Spain, how much time is left?

[Centhe]

Now, in Spain, around a 3% of the citizens want all the autonomous communities of Spain, become independent. This is coupled with nationalism (Catalunya, Euskadi, Valencia...)
Ok. For finishing, here you have a image with the Histoty of Spain (Present, Past and Future)







And the oppresive map now:

[Tundland]

Declinism and a fear of the destruction of long-surviving countries has been popular topic since the 1940s. I give Spain at least 100 year, even with the Catalonian movements.

[Siaos]

I doubt it, Catalunya might break off, but the others probably not.

Also, why did you call the current map "oppressive"? Why is oppressive to have multi-cultural nations? Why do the nations have to be broken apart by ethnicity and minor cultural differences?

[Souseiseki]

I doubt it, Catalunya might break off, but the others probably not.

Also, why did you call the current map "oppressive"? Why is oppressive to have multi-cultural nations? Why do the nations have to be broken apart by ethnicity and minor cultural differences?

because most of the states in europe have a history of oppressing linguistic and cultural minorities

[Trolldonia]

Lol, nationalism.

[Astograth]

What's your point, OP? Besides posting a nonsensical gif that could be applied to any empire ever. The Mongol conquests stretched from the Black Sea to the Pacific and now they're land-locked LOLZ EPIC FAIL.

[Centhe]

I doubt it, Catalunya might break off, but the others probably not.

Also, why did you call the current map "oppressive"? Why is oppressive to have multi-cultural nations? Why do the nations have to be broken apart by ethnicity and minor cultural differences?

It's "oppresive" for the nationalist. When a nation born, they want to be independent. Obviously, they are oppressed by the actual country, who maybe don't recognize the existence of that nation, and, of course, they won't give independence.

[Siaos]

I doubt it, Catalunya might break off, but the others probably not.

Also, why did you call the current map "oppressive"? Why is oppressive to have multi-cultural nations? Why do the nations have to be broken apart by ethnicity and minor cultural differences?

because most of the states in europe have a history of oppressing linguistic and cultural minorities

Yes, but the situation is quite different now. The world(Particularly Europe) is more tolerant than ever, there's just no reason to break up the European nations.

[Siaos]

I doubt it, Catalunya might break off, but the others probably not.

Also, why did you call the current map "oppressive"? Why is oppressive to have multi-cultural nations? Why do the nations have to be broken apart by ethnicity and minor cultural differences?

It's "oppresive" for the nationalist. When a nation born, they want to be independent. Obviously, they are oppressed by the actual country, who maybe don't recognize the existence of that nation, and, of course, they won't give independence.

That's not oppression. If that was oppression, then perhaps we should be creating law-free zones in the middle of countries for the "oppressed" anarchists. Oppression would be refusing to allow people to practice their culture or religion's rituals, discriminating against them, etc.

[Souseiseki]

because most of the states in europe have a history of oppressing linguistic and cultural minorities

Yes, but the situation is quite different now. The world(Particularly Europe) is more tolerant than ever, there's just no reason to break up the European nations.

you say that, but france still refuses to sign the charter on minority languages. spains tills pisses its panties at the thought of a democratic referendum. sure they aren't literally comparing speaking your language to spitting on the ground anymore (though they will tell you it's stupid and useless) but that doesn't mean we should be happy to then cuddle up and pump oil and money into them.

[Souseiseki]

It's "oppresive" for the nationalist. When a nation born, they want to be independent. Obviously, they are oppressed by the actual country, who maybe don't recognize the existence of that nation, and, of course, they won't give independence.

That's not oppression. If that was oppression, then perhaps we should be creating law-free zones in the middle of countries for the "oppressed" anarchists. Oppression would be refusing to allow people to practice their culture or religion's rituals, discriminating against them, etc.

imagine i started beating the shit out of you for speaking english on government orders

welcome to the least 100+ years of life in spain/france/britain

[Centhe]

because most of the states in europe have a history of oppressing linguistic and cultural minorities

Yes, but the situation is quite different now. The world(Particularly Europe) is more tolerant than ever, there's just no reason to break up the European nations.

You're sure? Remember the right-wing nationalists (nazi, franquists, etc). They're violent. See this videos:

http://youtu.be/L_I5C6U9WQw

http://youtu.be/dn1qBZe41AU

And the Guardia Civil... I don't want to start with the "foces of security"

[Divair]

3% is absolutely nothing. There's no risk of Spain breaking up anytime soon.

[Centhe]

3% is absolutely nothing. There's no risk of Spain breaking up anytime soon.

Tiempo al tiempo, who means, wait and see.

[Siaos]

Yes, but the situation is quite different now. The world(Particularly Europe) is more tolerant than ever, there's just no reason to break up the European nations.

1. you say that, but france still refuses to sign the charter on minority languages.

2. Spains tills pisses its panties at the thought of a democratic referendum.

3. Sure they aren't literally comparing speaking your language to spitting on the ground anymore (though they will tell you it's stupid and useless) but that doesn't mean we should be happy to then cuddle up and pump oil and money into them.

1. And why do they need a charter for minority languages to not be oppressive?

2. That's oppressing everyone, not just minorities.

3. So you refuse to pay to taxes to a government which doesn't speak your language? Doesn't that seem a bit arbitrary?

4. If you start creating countries based around ethnic and cultural differences, they are inevitably going to oppress the other minority cultures and ethnicities. That's why its generally a horrible idea.

[Towson]

I doubt it, Catalunya might break off, but the others probably not.

Also, why did you call the current map "oppressive"? Why is oppressive to have multi-cultural nations? Why do the nations have to be broken apart by ethnicity and minor cultural differences?

^This.

[Siaos]

Yes, but the situation is quite different now. The world(Particularly Europe) is more tolerant than ever, there's just no reason to break up the European nations.

You're sure? Remember the right-wing nationalists (nazi, franquists, etc). They're violent. See this videos:

http://youtu.be/L_I5C6U9WQw

http://youtu.be/dn1qBZe41AU

And the Guardia Civil... I don't want to start with the "foces of security"

So what you suggest is to give into these violent nationalists? That's a bad idea if I ever heard one.

[Souseiseki]

1. you say that, but france still refuses to sign the charter on minority languages.

2. Spains tills pisses its panties at the thought of a democratic referendum.

3. Sure they aren't literally comparing speaking your language to spitting on the ground anymore (though they will tell you it's stupid and useless) but that doesn't mean we should be happy to then cuddle up and pump oil and money into them.

1. And why do they need a charter for minority languages to not be oppressive?

2. That's oppressing everyone, not just minorities.

3. So you refuse to pay to taxes to a government which doesn't speak your language? Doesn't that seem a bit arbitrary?

4. If you start creating countries based around ethnic and cultural differences, they are inevitably going to oppress the other minority cultures and ethnicities. That's why its generally a horrible idea.

1. you honestly don't see why a systematic attempt to eliminate minority languages in your country then refusing to sign the charter everyone else has that guarantees the rights of minority languages is not the least bit suspect?

2. more to do with the specific referendums they refuse tbh

3. i would refuse to pay taxes to a government that literally thinks me speaking my native language is equivalent to spitting on the ground and will punish me for doing so, yes. you think that's arbitrary?

4. why aren't we one european nation then?

[Souseiseki]

You're sure? Remember the right-wing nationalists (nazi, franquists, etc). They're violent. See this videos:

http://youtu.be/L_I5C6U9WQw

http://youtu.be/dn1qBZe41AU

And the Guardia Civil... I don't want to start with the "foces of security"

So what you suggest is to give into these violent nationalists? That's a bad idea if I ever heard one.

alex salmond personally smashed my windows in last week. what a dick.

[Pandeeria]

A measly 3%? Please, that's nothing. Spain will not break up in the foreseeable future.

[Trolldonia]

4. why aren't we one european nation then?

We should be. And that's just for starters.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Obviously the only choice is to force assimilate them...¡Viva España, el Reino de Dios!
kidding of course, im not a genocidal maniac

[Astograth]

I could (and indeed would like to) see Catalunya and Euskal Herria as independent nation-states - potentially Galicia as well. As for the rest of the autonomous communities - Asturias, Aragón, even Valencia and especially Andalucía - remaining within the Spanish state seems like too much of a mutual benefit to seriously consider independence.

[Souseiseki]

"Now, in Spain, around a 3% of the citizens want all the autonomous communities of Spain, become independent. This is coupled with nationalism (Catalunya, Euskadi, Valencia...)"

people seriously need to read this over and over again until they understand it. it's 3% all over spain and THEN catalonia/basque country with significantly higher numbers on top of it.

Obviously the only choice is to force assimilate them...¡Viva España, el Reino de Dios!
kidding of course, im not a genocidal maniac

i feel like bringing up "literal fascist (wah wah he wasn't fascist h- go away) dictatorship" is too easy

[Souseiseki]

4. why aren't we one european nation then?

We should be. And that's just for starters.

i'm probably game for that but i still expect catalonia/scotland/etc. to be their own states in eurotopia