sikri said that any nation can progress only after it grants all the rights and human rights to its citizens. The transgenders have been given the biggest right," said Tripathi. "Today I feel a proud citizen of India."

The Supreme Court was slammed by human rights activists in December when it reinstated a ban on gay sex, following a four-year period of decriminalisation that helped bring homosexuality into the open. The court said only parliament could change the law.

Human rights groups said they hoped the ruling on transgenders would encourage the new parliament to repeal the anti-homosexuality law as one of its first actions.

India is currently holding general elections with the results due on May 16.

(Writing by Nita Bhalla; Additional reporting by Suchitra Mohanty and Sunil Kataria; Editing by Douglas Busvine)
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Postby Starkiller101 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:28 am

Good for India I guess.
*Edit this is actually great news good job india*
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Postby Vindex Nation » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:30 am

Sorry but I find all of this dumb. You are born either one way or the other not In-between whatever you are originally is what you are always.
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Postby Cu Math » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:30 am

Wow. I did not expect this. India has stepped up and done the right thing :clap:
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Postby Dejanic » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:30 am

Isn't this negative? From what I've read, Transgendered folks want to be recognized as their transitioned Gender (so Male-Female being considered Female, and Female-Male being considered Male.

To elaborate, a Transwoman wants to be seen as a Woman, not as part of a "third gender".
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Postby Divair2 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:31 am

Interesting. India is really a mixed bag.

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Postby Starkiller101 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:34 am

Vindex Nation wrote:Sorry but I find all of this dumb. You are born either one way or the other not In-between whatever you are originally is what you are always.
You know something. I don't usually talk about this kind of stuff since I don't know much about I'm assuming not everyone likes just being identified as either a guy or a girl.
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Postby Vindex Nation » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:37 am

Starkiller101 wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:Sorry but I find all of this dumb. You are born either one way or the other not In-between whatever you are originally is what you are always.
You know something. I don't usually talk about this kind of stuff since I don't know much about I'm assuming not everyone likes just being identified as either a guy or a girl.

But a guy or a girl is what they truly are. There is no 3rd gender.
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Postby Starkiller101 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:37 am

Valica wrote:This is a amazing, really.
Out of every country, India.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/04/1 ... A320140415

The Article wrote:NEW DELHI (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - The Supreme Court on Tuesday recognised India's long marginalised transgender community as a third gender and, in a landmark judgment lauded by human rights groups, called on the government to ensure their equal treatment.

There are hundreds of thousands of transgenders in India, say activists, but because they are not legally recognised, they are ostracised, discriminated against, abused and often forced into prostitution.

"Recognition of transgenders as a third gender is not a social or medical issue but a human rights issue," the Supreme Court's two-judge bench said in its ruling.

"Transgenders are also citizens of India. The spirit of the constitution is to provide equal opportunity to every citizen to grow and attain their potential, irrespective of caste, religion or gender."

A person who is transgender does not identify with the gender stated on their birth certificate.

The court ruling - which came after hearing a petition filed by a group of transgenders demanding equal rights - recognised the community as a marginalised group and directed authorities to implement policies to improve their socio-economic status.

The petitioners' lawyers said that this would mean that all identity documents, including a birth certificate, passport and driving licence would recognise the third gender, along with male and female.

The government will also have to allocate a certain percentage of public sector jobs, seats in schools and colleges to third gender applicants, said lawyer Sanjeev Bhatnagar.

Due to their lack of access to jobs and education, many male-to-female transgenders - also known as "hijras" - are forced to work as sex workers or move around in organised groups begging or demanding money.

Hate crimes in the conservative country are common, say activists, yet few are reported partly due to a lack of sensitivity by authorities such as the police.

Transgender rights activist Laxmi Narayan Tripathi said the verdict was a great step towards ending such discrimination."Today Justice Radhakrishnan and Justice A.K. Sikri said that any nation can progress only after it grants all the rights and human rights to its citizens. The transgenders have been given the biggest right," said Tripathi. "Today I feel a proud citizen of India."

The Supreme Court was slammed by human rights activists in December when it reinstated a ban on gay sex, following a four-year period of decriminalisation that helped bring homosexuality into the open. The court said only parliament could change the law.

Human rights groups said they hoped the ruling on transgenders would encourage the new parliament to repeal the anti-homosexuality law as one of its first actions.

India is currently holding general elections with the results due on May 16.

(Writing by Nita Bhalla; Additional reporting by Suchitra Mohanty and Sunil Kataria; Editing by Douglas Busvine)
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Postby Starkiller101 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:38 am

Vindex Nation wrote:
Starkiller101 wrote:You know something. I don't usually talk about this kind of stuff since I don't know much about I'm assuming not everyone likes just being identified as either a guy or a girl.

But a guy or a girl is what they truly are. There is no 3rd gender.
You may be right however I don't really have a strong opinion on this well at least not as much as LGBT rights, so I think its best if avoid this thread.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:40 am

I love the surprise from everyone when transgender culture has been part of India for millennia.
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Postby Monkeykind » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:41 am

Dejanic wrote:Isn't this negative? From what I've read, Transgendered folks want to be recognized as their transitioned Gender (so Male-Female being considered Female, and Female-Male being considered Male.

To elaborate, a Transwoman wants to be seen as a Woman, not as part of a "third gender".

True, this is not what they want.

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Postby Viritica » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:44 am

Good for them.

You hear that, guys?

India's farther ahead in terms of human rights than we in America are.

Fan-fucking-tastic.
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Dejanic wrote:Isn't this negative? From what I've read, Transgendered folks want to be recognized as their transitioned Gender (so Male-Female being considered Female, and Female-Male being considered Male.

To elaborate, a Transwoman wants to be seen as a Woman, not as part of a "third gender".

It's different in India.
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Postby Viritica » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:44 am

Vindex Nation wrote:Sorry but I find all of this dumb. You are born either one way or the other not In-between whatever you are originally is what you are always.

Says who? Not everyone likes being the gender they were born with. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just the way they are.
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Postby Viritica » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:45 am

Dejanic wrote:Isn't this negative? From what I've read, Transgendered folks want to be recognized as their transitioned Gender (so Male-Female being considered Female, and Female-Male being considered Male.

To elaborate, a Transwoman wants to be seen as a Woman, not as part of a "third gender".

Some people don't want to identify as either.
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Bythibus wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Isn't this negative? From what I've read, Transgendered folks want to be recognized as their transitioned Gender (so Male-Female being considered Female, and Female-Male being considered Male.

To elaborate, a Transwoman wants to be seen as a Woman, not as part of a "third gender".

It's different in India.

Explain please.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:45 am

Viritica wrote:Good for them.

You hear that, guys?

India's farther ahead in terms of human rights than we in America area.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

:rofl:

Oh, can it. Don't make this a comparison contest between your nation and mine. There's no scale to compare between, they're entirely different situations.
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Postby Dejanic » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:46 am

Bythibus wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Isn't this negative? From what I've read, Transgendered folks want to be recognized as their transitioned Gender (so Male-Female being considered Female, and Female-Male being considered Male.

To elaborate, a Transwoman wants to be seen as a Woman, not as part of a "third gender".

It's different in India.

That's not an excuse. This "recognition" simply puts Transgendered people in a separate camp, instead of simply recognising Transwomen as women and Transmen as men.

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Good for India. Not that surprising given India's history on the subject, but still a nice little surprise.
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Monkeykind wrote:
Bythibus wrote:It's different in India.

Explain please.

Third gender has been a part of Indian culture for at least over two millennium, perhaps longer. It's what India's transgender population most often identifies as, because that's who they are. It's their identity and culture.
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Viritica wrote:Good for them.

You hear that, guys?

India's farther ahead in terms of human rights than we in America area.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

:rofl:

Oh, can it. Don't make this a comparison contest between your nation and mine. There's no scale to compare between, they're entirely different situations.

Doesn't matter. Transgender people here would like to be recognized as well, yet we don't allow them to be.

It's really not all that funny.
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Dejanic wrote:
Bythibus wrote:It's different in India.

That's not an excuse. This "recognition" simply puts Transgendered people in a separate camp, instead of simply recognising Transwomen as women and Transmen as men.

This "third gender" isn't even natural...

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:47 am

Dejanic wrote:
Bythibus wrote:It's different in India.

That's not an excuse. This "recognition" simply puts Transgendered people in a separate camp, instead of simply recognising Transwomen as women and Transmen as men.

Thank you for a sheer ignorance of Indian culture and what trans people in India want.

But I'm sure you know their situation and interests better than them.
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