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Is the NRA's "National School Shield" program a good idea?

Postby The United Brony Armies » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:30 am

This program would provide highly trained armed guards to act as protection to the children attending schools who participate. NS do you think this is a good idea to help deter school violence?

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http://www.nraschoolshield.com/NSS_Final.pdf

EDIT: Look at page 11 for findings by putting this program into place.
Look at page 2 for the background info.
Look at page 4 for the assessment process
Look at page 7 for the history of SROs and Challenges
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Postby Blasveck » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:32 am

An institution of education shouldn't be marred by the requirement of armed guards.

School is supposed to be a safe place where one can learn, not where one is in fear of the next shooting. Adding guards will only solidify that worry. Nevermind that we should be addressing the root causes of school shootings, not the effect.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:35 am

Give every school a nuke. That way, no one will dare to attack them!
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Postby San » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:38 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:Give every school a nuke. That way, no one will dare to attack them!

no, no, let's just sell every school to north korea so they can have an entire nuclear arsenal at their disposal!
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Postby The United Brony Armies » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:39 am

Blasveck wrote:An institution of education shouldn't be marred by the requirement of armed guards.

School is supposed to be a safe place where one can learn, not where one is in fear of the next shooting. Adding guards will only solidify that worry. Nevermind that we should be addressing the root causes of school shootings, not the effect.

Yes, adding guards could add to the worry, however having guards on duty has helped with disarming the attackers and solving the situation. As for the root causes for school shootings, there are many. And unfortunately, it is very difficult to solve them. Most being psychopathic and narcissistic tendencies resulting in a very difficult diagnosis. However the next main cause, bullying, should seem to be easy to solve but if it is not reported nothing can be done. Unfortunately.
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Postby San » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:40 am

The United Brony Armies wrote:
Blasveck wrote:An institution of education shouldn't be marred by the requirement of armed guards.

School is supposed to be a safe place where one can learn, not where one is in fear of the next shooting. Adding guards will only solidify that worry. Nevermind that we should be addressing the root causes of school shootings, not the effect.

Yes, adding guards could add to the worry, however having guards on duty has helped with disarming the attackers and solving the situation. As for the root causes for school shootings, there are many. And unfortunately, it is very difficult to solve them. Most being psychopathic and narcissistic tendencies resulting in a very difficult diagnosis. However the next main cause, bullying, should seem to be easy to solve but if it is not reported nothing can be done. Unfortunately.

i can't help but think the guards would intimidate and even terrorise the students infinitely more than they'd be of help preventing shootings.
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Postby The United Brony Armies » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:51 am

San wrote:
The United Brony Armies wrote:Yes, adding guards could add to the worry, however having guards on duty has helped with disarming the attackers and solving the situation. As for the root causes for school shootings, there are many. And unfortunately, it is very difficult to solve them. Most being psychopathic and narcissistic tendencies resulting in a very difficult diagnosis. However the next main cause, bullying, should seem to be easy to solve but if it is not reported nothing can be done. Unfortunately.

i can't help but think the guards would intimidate and even terrorise the students infinitely more than they'd be of help preventing shootings.

I don't think intimidation would be too much of a problem. Yes at first it would be but kids will get used to it. I'm not suggesting swat guards in tactical gear. I'm suggesting SROs (sworn officers who are posted full time in protecting schools)
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Postby Blasveck » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:54 am

The United Brony Armies wrote:
San wrote:i can't help but think the guards would intimidate and even terrorise the students infinitely more than they'd be of help preventing shootings.

I don't think intimidation would be too much of a problem. Yes at first it would be but kids will get used to it. I'm not suggesting swat guards in tactical gear. I'm suggesting SROs (sworn officers who are posted full time in protecting schools)


Police officers are already posted in schools.

Not sure about full-time, but still.
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Postby San » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:55 am

The United Brony Armies wrote:
San wrote:i can't help but think the guards would intimidate and even terrorise the students infinitely more than they'd be of help preventing shootings.

I don't think intimidation would be too much of a problem. Yes at first it would be but kids will get used to it. I'm not suggesting swat guards in tactical gear. I'm suggesting SROs (sworn officers who are posted full time in protecting schools)

because the rent-a-cops have done so well thus far, right?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:58 am

Hmmm...a plan that sells more guns. What a bold and unexpected thing from the NRA.
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Postby The United Brony Armies » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:00 pm

San wrote:
The United Brony Armies wrote:I don't think intimidation would be too much of a problem. Yes at first it would be but kids will get used to it. I'm not suggesting swat guards in tactical gear. I'm suggesting SROs (sworn officers who are posted full time in protecting schools)

because the rent-a-cops have done so well thus far, right?


The cops in my school are not armed. They leave their firearms in their patrol cars. So that would be why they are not effective.
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The United Brony Armies wrote:
Blasveck wrote:An institution of education shouldn't be marred by the requirement of armed guards.

School is supposed to be a safe place where one can learn, not where one is in fear of the next shooting. Adding guards will only solidify that worry. Nevermind that we should be addressing the root causes of school shootings, not the effect.

Yes, adding guards could add to the worry, however having guards on duty has helped with disarming the attackers and solving the situation. As for the root causes for school shootings, there are many. And unfortunately, it is very difficult to solve them. Most being psychopathic and narcissistic tendencies resulting in a very difficult diagnosis. However the next main cause, bullying, should seem to be easy to solve but if it is not reported nothing can be done. Unfortunately.

Universal public mental healthcare plus gun control seem both more sane ideas than this.
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Postby Divair » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:01 pm

No.

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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
The United Brony Armies wrote:Yes, adding guards could add to the worry, however having guards on duty has helped with disarming the attackers and solving the situation. As for the root causes for school shootings, there are many. And unfortunately, it is very difficult to solve them. Most being psychopathic and narcissistic tendencies resulting in a very difficult diagnosis. However the next main cause, bullying, should seem to be easy to solve but if it is not reported nothing can be done. Unfortunately.

Universal public mental healthcare plus gun control seem both more sane ideas than this.


Finding No. 3: A properly trained armed school officer, such as a school resource
officer, has proven to be an important layer of security for prevention and response in
the case of an active threat on a school campus. Page 11 of the source on the OP. This is a sane idea. And not only sane but a very intelligent one. Taking away guns doesn't deter, it makes schools vulnerable.
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Postby The United Brony Armies » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:04 pm

Divair wrote:No.


Why not?
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Postby Divair » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:05 pm

The United Brony Armies wrote:
Divair wrote:No.


Why not?

This is the equivalent of cutting off a leg because it's broken. This does nothing to stop school violence from happening in the first place and it opens up the possibility of guards shooting children (or children shooting themselves, the teachers, or each other after stealing a gun).

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Postby The United Brony Armies » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:07 pm

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The United Brony Armies wrote:
Why not?

This is the equivalent of cutting off a leg because it's broken. This does nothing to stop school violence from happening in the first place and it opens up the possibility of guards shooting children (or children shooting themselves, the teachers, or each other after stealing a gun).


I suggest you read the source before making accusations like "This does nothing to stop it".
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:09 pm

The United Brony Armies wrote:
Divair wrote:This is the equivalent of cutting off a leg because it's broken. This does nothing to stop school violence from happening in the first place and it opens up the possibility of guards shooting children (or children shooting themselves, the teachers, or each other after stealing a gun).


I suggest you read the source before making accusations like "This does nothing to stop it".

You might cite the specific section. The proposal is a little long to require everyone to read it first.
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Postby The balkens » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:10 pm

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Postby Hochste Kaiserreich » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:10 pm

What to do about school shootings?

Nothing. A handful of incidents by mentally ill citizens does not call for a complete change in the way we operate our schools.
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The United Brony Armies wrote:
Divair wrote:This is the equivalent of cutting off a leg because it's broken. This does nothing to stop school violence from happening in the first place and it opens up the possibility of guards shooting children (or children shooting themselves, the teachers, or each other after stealing a gun).


I suggest you read the source before making accusations like "This does nothing to stop it".

I skimmed through it. It addressed none of my points.

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Postby New Connorstantinople » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:12 pm

Yes, guns will find their way into the hands of psychos, and an armed presence is a good means of stopping them.
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Postby Rainbows and Rivers » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:12 pm

Armed guards are a decent idea if your school is in a neighborhood where they're needed and they can be trusted to be responsible. That said, NRA's involvement makes me suspicious.

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Postby Vorkova » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:14 pm

I don't agree with having guns anywhere near schools (Or at all), but it seems like it might work if they hire the right kind of people.
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Postby The United Brony Armies » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:14 pm

Divair wrote:
The United Brony Armies wrote:
I suggest you read the source before making accusations like "This does nothing to stop it".

I skimmed through it. It addressed none of my points.


Page 11:
Finding No. 3: A properly trained armed school officer, such as a school resource
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