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Postby Todd McCloud » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:35 pm

Is it just me, or is the line spacing on NS larger? You know, like the spacing from line of text to line of text. Noticed it a few minutes ago.
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Postby Sichuan Pepper » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:47 pm

*gets worried when admin touches the precious* (reports)

Mine as well Todd.
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Postby [violet] » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:50 pm

IT'S NOT JUST YOU

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Todd McCloud
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Todd McCloud » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:50 pm

Seems to be more or less back to where it was from before now. Huh.
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Postby [violet] » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:52 pm

It went from 1.00 to 1.50 and then back to 1.25 when I realized how huge that looked in Internet Explorer.
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Todd McCloud
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Postby Todd McCloud » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:55 pm

And here I thought the NS main skin was changing or something, lol.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:57 pm

I still get that space between new posts and old posts on IE. Doesn't do that for other browsers.
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Postby [violet] » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:02 pm

Todd McCloud wrote:And here I thought the NS main skin was changing or something, lol.

I don't want you to get SUPER EXCITED or anything but it's a stylesheet update for the new TG system.

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Postby SkyDip » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:02 pm

[violet] wrote:
Todd McCloud wrote:And here I thought the NS main skin was changing or something, lol.

I don't want you to get SUPER EXCITED or anything but it's a stylesheet update for the new TG system.

*flails*
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Postby A Classless Society » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:30 am

People still use IE? :palm:

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Postby San Leggera » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:34 am

[violet] wrote:
Todd McCloud wrote:And here I thought the NS main skin was changing or something, lol.

I don't want you to get SUPER EXCITED or anything but it's a stylesheet update for the new TG system.

*Party popper noise*
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Postby Defensor » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:34 am

A Classless Society wrote:People still use IE? :palm:

That's what I was wondering 8)
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I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

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Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

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How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

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Postby Mayane » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:41 am

Defensor wrote:
A Classless Society wrote:People still use IE? :palm:

That's what I was wondering 8)

I use it at home, I have used it at home for more then 10 years now.
I don't know why people always whine about IE, it is perfectly fine.

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Postby Dagnia » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:44 am

I never noticed anything. Did this all happen in the last few days, going from 1.00 to 1.50 and 1.25?

A Classless Society wrote:People still use IE? :palm:


Meh, it's not too much worse than most of the other browsers. I don't even use a Microsoft OS on my Laptop, so it's not an option for me. However, my university has Windows computers, and when given the choice between Explorer, Chrome and Firefox, I would choose Explorer on those since Firefox could be so slow (until a pretty recent update) and I don't trust a Google browser to not record every web page I visit to know what kind of spam I should get in my mail.
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Postby Defensor » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:46 am

Mayane wrote:
Defensor wrote:That's what I was wondering 8)

I use it at home, I have used it at home for more then 10 years now.
I don't know why people always whine about IE, it is perfectly fine.

Yeah, I mean, a 1993 Toyota Camery works just fine too. But wouldn't you rather a 2012 Mazda 6? Or maybe a 2010 Audi A4? How about a new 2013 Jeep Wrangler? Or perhaps a 2011 Dodge Ram? Yeah...that's the comparison...
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Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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Postby [violet] » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:54 am

Mayane wrote:I don't know why people always whine about IE, it is perfectly fine.

If you're a web developer, you grow to hate it because your site looks fine in every other browser but requires lots of special attention to work properly in IE. Some things just won't work in IE, so rather than offer up a feature that's broken for some users, you don't offer it at all. It's the lowest common denominator of browsers.

If you're a user, I agree that IE is fine as a browser. But it's only fine because people like me spend a lot of time working around its bugs, and the web would be better if it would just go away.

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Postby The Great Human Empire » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:58 am

Defensor wrote:
Mayane wrote:I use it at home, I have used it at home for more then 10 years now.
I don't know why people always whine about IE, it is perfectly fine.

Yeah, I mean, a 1993 Toyota Camery works just fine too. But wouldn't you rather a 2012 Mazda 6? Or maybe a 2010 Audi A4? How about a new 2013 Jeep Wrangler? Or perhaps a 2011 Dodge Ram? Yeah...that's the comparison...



Personally I'd rather have a badass '76 Camaro.

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Postby Defensor » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:59 am

[violet] wrote:
Mayane wrote:I don't know why people always whine about IE, it is perfectly fine.

If you're a web developer, you grow to hate it because your site looks fine in every other browser but requires lots of special attention to work properly in IE. Some things just won't work in IE, so rather than offer up a feature that's broken for some users, you don't offer it at all. It's the lowest common denominator of browsers.

If you're a user, I agree that IE is fine as a browser. But it's only fine because people like me spend a lot of time working around its bugs, and the web would be better if it would just go away.

+1

This and a dozen other reason's I could compile why IE is, even today, a relic of Microsoft's inability to adapt to modern coding and software intergration. They always have to do things their way. Not to mention IE's code hasn't changed much since XP came out :o
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Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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Postby Defensor » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:00 am

The Great Human Empire wrote:
Defensor wrote:Yeah, I mean, a 1993 Toyota Camery works just fine too. But wouldn't you rather a 2012 Mazda 6? Or maybe a 2010 Audi A4? How about a new 2013 Jeep Wrangler? Or perhaps a 2011 Dodge Ram? Yeah...that's the comparison...



Personally I'd rather have a badass '76 Camaro.

You've found a flaw in my comparison...

*pulls out handgun*
I get on NS when I'm bored. TG's are welcomed and replied to!
Spreewerke wrote:
Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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The Great Human Empire
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Postby The Great Human Empire » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:03 am

Defensor wrote:
The Great Human Empire wrote:

Personally I'd rather have a badass '76 Camaro.

You've found a flaw in my comparison...

*pulls out handgun*



I will do what cleverbot does in situations like this

*pulls out AC-130*

But before mod gets mad, I will use IE when I need to.

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Postby Defensor » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:05 am

The Great Human Empire wrote:
Defensor wrote:You've found a flaw in my comparison...

*pulls out handgun*



I will do what cleverbot does in situations like this

*pulls out AC-130*

But before mod gets mad, I will use IE when I need to.

Alright, I get it.

*Yeah...yeah I'm gonna need those Raptors here ASAP...*
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I get on NS when I'm bored. TG's are welcomed and replied to!
Spreewerke wrote:
Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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Postby Lordieth » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:01 am

Mayane wrote:
Defensor wrote:That's what I was wondering 8)

I use it at home, I have used it at home for more then 10 years now.
I don't know why people always whine about IE, it is perfectly fine.


It's one of the worst standard-compliant web browsers out there. It works because developers spend waste a great deal of time making sure their code works specifically in Internet Explorer browsers. The only reason most sites look perfectly fine is because of all the "fixes" web designers have to use to make their layouts work in Internet Explorer.

One of the foundations of CSS (web styling) is what's called the "Box Model", where every element is treated as if it sits inside its own box. Internet Explorer can't even get this right. It can't even do basic math in this respect. It is awful.

The world of web design would be a better place without IE.
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Postby Scoochi2 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:29 am

Personally, I'm a fan of making good pages as they should be.

And then I check it out on IE. And then I think it looks terrible. But I leave it as it is, and encourage my visitors to use a proper browser if they want to see things properly :)

...except when I get paid. In that case, I have to make a separate style sheet for IE :eyebrow: Which I don't make as good as the original.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:04 am

Oh, this is the IE complaint thread.

Yes, IE was horrible. Especially when IE6 was still in use a lot around the world (now mostly in China still http://www.ie6countdown.com/ ). It's getting slightly better though with the newer versions like 9.

At my work we tend to develop with Chrome and Firefox and only after that works correctly we see what kind of changes we need to make it fit in a modern version of IE.
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Postby [violet] » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:17 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:Oh, this is the IE complaint thread. [...] It's getting slightly better though with the newer versions like 9.

It gets better with every version, but that's not saying much. Take favicons, for example. Every other browser supports PNGs except IE, which only supports the ancient .ico format. Not even IE10 supports PNGs. Historically you could work around this by using conditional comments to supply an .ico to IE and a PNG to everyone else, but IE10 doesn't support conditional comments, either. So you have to give everyone the lowest common denominator experience (.ico) or else spend lots of time weaving hackery magic to detect and work around IE.

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