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Should Northern Ireland unify with the Republic?

Postby Jamessonia » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:20 pm

As I am roleplaying a Cold War Ireland right now, in my light research I have encountered lots of information on the period called the Troubles. For anyone who doesn't know, this was a period from (mostly) the 1960s to the 1980s. It was a time of paramilitary warfare between the major organizations of the pro-unification Irish Republican Army and the pro-UK Ulster Volunteer Force, along with the British Army. The former wanted the 6 counties of Ulster to join the Republic of Ireland, while the latter two wanted Ulster to stay in the United Kingdom. This was a time of great violence and terrorism in the north of Ireland, most famously Belfast.

In my opinion I think Ireland should be unified. The northern counties were settled by Englishmen Scottish people in the 1600s and dominate the Catholic minority. I have heard people say that within 50 years Ireland will be unified due to a growing feeling that this British domination has gone on long enough. I do not support the actions of the IRA, or any other paramilitary group. What do you think, NS?

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:24 pm

No, the people up North mostly don't want to join the Republic.
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Postby Blazedtown » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:25 pm

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:27 pm

If they want to.

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Postby Benuty » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:27 pm

No..No..No let the people of Northern Ireland have their own choice in the matter. I do not see the tricolor flying over Belfast in the foreseeable or far future for that matter.
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Postby South Asia Minor » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:27 pm

Jamessonia wrote:As I am roleplaying a Cold War Ireland right now, in my light research I have encountered lots of information on the period called the Troubles. For anyone who doesn't know, this was a period from (mostly) the 1960s to the 1980s. It was a time of paramilitary warfare between the major organizations of the pro-unification Irish Republican Army and the pro-UK Ulster Defense Force. The former wanted the 6 counties of Ulster to join the Republic of Ireland, while the latter wanted to stay in the United Kingdom. This was a time of great violence and terrorism in the north of Ireland, most famously Belfast.

In my opinion I think Ireland should be unified. The northern counties were settled by Englishmen in the 1600s and dominate the Catholic minority. I have heard people say that within 50 years Ireland will be unified due to a growing feeling that this British domination has gone on long enough. I do not support the actions of the IRA, or any other paramilitary group. What do you think, NS?

The counties weren't so much settled by Englishmen as they were by Scottish Presbetyrians incentivised by the British crown. It was veritable ethnic cleansing.
There was no "Ulster Defence Force". There was the Ulster Defen>c<e Association anf the Ulster Volunteer Force and a bunch of others, whatever.

I myself support a united Ireland, but realistically Norn Iron is so polarised that it can only lead to more trouble, particularly since there are Republican elements that despise the current Irish state almost as much of the UK.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:29 pm

South Asia Minor wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:As I am roleplaying a Cold War Ireland right now, in my light research I have encountered lots of information on the period called the Troubles. For anyone who doesn't know, this was a period from (mostly) the 1960s to the 1980s. It was a time of paramilitary warfare between the major organizations of the pro-unification Irish Republican Army and the pro-UK Ulster Defense Force. The former wanted the 6 counties of Ulster to join the Republic of Ireland, while the latter wanted to stay in the United Kingdom. This was a time of great violence and terrorism in the north of Ireland, most famously Belfast.

In my opinion I think Ireland should be unified. The northern counties were settled by Englishmen in the 1600s and dominate the Catholic minority. I have heard people say that within 50 years Ireland will be unified due to a growing feeling that this British domination has gone on long enough. I do not support the actions of the IRA, or any other paramilitary group. What do you think, NS?

The counties weren't so much settled by Englishmen as they were by Scottish Presbetyrians incentivised by the British crown. It was veritable ethnic cleansing.
There was no "Ulster Defence Force". There was the Ulster Defen>c<e Association anf the Ulster Volunteer Force and a bunch of others, whatever.

I myself support a united Ireland, but realistically Norn Iron is so polarised that it can only lead to more trouble, particularly since there are Republican elements that despise the current Irish state almost as much of the UK.

Which, if you think about it, is fair play, seeing as how Scotland was settled by Irishmen who were incentivized by seeing there was land to the east that no one was watching.
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Postby South Asia Minor » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:30 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
South Asia Minor wrote:The counties weren't so much settled by Englishmen as they were by Scottish Presbetyrians incentivised by the British crown. It was veritable ethnic cleansing.
There was no "Ulster Defence Force". There was the Ulster Defen>c<e Association anf the Ulster Volunteer Force and a bunch of others, whatever.

I myself support a united Ireland, but realistically Norn Iron is so polarised that it can only lead to more trouble, particularly since there are Republican elements that despise the current Irish state almost as much of the UK.

Which, if you think about it, is fair play, seeing as how Scotland was settled by Irishmen who were incentivized by seeing there was land to the east that no one was watching.

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Postby Aldheim » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:30 pm

If they want to.
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Postby Benuty » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:31 pm

South Asia Minor wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Which, if you think about it, is fair play, seeing as how Scotland was settled by Irishmen who were incentivized by seeing there was land to the east that no one was watching.

Blasted immigrants.


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Postby Ifreann » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:33 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
South Asia Minor wrote:The counties weren't so much settled by Englishmen as they were by Scottish Presbetyrians incentivised by the British crown. It was veritable ethnic cleansing.
There was no "Ulster Defence Force". There was the Ulster Defen>c<e Association anf the Ulster Volunteer Force and a bunch of others, whatever.

I myself support a united Ireland, but realistically Norn Iron is so polarised that it can only lead to more trouble, particularly since there are Republican elements that despise the current Irish state almost as much of the UK.

Which, if you think about it, is fair play, seeing as how Scotland was settled by Irishmen who were incentivized by seeing there was land to the east that no one was watching.

Scotland was asking for it *nods*
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:34 pm

I don't live in Ireland, so it's not exactly something that would make sense for me to have an opinion upon.
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Postby Mkuki » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:34 pm

Only if they desire to leave the United Kingdom. Preferably measured by at least two referendums.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:35 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:I don't live in Ireland, so it's not exactly something that would make sense for me to have an opinion upon.

Really? I tell Americans how to do stuff all the time.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:37 pm

If they want to.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:38 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I don't live in Ireland, so it's not exactly something that would make sense for me to have an opinion upon.

Really? I tell Americans how to do stuff all the time.

Being Irish, you are sort of like a god-king to the millions of Americans who pretend to be, so that makes sense. The other way around its like the little toy soldier telling the commando how to fire an artillery piece.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:38 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Really? I tell Americans how to do stuff all the time.

Being Irish, you are sort of like a god-king to the millions of Americans who pretend to be, so that makes sense. The other way around its like the little toy soldier telling the commando how to fire an artillery piece.

I like this line of reasoning.
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Postby Jamessonia » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:41 pm

South Asia Minor wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:As I am roleplaying a Cold War Ireland right now, in my light research I have encountered lots of information on the period called the Troubles. For anyone who doesn't know, this was a period from (mostly) the 1960s to the 1980s. It was a time of paramilitary warfare between the major organizations of the pro-unification Irish Republican Army and the pro-UK Ulster Defense Force. The former wanted the 6 counties of Ulster to join the Republic of Ireland, while the latter wanted to stay in the United Kingdom. This was a time of great violence and terrorism in the north of Ireland, most famously Belfast.

In my opinion I think Ireland should be unified. The northern counties were settled by Englishmen in the 1600s and dominate the Catholic minority. I have heard people say that within 50 years Ireland will be unified due to a growing feeling that this British domination has gone on long enough. I do not support the actions of the IRA, or any other paramilitary group. What do you think, NS?

The counties weren't so much settled by Englishmen as they were by Scottish Presbetyrians incentivised by the British crown. It was veritable ethnic cleansing.
There was no "Ulster Defence Force". There was the Ulster Defen>c<e Association anf the Ulster Volunteer Force and a bunch of others, whatever.

I myself support a united Ireland, but realistically Norn Iron is so polarised that it can only lead to more trouble, particularly since there are Republican elements that despise the current Irish state almost as much of the UK.

:palm: I mixed UVF with UDF. Sorry, but I am a relative noob with this period of history.
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Postby Armadrone » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:42 pm

northern Ireland should make a choice. Those two choices being the declare Independence and become their own nation or they join back with the rest Ireland. Regardless i'm tired of the Uk control in the Northern Ireland.

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Postby Communist republic of altorus » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:42 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Really? I tell Americans how to do stuff all the time.

Being Irish, you are sort of like a god-king to the millions of Americans who pretend to be, so that makes sense. The other way around its like the little toy soldier telling the commando how to fire an artillery piece.



Why do Americans want to be Irish, their ancestors came to the U.S for a reason.

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Postby Ulster » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:43 pm

No.

Leave us out of it. The IRA didn't persuade us. Just drop it.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:44 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Being Irish, you are sort of like a god-king to the millions of Americans who pretend to be, so that makes sense. The other way around its like the little toy soldier telling the commando how to fire an artillery piece.

I like this line of reasoning.

As you say, God-King of the Plastic Paddies.

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Postby Mkuki » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:45 pm

Armadrone wrote:northern Ireland should make a choice. Those two choices being the declare Independence and become their own nation or they join back with the rest Ireland. Regardless i'm tired of the Uk control in the Northern Ireland.

What if they want to remain a part of the UK?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:45 pm

Communist republic of altorus wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Being Irish, you are sort of like a god-king to the millions of Americans who pretend to be, so that makes sense. The other way around its like the little toy soldier telling the commando how to fire an artillery piece.



Why do Americans want to be Irish, their ancestors came to the U.S for a reason.

I'm not American.

Because of the American version of St. Patrick's Day, where we participate in drunken revelry and proclaim our Irish ancestry. Compared to the rest of our lives, well, our imaginary Ireland of clovers, stout folk in green and beer as far as the eye can see seems pretty fucking great.

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Postby Saor Eireann » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:46 pm

My main ambition in life is to see a new Irish Republic incorporating all 32 counties of this island and the surrounding territorial waters and islands, founded on anti-sectarian social democratic principles, so obviously I would like to see the unification of this island. I don't however wish for the occupied six to be incorporated into the current ROI, and I really believe that a new state must be established. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I'm such a Shinnerbot.
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