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Why does Anti-Semitism exist?

Postby Principality of Sonaco » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:21 pm

No seriously. Why? As a member of the Jewish faith (Conservative Sect) and a victim of Anti-Semitism I can't help but wonder "Why does Anti-Semitism even exista?" It is aproblem me and my synagogue have had numerous debates about (one ending with a Lemon marang pie fight, don't ask). And we have come to one unanimous decision. There is no reason, no logical reason atleast. But maybe it is different from a non-Jewish perspective. What say ye NSG?

My theories are as follows;
  • Jealousy -
    For hundreds of years up until the 1940' we possessed a large amount of wealth, where very successful and well educated. More so then any one in the world. Could it be jealousy or our success tha spawned the Anti-Semitic plague?
  • Ignorance-
    Judaism is often seen as the most secretive and strange of the Abrahamic faiths and our traditions may seem strange to an observer. Perhaps ignorance and confusion of our traditions and practice spawned hate?

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Postby Greater-London » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:21 pm

How about you don't murder the Messiah ...
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Postby Principality of Sonaco » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:22 pm

Greater-London wrote:How about you don't murder the Messiah ...

Did we? Did we really?

EDIT: As we do not recognize him as the messiah your argument is pointless but make your point if you wish.
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Postby Greater-London » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:25 pm

Principality of Sonaco wrote:
Greater-London wrote:How about you don't murder the Messiah ...

Did we? Did we really?


Well I'm pretty sure the Christians believe you did, Matthew 27:24 - 25 His blood be upon us and our children I think that's the root of anti-semetism in the Christian world.
EDIT - the "don't murder the Messiah" was a joke...
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Postby El Kuduro » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:26 pm

Principality of Sonaco wrote:
Greater-London wrote:How about you don't murder the Messiah ...

Did we? Did we really?

EDIT: As we do not recognize him as the messiah your argument is pointless but make your point if you wish.


He was just trolling.

Anti-Semitism exists just like all hatred exists: born out of irrational fear and irrational stereotypes that eventually lead to irrational hatred.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:26 pm

Religion and ethnic nationalism.

Europeans in the past were not very friendly to elements they saw as "foreign" inside their countries, having far different cultural, economic and political disagreements even if worshipping the same God.

The whole thing is complex and open to controversy, but it is not "jealousy" (much less so historically), or else anti-white and anti-Japanese racism would be far greater than Judeophobia, but in fact we third world people respect and aspire to be like them. Except 'Murrica, because we're ebul commies/terrorists.
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Postby Principality of Sonaco » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:26 pm

Greater-London wrote:
Principality of Sonaco wrote:Did we? Did we really?


Well I'm pretty sure the Christians believe you did, Matthew 27:24 - 25 His blood be upon us and our children I think that's the root of anti-semetism in the Christian world.

As we do not recognize him as the messiah we disqualified that argument long ago.
And tell me? DO YOu believe we murdered the messiah?

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Postby Avenio » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:27 pm

Jews were easy targets for medieval polemicism. 'Strange' customs, a successful niche as merchants and bankers in a Catholic society (at least in Europe) that forbade usury and lots of medieval superstition around them was fertile ground.

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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:27 pm

Greater-London wrote:
Principality of Sonaco wrote:Did we? Did we really?


Well I'm pretty sure the Christians believe you did, Matthew 27:24 - 25 His blood be upon us and our children I think that's the root of anti-semetism in the Christian world.
EDIT - the "don't murder the Messiah" was a joke...


I went to a church that - no joke - believed that I was partly responsible for murdering Jesus. I'm a Christian, to clarify.
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Postby Principality of Sonaco » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:28 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Religion and ethnic nationalism.

Europeans in the past were not very friendly to elements they saw as "foreign" inside their countries, having far different cultural, economic and political disagreements even if worshipping the same God.

The whole thing is complex and open to controversy, but it is not "jealousy" (much less so historically), or else anti-white and anti-Japanese racism would be far greater than Judeophobia, but in fact we third world people respect and aspire to be like them. Except 'Murrica, because we're ebul commies/terrorists.

I find your opinion interesting and logical even tnough I do not agree with it.

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:28 pm

Muslims hated pretty much everyone who resisted to them historically, and given their conflicts with many sorted kinds of "infidels", it is of no wonder that Israel did misery to the interfaith relationship of you guys, plus they importing ethnic nationalism of an intellectually European-derived basis only catalyzed the rot.
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Postby Greater-London » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:28 pm

Principality of Sonaco wrote:
Greater-London wrote:
Well I'm pretty sure the Christians believe you did, Matthew 27:24 - 25 His blood be upon us and our children I think that's the root of anti-semetism in the Christian world.

As we do not recognize him as the messiah we disqualified that argument long ago.
And tell me? DO YOu believe we murdered the messiah?


No, not at all. When said that I was joking I'm sorry if you thought that was actually me having a go it wasn't my intention. I do think that is a perspective though which is the root of anti-semetism in the Christian world - the Jewish faith doesn't think Jesus is the son of god, but the Christians do. The "his blood be upon us and our children" quote does incriminate the Jewish people for crucifying Jesus which I think is what started the culture of anti-semetism in the West at least.
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Postby Conservative Conservationists » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:29 pm

Principality of Sonaco wrote:
Greater-London wrote:How about you don't murder the Messiah ...

Did we? Did we really?

EDIT: As we do not recognize him as the messiah your argument is pointless but make your point if you wish.


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Stupidity and the desire to be aggressive to others is disgusting. This is the cause for all types of racist, sexist and discriminatory actions.

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Postby Principality of Sonaco » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:30 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Muslims hated pretty much everyone who resisted to them historically, and given their conflicts with many sorted kinds of "infidels", it is of no wonder that Israel did misery to the interfaith relationship of you guys, plus they importing ethnic nationalism of an intellectually European-derived basis only catalyzed the rot.

Israel is fucked up and a disgrace to Judaism.

I think you all make good points.

@Greater-London:It is fine!

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Postby Tsmida Eri » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:31 pm

Why does hate against any ethnicity, nationality, or race exist? Because people must channel their anger into something, they chose to channel it into hate, and if they want to be ignorant bigots and prejudiced racists, then they should be treated like any common criminal for their stupidity.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:31 pm

Because Jews exist.
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Postby Principality of Sonaco » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:31 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Greater-London wrote:
Well I'm pretty sure the Christians believe you did, Matthew 27:24 - 25 His blood be upon us and our children I think that's the root of anti-semetism in the Christian world.
EDIT - the "don't murder the Messiah" was a joke...


I went to a church that - no joke - believed that I was partly responsible for murdering Jesus. I'm a Christian, to clarify.

And why was that?

I am an Icelandic Jew, born in Be'ersheba, Yishrael. I am just a bit younger than Yishrael itself.

Here is where I stand on Palestine.

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Postby Dasha Kovachevich » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:32 pm

Greater-London wrote:How about you don't murder the Messiah ...


according to Islam, Jesus (PBUH) was never crucified ;)
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Postby New Connorstantinople » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:32 pm

well, if you believe your texts, its because the Jews are God's chosen people, so naturally, a sinful world would persecute them more.
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Postby Principality of Sonaco » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:32 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:Because Jews exist.

I am sorry is that in a hateful way or in a different way?

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Postby Estado Paulista » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:33 pm

Principality of Sonaco wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:Because Jews exist.

I am sorry is that in a hateful way or in a different way?


Oy vey, I was just joking.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:33 pm

Because Jews are different, and we seem to have the view that things that are different are wrong.

This is a view traditionally held by the ignorant.

Maybe it spirals from some escalation of how it was believed that only Jews could loan money, since loaning money was somehow sinful. From there that Jews were sinners, dirty, filth yadda yadda.
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Principality of Sonaco wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Muslims hated pretty much everyone who resisted to them historically, and given their conflicts with many sorted kinds of "infidels", it is of no wonder that Israel did misery to the interfaith relationship of you guys, plus they importing ethnic nationalism of an intellectually European-derived basis only catalyzed the rot.

Israel is fucked up and a disgrace to Judaism.

I think you all make good points.

@Greater-London:It is fine!


Israel is a great country, those who say otherwise are foolish to think so. Israel is doing what it must to defend it's existence, no matter the cost. All countries should follow such an example, to be willing to preserve their own existence no matter what.
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Postby San » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:34 pm

Principality of Sonaco wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:Because Jews exist.

I am sorry is that in a hateful way or in a different way?

antisemitism exists because jews exist just like marmite hatred exist because marmite exists

with anything you're always going to have people who either dislike or don't understand it.
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Postby Principality of Sonaco » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:34 pm

New Connorstantinople wrote:well, if you believe your texts, its because the Jews are God's chosen people, so naturally, a sinful world would persecute them more.

I believe that but I am also a psychologist so I make it my job to dissect why the minf thinks the way it does.

I am an Icelandic Jew, born in Be'ersheba, Yishrael. I am just a bit younger than Yishrael itself.

Here is where I stand on Palestine.

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